Some fisheries are imposing a rule of 3oz maximum on their lakes, even though long range casting may be required. It doesn't make sense to me.
Or, am I missing something?
Or, am I missing something?
In reply to Post #1
Heavier the lead the higher the chance of cracking off maybe. If they impose a minimum line diameter ect the chances are reduced further but this assumes anglers can tie knots properly.
Heavier the lead the higher the chance of cracking off maybe. If they impose a minimum line diameter ect the chances are reduced further but this assumes anglers can tie knots properly.
In reply to Post #1
Try my club lakes mate max 1oz but a 1oz unloaded method feeder is fine lol some fisheries and clubs just put rules in for the sake of it
Try my club lakes mate max 1oz but a 1oz unloaded method feeder is fine lol some fisheries and clubs just put rules in for the sake of it
In reply to Post #1
Some try and make a safe area for the fish
some don't like there fish getting caught
and theres so many doughnuts about 2
Some try and make a safe area for the fish
some don't like there fish getting caught
and theres so many doughnuts about 2
In reply to Post #2
“Heavy casting weight causes crack offs” Yeah, I've heard that theory before, but I don't buy it, tbh.
The main reason for crack offs is line twist. But, that's easily remedied.
But, some of these rules make no sense at all. Look at Grenville as an example: 72 acres, depths up to 38 feet, so loads of undertow, and yet, the maximum weight allowed is 3oz. Just doesn't make sense.
“Heavy casting weight causes crack offs” Yeah, I've heard that theory before, but I don't buy it, tbh.
The main reason for crack offs is line twist. But, that's easily remedied.
But, some of these rules make no sense at all. Look at Grenville as an example: 72 acres, depths up to 38 feet, so loads of undertow, and yet, the maximum weight allowed is 3oz. Just doesn't make sense.
In reply to Post #3
1oz??? 😂 bonkers
1oz??? 😂 bonkers
In reply to Post #5
Doesnt he feed them right in the center of the lake? Probably just doesnt want them getting caught.
Im sure more than one person has a 4oz lead mould with a 3 stamped in it.
Doesnt he feed them right in the center of the lake? Probably just doesnt want them getting caught.
Im sure more than one person has a 4oz lead mould with a 3 stamped in it.
In reply to Post #7
He does, yeah. Pellets are banned, but he feeds the fish with pellets and not only that, in the middle of the lake out of casting range.
The members are absolute mugs for fishing at Grenville imho
He does, yeah. Pellets are banned, but he feeds the fish with pellets and not only that, in the middle of the lake out of casting range.
The members are absolute mugs for fishing at Grenville imho
In reply to Post #5
So you would happily use a casting rod with 8lb line straight through and 4oz lead? What I was saying the rod, line and weight need to be appropriate for the situation.
So you would happily use a casting rod with 8lb line straight through and 4oz lead? What I was saying the rod, line and weight need to be appropriate for the situation.
In reply to Post #9
No, I didn't say that at all. It seems you're deliberately twisting my words, there, fella.
It's pretty obvious that carp fishery managers know anglers are using monofilament line that's a minimum of 0.35mm. That they're using big pit reels and powerful rods on large deep lakes, which cause a lot of undertow and may require long range casting. And yet, some of them impose a maximum casting weight of 3oz on carp fishing gear
No, I didn't say that at all. It seems you're deliberately twisting my words, there, fella.
It's pretty obvious that carp fishery managers know anglers are using monofilament line that's a minimum of 0.35mm. That they're using big pit reels and powerful rods on large deep lakes, which cause a lot of undertow and may require long range casting. And yet, some of them impose a maximum casting weight of 3oz on carp fishing gear
In reply to Post #10
Not twisting your words, you said said heavy casting weights were not causing crackoffs you don't buy it. There are are many factors causing crack off but weight to line bs is definitely a factor, hence the use of shock leaders.
Not twisting your words, you said said heavy casting weights were not causing crackoffs you don't buy it. There are are many factors causing crack off but weight to line bs is definitely a factor, hence the use of shock leaders.
In reply to Post #11
Yeah, on a typical carp set up. Who's gonna be dumb enough to use a 4oz lead on 8lb line??? So, yeah, you are twisting my words for the sake of arguing.
A 4oz lead isn't gonna cause a crack off on line the thickness of 0.37mm, or even 0.35mm. If it's gonna crack off it'll end be because of line twist.
Yeah, on a typical carp set up. Who's gonna be dumb enough to use a 4oz lead on 8lb line??? So, yeah, you are twisting my words for the sake of arguing.
A 4oz lead isn't gonna cause a crack off on line the thickness of 0.37mm, or even 0.35mm. If it's gonna crack off it'll end be because of line twist.
In reply to Post #12
Think we will have to agree to disagree on that, I've been casting level line on various distance rods over the last two years mainly with. 37 syncro xt and found with the infinity slr 3.5oz OK but step up to 4oz and could crack off fairly easily. Hence why I was saying about balancing rod, line and weight.
Think we will have to agree to disagree on that, I've been casting level line on various distance rods over the last two years mainly with. 37 syncro xt and found with the infinity slr 3.5oz OK but step up to 4oz and could crack off fairly easily. Hence why I was saying about balancing rod, line and weight.
In reply to Post #13
Well, we've gone completely away from what I asked at the start of this thread. However, it is important to use balanced tackle.
I naturally assumed, that as this is a carp forum and we are talking about large lakes, like Grenville, that are banning the use of leads above 3oz and yet, require long range casting with a minimum of 0.35mm monofilament. But, I didn't think I needed to explain that.
What is it that long range casters advise? Use the thinnest line you can get away with, like 0.31, or 0.33, and then use a shock leader.
But, a lot of fisheries have banned shock leaders, so you have to level line cast with an absolute minimum of 0.35mm.
You've acknowledged that you're using 3.5oz leads, and just that additional half an ounce in weight can make a massive difference to gaining those extra few yards.
But, if you are cracking off with a 4oz lead on 0.37mm, then, there's something wrong with the line. Either it's damaged, or it's line twist. I know that syncro xt 0.37mm has a break strain of around 22lb. You're not gonna crack that off with a 4oz lead.
Well, we've gone completely away from what I asked at the start of this thread. However, it is important to use balanced tackle.
I naturally assumed, that as this is a carp forum and we are talking about large lakes, like Grenville, that are banning the use of leads above 3oz and yet, require long range casting with a minimum of 0.35mm monofilament. But, I didn't think I needed to explain that.
What is it that long range casters advise? Use the thinnest line you can get away with, like 0.31, or 0.33, and then use a shock leader.
But, a lot of fisheries have banned shock leaders, so you have to level line cast with an absolute minimum of 0.35mm.
You've acknowledged that you're using 3.5oz leads, and just that additional half an ounce in weight can make a massive difference to gaining those extra few yards.
But, if you are cracking off with a 4oz lead on 0.37mm, then, there's something wrong with the line. Either it's damaged, or it's line twist. I know that syncro xt 0.37mm has a break strain of around 22lb. You're not gonna crack that off with a 4oz lead.
In reply to Post #14
Yes you can ask Terry Edmunds, he can easily crack off .35 and .37 line with a 4 oz lead
I watched him do it and can guarantee there was no line twist or other damage
In fact he cracked off .35 with a 3.25 oz lead and he didnt give it the beans
I then cast 154 yards 3 times with the exact same rod reel and line
Yes you can ask Terry Edmunds, he can easily crack off .35 and .37 line with a 4 oz lead
I watched him do it and can guarantee there was no line twist or other damage
In fact he cracked off .35 with a 3.25 oz lead and he didnt give it the beans
I then cast 154 yards 3 times with the exact same rod reel and line
In reply to Post #15
Same as me, I'm not tell but used to do the tournament back in my beach casting days, should also say those rods were 13ft 4.25tc. Didn't realise the venue or size at my first post but must say blank manufacturers are trying to develop blanks for level line distance casting.
Same as me, I'm not tell but used to do the tournament back in my beach casting days, should also say those rods were 13ft 4.25tc. Didn't realise the venue or size at my first post but must say blank manufacturers are trying to develop blanks for level line distance casting.
In reply to Post #15
You cast 154 yards with the same rod reel and line.
What range did Terry Edmonds crack off at, 200yds plus? You say he didn't give it the beans, but you cast 154 yards and if that's not giving it the beans, I don't know what is.
You cast 154 yards with the same rod reel and line.
What range did Terry Edmonds crack off at, 200yds plus? You say he didn't give it the beans, but you cast 154 yards and if that's not giving it the beans, I don't know what is.
In reply to Post #16
How many anglers, apart from the likes of Terry, are casting tournament range distances?
The absolute maximum that can be cast by most anglers is 130 yards, unless they've had tuition.
How many anglers, apart from the likes of Terry, are casting tournament range distances?
The absolute maximum that can be cast by most anglers is 130 yards, unless they've had tuition.
In reply to Post #17
One guys giving it the beans is very different from a professional casters.
One guys giving it the beans is very different from a professional casters.
In reply to Post #18
Many have had tuition and even more have watched videos and filmed themselves practicing.
Many have had tuition and even more have watched videos and filmed themselves practicing.
In reply to Post #19
My point exactly. Terry Edmonds is a tournament caster. He's capable of cracking off with 0.37mm, because he's capable of casting 200 yards plus. I can't do that. Furthest I've ever cast was just over 160 yards. But, that was years ago. I can't get anywhere near that now and most anglers out there can't either.
It doesn't make any sense to limit the weight of a lead when the vast majority don't have the ability to cast those extreme ranges.
I remember when 90 yards was classed as extreme
My point exactly. Terry Edmonds is a tournament caster. He's capable of cracking off with 0.37mm, because he's capable of casting 200 yards plus. I can't do that. Furthest I've ever cast was just over 160 yards. But, that was years ago. I can't get anywhere near that now and most anglers out there can't either.
It doesn't make any sense to limit the weight of a lead when the vast majority don't have the ability to cast those extreme ranges.
I remember when 90 yards was classed as extreme
In reply to Post #21
Agree limiting the weight on a distance venue will make it hard but maybe that's what the owner wants, can only imagine if the fish are out of range and not getting caught people will eventually go else ware.
Agree limiting the weight on a distance venue will make it hard but maybe that's what the owner wants, can only imagine if the fish are out of range and not getting caught people will eventually go else ware.
In reply to Post #22
Yeah, it can only be to the owners benefit. But, having said that, you'd think he'd want his membership to have a better chance of catching fish.
Yeah, it can only be to the owners benefit. But, having said that, you'd think he'd want his membership to have a better chance of catching fish.
In reply to Post #17
The point is you said you can't crack off .35 or .37 unless there's something wrong with the line
I have seen evidence that that's not the case
And how would you know how far you'd cast if you crack off ?
Terry didn't give it the beans cos he knew there was a risk of cracking off with no leader.
So I'm talking about Terry's beans here, shortly after cracking off with my level line set up he cast his 214 yards. (Measured)
my set up was a Shimano TX9 13ft Intensity with Shimano Ultegra Ci4 reel
The point is you said you can't crack off .35 or .37 unless there's something wrong with the line
I have seen evidence that that's not the case
And how would you know how far you'd cast if you crack off ?
Terry didn't give it the beans cos he knew there was a risk of cracking off with no leader.
So I'm talking about Terry's beans here, shortly after cracking off with my level line set up he cast his 214 yards. (Measured)
my set up was a Shimano TX9 13ft Intensity with Shimano Ultegra Ci4 reel
In reply to Post #24
The point is, I said you can't crack off with 0.37mm under normal circumstances. I don't know why I have to be so damned specific!! It seems to me there are certain bods on this forum that want to argue for the sake of it.
Are you Terry Edmonds? No. And the overwhelming majority of the anglers out there aren't either.
If there's nothing wrong with the line, like damage, or line twist, you won't crack off 0.37mm...unless of course you're casting extreme ranges of over 200 yards. Apart from a select few, there aren't that many capable of casting those ranges
The point is, I said you can't crack off with 0.37mm under normal circumstances. I don't know why I have to be so damned specific!! It seems to me there are certain bods on this forum that want to argue for the sake of it.
Are you Terry Edmonds? No. And the overwhelming majority of the anglers out there aren't either.
If there's nothing wrong with the line, like damage, or line twist, you won't crack off 0.37mm...unless of course you're casting extreme ranges of over 200 yards. Apart from a select few, there aren't that many capable of casting those ranges
In reply to Post #25
0.37 line, I can easily crack off with that, I'm no expert I just know what I know
0.37 line, I can easily crack off with that, I'm no expert I just know what I know
In reply to Post #25
In reply to Post #27
Then, there was something wrong with the line, simple. 😂
I know what I know.
I used to work in factory that manufactures monofilament. The main reasons are for a line like 0.37mm to crack off are: line twist and line damage. Or, in very rare cases where the angler is casting at extreme ranges, (which most aren't capable of) and/or with a weight that's too heavy for the line. And 4oz isn't too heavy for 0.37mm.
That's not line fault, that's the angler's fault.
Then, there was something wrong with the line, simple. 😂
I know what I know.
I used to work in factory that manufactures monofilament. The main reasons are for a line like 0.37mm to crack off are: line twist and line damage. Or, in very rare cases where the angler is casting at extreme ranges, (which most aren't capable of) and/or with a weight that's too heavy for the line. And 4oz isn't too heavy for 0.37mm.
That's not line fault, that's the angler's fault.
In reply to Post #25
Perhaps you should re-read what you put before you start accusing others of being argumentative
You seem to be very opinionated and unaccepting of anyone's else's opinion.
No mention of normal circumstances you stated it as fact
But, if you are cracking off with a 4oz lead on 0.37mm, then, there's something wrong with the line. Either it's damaged, or it's line twist. I know that syncro xt 0.37mm has a break strain of around 22lb. You're not gonna crack that off with a 4oz lead.
Perhaps you should re-read what you put before you start accusing others of being argumentative
You seem to be very opinionated and unaccepting of anyone's else's opinion.
No mention of normal circumstances you stated it as fact
But, if you are cracking off with a 4oz lead on 0.37mm, then, there's something wrong with the line. Either it's damaged, or it's line twist. I know that syncro xt 0.37mm has a break strain of around 22lb. You're not gonna crack that off with a 4oz lead.
In reply to Post #29
And what's wrong with that statement?
The point I've made at the very start is, a 3oz lead is way too light a lead to use on a large lake that may require casting at range. There are times when that extra bit of weight is required to reach a baited area.
It was put to me, that maybe it's because a heavier lead would cause a crack off. But, after 30 odd years of carp fishing and working with monofilament line, I know that crack offs are mostly caused by line twist and line damage. If an angler is unbalanced tackle, that is the fault of the angler. If that makes me opinionated, oh well.
0.37mm should be bomb proof. You'd have to do something very wrong to make it crack off
Terry Edmonds probably showed you what not to do. I don't know, I wasn't there.
And what's wrong with that statement?
The point I've made at the very start is, a 3oz lead is way too light a lead to use on a large lake that may require casting at range. There are times when that extra bit of weight is required to reach a baited area.
It was put to me, that maybe it's because a heavier lead would cause a crack off. But, after 30 odd years of carp fishing and working with monofilament line, I know that crack offs are mostly caused by line twist and line damage. If an angler is unbalanced tackle, that is the fault of the angler. If that makes me opinionated, oh well.
0.37mm should be bomb proof. You'd have to do something very wrong to make it crack off
Terry Edmonds probably showed you what not to do. I don't know, I wasn't there.
In reply to Post #28
Fact is in beach and tournament casting the accepted rule was 10lb breaking strain of line for every ounce being cast, in my days the accepted leader for the 150gram with class was 50lb stren but this has I believe increased now. But I can tell you that 0.37 xt undamaged can be snapped on the cast fairly easily with a modern fast taper powerful 13ft rod as the stretch in the line can be taken out farely early in the cast but this is far more difficult with a more progressive through action.
Fact is in beach and tournament casting the accepted rule was 10lb breaking strain of line for every ounce being cast, in my days the accepted leader for the 150gram with class was 50lb stren but this has I believe increased now. But I can tell you that 0.37 xt undamaged can be snapped on the cast fairly easily with a modern fast taper powerful 13ft rod as the stretch in the line can be taken out farely early in the cast but this is far more difficult with a more progressive through action.
In reply to Post #28
We are here to learn
We are here to learn
In reply to Post #28
In reply to Post #31
Yeah, I see what you're saying.
About 30 years ago, if you were using 11lb sylcast, you were using tow rope! I bought 13lb sylcast by accident, and an old dog of a carp angler berated me for my stupidity. Back then no one used anything heavier as it was strictly sea fishing territory.
But, monofilament technology has really come a long way. Daiwa Sensor and Berkeley Big Game are springy as hell, and were notorious for line twist and crack offs; especially if you forgot to walk your line out before casting back out.
ESP had another line, it was gold in colour and that was terrible.
These newer lines have been made with their polymers closer together, giving extra strength and less spring/stretch. They cast a lot better now.
The likes of Sensor and Big Game were found out when casting beyond 90 yards, or when coping with heavy weed. They're still good lines, and will do a job. But, today's lines are a lot better.
Yeah, I see what you're saying.
About 30 years ago, if you were using 11lb sylcast, you were using tow rope! I bought 13lb sylcast by accident, and an old dog of a carp angler berated me for my stupidity. Back then no one used anything heavier as it was strictly sea fishing territory.
But, monofilament technology has really come a long way. Daiwa Sensor and Berkeley Big Game are springy as hell, and were notorious for line twist and crack offs; especially if you forgot to walk your line out before casting back out.
ESP had another line, it was gold in colour and that was terrible.
These newer lines have been made with their polymers closer together, giving extra strength and less spring/stretch. They cast a lot better now.
The likes of Sensor and Big Game were found out when casting beyond 90 yards, or when coping with heavy weed. They're still good lines, and will do a job. But, today's lines are a lot better.
In reply to Post #32
I'm still learning, mate. That's what makes carp fishing so good
I'm still learning, mate. That's what makes carp fishing so good
In reply to Post #35
If you get the opportunity go to a uksf casting tournament and get as close to the casters as possible especially if Danny moeskops is there, its frightening how much power and speed that man can put into a rod blank and I can remember when he arrived on the scene and was snapping century Rods on a fairly regular basis.
If you get the opportunity go to a uksf casting tournament and get as close to the casters as possible especially if Danny moeskops is there, its frightening how much power and speed that man can put into a rod blank and I can remember when he arrived on the scene and was snapping century Rods on a fairly regular basis.
In reply to Post #36
Yeah, these tournament casters are scary 😂
I saw Mark Hutchinson casting on Bradleys lake about 12 years ago and he was putting a bend in a rod that really should've destroyed it.
I came across this guide and it shows how using a 120g lead, which is just above 4oz the minimum line to use is 0.35mm. It's only a guide, but shows that what I was saying earlier, that 0.35mm can cope with a 4oz lead no problem, and 0.37mm shouldn't even be an issue.
It's really surprising how even just one cast, especially with lead clips and leaders can screw up your line, no matter how good it is. If someone crack off, 99.99% of the time, it's because they've done something wrong.
http://sportdemo03.24.testsider.dk/log/pdf/ddbait-download-158.pdf
Yeah, these tournament casters are scary 😂
I saw Mark Hutchinson casting on Bradleys lake about 12 years ago and he was putting a bend in a rod that really should've destroyed it.
I came across this guide and it shows how using a 120g lead, which is just above 4oz the minimum line to use is 0.35mm. It's only a guide, but shows that what I was saying earlier, that 0.35mm can cope with a 4oz lead no problem, and 0.37mm shouldn't even be an issue.
It's really surprising how even just one cast, especially with lead clips and leaders can screw up your line, no matter how good it is. If someone crack off, 99.99% of the time, it's because they've done something wrong.
http://sportdemo03.24.testsider.dk/log/pdf/ddbait-download-158.pdf
In reply to Post #37
Believe me, I'm not tall or a major caster but I've cracked off .35/7mm lines, to say it's impossible without damaged line is ridiculous. It's not other members being argumentative, it's you mate.
The reason leaders are banned is usually because of tethering fish if you're cut off, it's a decent rule.
I should imagine that lead size is limited to reduce crack offs, if the leaders are banned. If you crack off, you're leaving a live rig in the water so it's a knock on effected in regard to the rules.
People talking of Grenvilles owner feeding them out of range so they're not caught... they'll be fed out of range so that no swim or area of the lake becomes the banker spot. Look at the head of fish in there and how many get caught, because he lumps bait out in the middle isn't having any dramatic effect on the fishing. The guys fishing there are fishing there an abnormally, unnaturally stocked and fed lake to catch huge fish, they can't moan about those fish being fed, otherwise they just wouldn't be the size they are. Double edged sword.
Believe me, I'm not tall or a major caster but I've cracked off .35/7mm lines, to say it's impossible without damaged line is ridiculous. It's not other members being argumentative, it's you mate.
The reason leaders are banned is usually because of tethering fish if you're cut off, it's a decent rule.
I should imagine that lead size is limited to reduce crack offs, if the leaders are banned. If you crack off, you're leaving a live rig in the water so it's a knock on effected in regard to the rules.
People talking of Grenvilles owner feeding them out of range so they're not caught... they'll be fed out of range so that no swim or area of the lake becomes the banker spot. Look at the head of fish in there and how many get caught, because he lumps bait out in the middle isn't having any dramatic effect on the fishing. The guys fishing there are fishing there an abnormally, unnaturally stocked and fed lake to catch huge fish, they can't moan about those fish being fed, otherwise they just wouldn't be the size they are. Double edged sword.
In reply to Post #38
Call me argumentative if you like, mate. But, the fact of the matter is, if you've cracked off with 0.37mm it's because you've screwed up, simple as. It's either line twist, or line damage, which as an angler you can sort out.
It's not the product's fault, it's yours
Call me argumentative if you like, mate. But, the fact of the matter is, if you've cracked off with 0.37mm it's because you've screwed up, simple as. It's either line twist, or line damage, which as an angler you can sort out.
It's not the product's fault, it's yours
It's just science.
F = MA
Most carp anglers are terrible casters. So the “A” is low, If a fishery owner reduces the “M” then crack-offs become very much less likely.
They could keep the”M” the same and increase line strength or diameter of line but that increases the risks of tethering.
F = MA
Most carp anglers are terrible casters. So the “A” is low, If a fishery owner reduces the “M” then crack-offs become very much less likely.
They could keep the”M” the same and increase line strength or diameter of line but that increases the risks of tethering.
In reply to Post #40
Really?
It's too hot mate 😂
Really?
It's too hot mate 😂
In reply to Post #28
The convenience of you ‘working in a factory' reminds me of the chap who backed himself into a similar corner and suddenly had been competitive casting and tutoring since 1912
The convenience of you ‘working in a factory' reminds me of the chap who backed himself into a similar corner and suddenly had been competitive casting and tutoring since 1912
In reply to Post #39
Er No! Damage may have occurred but it is not always the case.
I check my line, as I put it on the spool and regularly during and after sessions. I don't get line twist as I don't play fish off the clutch and allow massive amounts of line out on the baitrunner.
I have been known to crack off 0.40mm mono with a big cast.
The very reason I used 40/50lb Drennan Greased Weasel or 30lb Amnesia as a shockleader for long distance casting.
I remember Rob Maylin was using 4oz leads for casting on a lake, BUT, from memory there was no long distances involved.
I think as with everything in a lead size limit we are looking at the idiot factor.
You really do not want somebody trying to blast a big lead a long way, that simple.
Er No! Damage may have occurred but it is not always the case.
I check my line, as I put it on the spool and regularly during and after sessions. I don't get line twist as I don't play fish off the clutch and allow massive amounts of line out on the baitrunner.
I have been known to crack off 0.40mm mono with a big cast.
The very reason I used 40/50lb Drennan Greased Weasel or 30lb Amnesia as a shockleader for long distance casting.
I remember Rob Maylin was using 4oz leads for casting on a lake, BUT, from memory there was no long distances involved.
I think as with everything in a lead size limit we are looking at the idiot factor.
You really do not want somebody trying to blast a big lead a long way, that simple.
In reply to Post #38
He's only been on here 8 weeks and already telling everyone they are wrong and he's right on just about every thread he's posted
Don't think he's going to last long
He's only been on here 8 weeks and already telling everyone they are wrong and he's right on just about every thread he's posted
Don't think he's going to last long
In reply to Post #43
Don't bother trying to get through to him Nick he won't listen and thinks he's knows best
Don't bother trying to get through to him Nick he won't listen and thinks he's knows best
In reply to Post #43
It was at range on Harefield, and he was using “old tow rope” as mainline due to the cutoffs.
Remember - this was the 80's before 3lb+ test rods and “big” big pits. And he (as well as a few others) was still able to hit the middle area's, which is a big chuck......
The other thing to remember when fishing straight through is line stretch - you are better fishing a .35 “stretchy” mono when going for a big cast than a .40 low stretch one. It's all about that initial compression/load/shock on the line, once the lead is past the rod tip it doesn't matter.
It was at range on Harefield, and he was using “old tow rope” as mainline due to the cutoffs.
Remember - this was the 80's before 3lb+ test rods and “big” big pits. And he (as well as a few others) was still able to hit the middle area's, which is a big chuck......
The other thing to remember when fishing straight through is line stretch - you are better fishing a .35 “stretchy” mono when going for a big cast than a .40 low stretch one. It's all about that initial compression/load/shock on the line, once the lead is past the rod tip it doesn't matter.
In reply to Post #44
Yeah, you're right, mate. I'm not gonna last long. I'll take it as a compliment that you've felt the need to check how long I've been on the forum! 😂
So, with that, I'll leave you guys to it and just stay away from the forum.
I'll go back to my imaginary monofilament factory to make strimmer line
Yeah, you're right, mate. I'm not gonna last long. I'll take it as a compliment that you've felt the need to check how long I've been on the forum! 😂
So, with that, I'll leave you guys to it and just stay away from the forum.
I'll go back to my imaginary monofilament factory to make strimmer line
In reply to Post #47
That's the spirit
That's the spirit
You bunch of bullies,another new member you have driven out with your pitchforks,bloody terrible behaviour 
In reply to Post #7
Been a member a number of years and never seen the owner purposely baiting the middle, he will bait from a boat to your marker float as long as its not too choppy. In fact if you watch paul on his morning walk round the lake he baits with chops in most corners by throwing out by hand! not quite the baiting the middle as is presumed by a number of anglers who probably have never fished Grenville before. 75% of the carp I caught from there last year were caught at thirty yards or less.
Michael
Been a member a number of years and never seen the owner purposely baiting the middle, he will bait from a boat to your marker float as long as its not too choppy. In fact if you watch paul on his morning walk round the lake he baits with chops in most corners by throwing out by hand! not quite the baiting the middle as is presumed by a number of anglers who probably have never fished Grenville before. 75% of the carp I caught from there last year were caught at thirty yards or less.
Michael
In reply to Post #8
Thanks for your opinon, have you ever fished Grenville or set foot on the place?
Mugs?
takes one to know one jog on
Thanks for your opinon, have you ever fished Grenville or set foot on the place?
Mugs?
takes one to know one jog on
In reply to Post #51
surprising how many people seem to know about Grenvilles but spout a load of rubbish
must be fuelled by jealousy I reckon
surprising how many people seem to know about Grenvilles but spout a load of rubbish
must be fuelled by jealousy I reckon
I've only come across this rule once and it was a 2.5 oz limit.
The reason was there were a lot of swan mussels in the venue and they wanted to cut down the amount of line being left in the venue when people were getting cut off by reducing casting distances. They drained down every other year so were aware of how bad the problem was.
I'm not sure how long you will or will not last on here, but classing people who choose to fish a certain venue as "Mugs" will endear you to few
Best
Jon
The reason was there were a lot of swan mussels in the venue and they wanted to cut down the amount of line being left in the venue when people were getting cut off by reducing casting distances. They drained down every other year so were aware of how bad the problem was.
I'm not sure how long you will or will not last on here, but classing people who choose to fish a certain venue as "Mugs" will endear you to few
Best
Jon
In reply to Post #53
Come across a few times , its there for different reasons
Come across a few times , its there for different reasons
In reply to Post #53
Hi John,
Yeah, maybe calling other anglers mugs for fishing a certain venue, whether it's Grenville, or not was a tad strong. I meant no offence when I said it. But, when used in context of why there's a maximum weight rule on a deep lake, that is 75 acres in size, the rule is making the angling for more difficult than it should be.
It was put to me that using a 4oz lead, as an example would crack off a 0.37mm line easily. That maybe so, but a crack off is mostly caused by angling error, rather than the product itself. I've been saying that if an angler as cracked off using a 4oz lead on 0.37mm line, then, they've done something wrong.
A monofilament of 0.37mm won't crack off because of a 4oz lead, and if anyone thinks otherwise, then, they're sadly mistaken. No matter how much that dents their fragile ego.
However, if an angler is dumb enough to use a 6oz lead, or higher, then they are overloading the 0.37mm line and will crack off. But, I really didn't think I would need to explain something as obvious as that.
So, here's yet another obvious explanation. Using a heavy lead isn't just about being able to cast to the horizon. On a lake the size of Grenville, where there's obvious undertow, especially in strong winds, a 4oz lead would keep a baited rig in situ far better than a 3oz lead would.
So, why have a stupid rule, such as a maximum of 3oz on a deep lake that's 75 acres in size?
You've mentioned a lake you fished at that had a lot of swan mussels, so they restricted the weight to 2.5oz to prevent crack offs when long range casting. Why didn't the fishery impose a stronger line rule and pass on a bit of tuition, instead of imposing a nonsensical rule?
Back to Grenville.
Riggy stated that most of his captures were 30yds, or less. I can well believe that. I'm not, nor have I ever implied that carp can't be caught close in on Grenville, or any other large lake. But, if anglers can't cast long range, because of too light a weight, or strong winds, or undertow, then it stands to reason that a baited rig is going close in.
It made me laugh when I was told to get around the 3oz lead rule and be able to cast long range, the anglers use a 3oz lead in solid bag. With the weight of the bait included, the overall casting weight is over 5.5oz...now that is overloading 0.37mm. And yet the fishery manager at Grenville allows this????
Talk about double standards.
Also, I've never implied that the fishery manager doesn't bait the margins. I would've thought that he does. But, I do know for a fact that he's banned pellets, and yet, feeds pellets into the lake and on times, beyond casting range. I know that's been happening, because I know a few lads who's fished there and they told me. I replied, you're mugs for fishing there...but, they didn't go into meltdown when I said it.
As for jealousy. With all the restrictions on fishing and the price of the syndicate, how exactly am I being jealous??? Chenmenie you're an absolute prat 😂
Tightlines everyone and may all your best fishes come true.
Sayonara
Hi John,
Yeah, maybe calling other anglers mugs for fishing a certain venue, whether it's Grenville, or not was a tad strong. I meant no offence when I said it. But, when used in context of why there's a maximum weight rule on a deep lake, that is 75 acres in size, the rule is making the angling for more difficult than it should be.
It was put to me that using a 4oz lead, as an example would crack off a 0.37mm line easily. That maybe so, but a crack off is mostly caused by angling error, rather than the product itself. I've been saying that if an angler as cracked off using a 4oz lead on 0.37mm line, then, they've done something wrong.
A monofilament of 0.37mm won't crack off because of a 4oz lead, and if anyone thinks otherwise, then, they're sadly mistaken. No matter how much that dents their fragile ego.
However, if an angler is dumb enough to use a 6oz lead, or higher, then they are overloading the 0.37mm line and will crack off. But, I really didn't think I would need to explain something as obvious as that.
So, here's yet another obvious explanation. Using a heavy lead isn't just about being able to cast to the horizon. On a lake the size of Grenville, where there's obvious undertow, especially in strong winds, a 4oz lead would keep a baited rig in situ far better than a 3oz lead would.
So, why have a stupid rule, such as a maximum of 3oz on a deep lake that's 75 acres in size?
You've mentioned a lake you fished at that had a lot of swan mussels, so they restricted the weight to 2.5oz to prevent crack offs when long range casting. Why didn't the fishery impose a stronger line rule and pass on a bit of tuition, instead of imposing a nonsensical rule?
Back to Grenville.
Riggy stated that most of his captures were 30yds, or less. I can well believe that. I'm not, nor have I ever implied that carp can't be caught close in on Grenville, or any other large lake. But, if anglers can't cast long range, because of too light a weight, or strong winds, or undertow, then it stands to reason that a baited rig is going close in.
It made me laugh when I was told to get around the 3oz lead rule and be able to cast long range, the anglers use a 3oz lead in solid bag. With the weight of the bait included, the overall casting weight is over 5.5oz...now that is overloading 0.37mm. And yet the fishery manager at Grenville allows this????
Talk about double standards.
Also, I've never implied that the fishery manager doesn't bait the margins. I would've thought that he does. But, I do know for a fact that he's banned pellets, and yet, feeds pellets into the lake and on times, beyond casting range. I know that's been happening, because I know a few lads who's fished there and they told me. I replied, you're mugs for fishing there...but, they didn't go into meltdown when I said it.
As for jealousy. With all the restrictions on fishing and the price of the syndicate, how exactly am I being jealous??? Chenmenie you're an absolute prat 😂
Tightlines everyone and may all your best fishes come true.
Sayonara
In reply to Post #55
Try digging upwards.
Try digging upwards.
In reply to Post #55
I mentioned nothing about crack offs
Anyway you carry on, you're creating quite the persona all on your lonesome......
Best
Jon
I mentioned nothing about crack offs
Anyway you carry on, you're creating quite the persona all on your lonesome......
Best
Jon
In reply to Post #55
NielG1210 Don't call me a prat, its very brave of you when sitting behind a keyboard
now do us all a favour and jog on
NielG1210 Don't call me a prat, its very brave of you when sitting behind a keyboard
now do us all a favour and jog on
In reply to Post #58
It's also very brave of you to slag me off, make me out to be something I'm not and then get your pals to act with a pack mentality.
If you can't take it, don't dish it out.
But, I agree with you that I'm not on here. That's it I'm done
It's also very brave of you to slag me off, make me out to be something I'm not and then get your pals to act with a pack mentality.
If you can't take it, don't dish it out.
But, I agree with you that I'm not on here. That's it I'm done
In reply to Post #40
As you say its down to physics.
Crack offs occur when the sudden point loading on the line exceeds the lines yield strength, that strength can be reduced due to damage from nicks, UV damage or simply a weak point caused by repeated stress.
A larger lead will lead to more crack offs due to the lower acceleration require to reach the same force. Along with the additional mass the will be larger reaction forces from the lead resisting the sudden acceleration, thus the elastic limit of the mono will be reached faster.
Higher stretch lines will crack off less than the equivalent breaking strain pre stretched.
However that can be overcome by changing casting technique or rod. A progressive rod would load more slowly than a fast taper and allow for more gradual acceleration and less instant stress on the line but you wouldn't achieve the same distances as you would achieve lower lead speed.
As you say its down to physics.
Crack offs occur when the sudden point loading on the line exceeds the lines yield strength, that strength can be reduced due to damage from nicks, UV damage or simply a weak point caused by repeated stress.
A larger lead will lead to more crack offs due to the lower acceleration require to reach the same force. Along with the additional mass the will be larger reaction forces from the lead resisting the sudden acceleration, thus the elastic limit of the mono will be reached faster.
Higher stretch lines will crack off less than the equivalent breaking strain pre stretched.
However that can be overcome by changing casting technique or rod. A progressive rod would load more slowly than a fast taper and allow for more gradual acceleration and less instant stress on the line but you wouldn't achieve the same distances as you would achieve lower lead speed.
In reply to Post #59
Out of interest which monofilament manufacturing factory did you work at?
Out of interest which monofilament manufacturing factory did you work at?
In reply to Post #55
Have you ever fished Grenville?
Have you ever fished Grenville?
In reply to Post #55
It was put to me that using a 4oz lead, as an example would crack off a 0.37mm line easily.
That's interesting and makes sense to me
Once you learn to cast it is quite easy to crack off, even with 3oz and 15lb straight through pending rod type
It was put to me that using a 4oz lead, as an example would crack off a 0.37mm line easily.
That's interesting and makes sense to me
Once you learn to cast it is quite easy to crack off, even with 3oz and 15lb straight through pending rod type
In reply to Post #6
Yep ridiculous
Yep ridiculous
In reply to Post #55
Perhaps you would be best off contacting the fishery manager Paul via the Grenville's Facebook page or website he will enlighten you as to why the 3oz lead rule is in place. As a long standing member I have seen a number of rule changes take place over the years some I agree with some I don't but I adhere to them because rules are rules. When I first fished there approximately 2010 the fish were smaller and there were less anglers on the lake Paul supplemented the bait going in with maize and coarse pellets spreading it about 30 yards out never there middle.
Whichever way you sugar coat it you think current members and those on a healthy waiting list are mugs! Whether your mates weren't offended is irrelevant you classed us all as mugs which I take offence too.
As I said before jog on and play with your mates elsewhere 🤬
Michael
Perhaps you would be best off contacting the fishery manager Paul via the Grenville's Facebook page or website he will enlighten you as to why the 3oz lead rule is in place. As a long standing member I have seen a number of rule changes take place over the years some I agree with some I don't but I adhere to them because rules are rules. When I first fished there approximately 2010 the fish were smaller and there were less anglers on the lake Paul supplemented the bait going in with maize and coarse pellets spreading it about 30 yards out never there middle.
Whichever way you sugar coat it you think current members and those on a healthy waiting list are mugs! Whether your mates weren't offended is irrelevant you classed us all as mugs which I take offence too.
As I said before jog on and play with your mates elsewhere 🤬
Michael
In reply to Post #63
Yeah, I appreciate what you're saying. You can crack off 0.37mm even with a 3oz lead. I won't deny that.
But...the point I've made earlier is, if you're using a line as thick as 0.37mm and you crack off, then 99.99% it's down to angling error.
Causes are: line twist, line damage, not opening bail arm, bail arm closing on cast, wrapped around back of spool, hitting line clip, wrapping around tip eye. Basically, angling. It's not the 4oz lead that's causing the crack off, as that weight is well within the rating and tolerance of a 0.37mm line.
Yeah, I appreciate what you're saying. You can crack off 0.37mm even with a 3oz lead. I won't deny that.
But...the point I've made earlier is, if you're using a line as thick as 0.37mm and you crack off, then 99.99% it's down to angling error.
Causes are: line twist, line damage, not opening bail arm, bail arm closing on cast, wrapped around back of spool, hitting line clip, wrapping around tip eye. Basically, angling. It's not the 4oz lead that's causing the crack off, as that weight is well within the rating and tolerance of a 0.37mm line.
In reply to Post #59
Well you started it
So clearly it's you who can dish it out but not take it
Well you started it
So clearly it's you who can dish it out but not take it
In reply to Post #65
If you are getting all wound up about that comment, then you seriously need to get over yourself.
If you're happy with fishing at Grenville, that's fine with me, I've got absolutely no problem with that. You go fishing to please yourself, not me.
But, as I've stated, the angling could be made a lot easier without an over excessive rule, like limiting to a 3oz lead, but then contradicts that rule by allowing pva bags of almost 6oz in weight, which is way beyond the tolerance of 0.37mm line.
But, seriously get over yourself. I know for a fact that there are members currently fishing there, who are NOT happy about the 3oz rule.
If you are getting all wound up about that comment, then you seriously need to get over yourself.
If you're happy with fishing at Grenville, that's fine with me, I've got absolutely no problem with that. You go fishing to please yourself, not me.
But, as I've stated, the angling could be made a lot easier without an over excessive rule, like limiting to a 3oz lead, but then contradicts that rule by allowing pva bags of almost 6oz in weight, which is way beyond the tolerance of 0.37mm line.
But, seriously get over yourself. I know for a fact that there are members currently fishing there, who are NOT happy about the 3oz rule.
In reply to Post #67
I didn't start on you and make personal attacks on you, and then get my buddies to back me up, now did I? 😏
I didn't start on you and make personal attacks on you, and then get my buddies to back me up, now did I? 😏
In reply to Post #69
Yes you called me a prat
And just for the record I do not know any of the other guys who posted so how are they my buddies
Perhaps they are just like minded and think you are over opinionated and unwilling to listen to other peoples points of view and evidence.
I reckon you could start an argument with yourself
Anyways I thought you'd gone and weren't coming back
Yes you called me a prat
And just for the record I do not know any of the other guys who posted so how are they my buddies
Perhaps they are just like minded and think you are over opinionated and unwilling to listen to other peoples points of view and evidence.
I reckon you could start an argument with yourself
Anyways I thought you'd gone and weren't coming back
In reply to Post #70
And what opposing view is that? Taking things out of context and then throwing insults. So, rightfully I called you a prat.
And I'll do it again. No problem.
And what opposing view is that? Taking things out of context and then throwing insults. So, rightfully I called you a prat.
And I'll do it again. No problem.
In reply to Post #46
Not going to argue about Harefield, and the line elasticity, but I think there was another water as well that he was using big round leads and at shorter ranges.
I recall the story of a big common, caught by one of the group on that method.
Line elasticity (or lack of) is something many people forget, it is why 30/40/50 braid can easily be broken when it reaches maximum stress point with a spod or Spomb, like hitting a clip too hard. No stretch and reaching that point will cause even braid to give way.
Coming back to Harefield, Paul Gummers story in The Carp Strikes Back, bass rods with massive leaders down to 'normal' mainline. Worthy of a beer or three😉😆
Not going to argue about Harefield, and the line elasticity, but I think there was another water as well that he was using big round leads and at shorter ranges.
I recall the story of a big common, caught by one of the group on that method.
Line elasticity (or lack of) is something many people forget, it is why 30/40/50 braid can easily be broken when it reaches maximum stress point with a spod or Spomb, like hitting a clip too hard. No stretch and reaching that point will cause even braid to give way.
Coming back to Harefield, Paul Gummers story in The Carp Strikes Back, bass rods with massive leaders down to 'normal' mainline. Worthy of a beer or three😉😆
In reply to Post #66
Not splitting hairs mate but any decent caster could crack off on 0.37mm and 3oz quite easily, when you start reaching 130yds it's shockleader range for me rod dependant of course. I bet the majority could crack off on 4oz and 0.37mm if they can cast a bit and they are going for max range
Balanced tackle is the key for range otherwise it's shockleaders for me
Not splitting hairs mate but any decent caster could crack off on 0.37mm and 3oz quite easily, when you start reaching 130yds it's shockleader range for me rod dependant of course. I bet the majority could crack off on 4oz and 0.37mm if they can cast a bit and they are going for max range
Balanced tackle is the key for range otherwise it's shockleaders for me
In reply to Post #73
I totally get what you're saying, mate. 130yds is a helluva chuck. But, 0.37mm should cope with that no problem. Once you get beyond 160-180yards, then there maybe a cause for concern. But, a 3oz couldn't get that far anyway. Even a tournament caster would struggle at that range with a 3oz lead. A 4oz lead is definitely needed.
I shared a link earlier, which shows what the tolerance is 0.35mm and 120gms was the maximum load, but achievable. It also showed 120gms is well within the tolerance of 0.37mm, and 120gms is just a little bit heavier than 4oz
I totally get what you're saying, mate. 130yds is a helluva chuck. But, 0.37mm should cope with that no problem. Once you get beyond 160-180yards, then there maybe a cause for concern. But, a 3oz couldn't get that far anyway. Even a tournament caster would struggle at that range with a 3oz lead. A 4oz lead is definitely needed.
I shared a link earlier, which shows what the tolerance is 0.35mm and 120gms was the maximum load, but achievable. It also showed 120gms is well within the tolerance of 0.37mm, and 120gms is just a little bit heavier than 4oz
In reply to Post #74
You really are clueless I'm afraid, Danny moeskops cast a 75g lead just shy of 260 yards. Go to a tournament court and speak to some of the casters, take a reel loaded with 0.37 xt and a few 4oz leads and watch them snap the line without much effort.
You really are clueless I'm afraid, Danny moeskops cast a 75g lead just shy of 260 yards. Go to a tournament court and speak to some of the casters, take a reel loaded with 0.37 xt and a few 4oz leads and watch them snap the line without much effort.
In reply to Post #74
You have made more comebacks than Rocky
You have made more comebacks than Rocky
In reply to Post #75
You're talking about Danny Moskeops, now, come on. These guys can do things with rod and line most of us can only dream about. They make it look easy, because they're pros.
I'm talking about a standard fishing situation.
You're talking about Danny Moskeops, now, come on. These guys can do things with rod and line most of us can only dream about. They make it look easy, because they're pros.
I'm talking about a standard fishing situation.
In reply to Post #76
Yeah, still swinging 😂
I was genuinely gone, but I got a tad wound up 😂😂
Yeah, still swinging 😂
I was genuinely gone, but I got a tad wound up 😂😂
In reply to Post #77
Even a tournament caster would struggle at that range with a 3oz lead
Even a tournament caster would struggle at that range with a 3oz lead
In reply to Post #79
Here we go, splitting hairs again.
Here we go, splitting hairs again.
In reply to Post #80
How is that splitting hairs. Its quoting your exact words.
How is that splitting hairs. Its quoting your exact words.
In reply to Post #75
So, you're saying it can't be done. Here's the proof of what I've been saying about 0.37mm mono. This is what Terry Edmonds said on his Facebook page on 11th May.
Freespirit 13ft 3.5 su CTX and Daiwa windcast being cast 185 by my client 10lb line and leader. Also had casts to 160 yards 0.37mm mono and leader. 4.5 ounce leads being used to combat the wind ✌️
#techniquematters
So, you're saying it can't be done. Here's the proof of what I've been saying about 0.37mm mono. This is what Terry Edmonds said on his Facebook page on 11th May.
Freespirit 13ft 3.5 su CTX and Daiwa windcast being cast 185 by my client 10lb line and leader. Also had casts to 160 yards 0.37mm mono and leader. 4.5 ounce leads being used to combat the wind ✌️
#techniquematters
In reply to Post #81
You know what I was getting at, mate. All you've done is split hairs with everything.
You haven't been able to disprove what I've been saying, and this is the level that you stoop to just for kicks.
Bravo 👏
You know what I was getting at, mate. All you've done is split hairs with everything.
You haven't been able to disprove what I've been saying, and this is the level that you stoop to just for kicks.
Bravo 👏
In reply to Post #83
That's probably on a field, or at least not opposite another angler.
I don't understand the whole argument
.37 should be ok but plenty of people could snap it on demand
That's probably on a field, or at least not opposite another angler.
I don't understand the whole argument
.37 should be ok but plenty of people could snap it on demand
In reply to Post #82
Using a shock leader and very forgiving 3.5tc rod. Over the last 2 years I've tried at least four different 13ft distance rods that will snap 0.37 xt straight through and a 4oz lead.
Using a shock leader and very forgiving 3.5tc rod. Over the last 2 years I've tried at least four different 13ft distance rods that will snap 0.37 xt straight through and a 4oz lead.
In reply to Post #82
it says with a leader.
it says with a leader.
In reply to Post #84
Yeah, they'll crack off because of angling error. It's not the line and it's not the lead. 0.37mm can easily cope up to 150 yards straight through. But, beyond that stick a leader on.
4oz is well within tolerance. So, why would you want to use light leads on a deep large lake with loads of undertow? Doesn't make sense
Yeah, they'll crack off because of angling error. It's not the line and it's not the lead. 0.37mm can easily cope up to 150 yards straight through. But, beyond that stick a leader on.
4oz is well within tolerance. So, why would you want to use light leads on a deep large lake with loads of undertow? Doesn't make sense
In reply to Post #86
Look at the distance he's casting. 🙈
Look at the distance he's casting. 🙈
In reply to Post #82
You seem to have very similar chat to a young man on here who recently got made to look a bit silly by a very good angler called Oz. He's disappeared and you've piped up....
You seem to have very similar chat to a young man on here who recently got made to look a bit silly by a very good angler called Oz. He's disappeared and you've piped up....
In reply to Post #86
Tuitions have been interesting this week from boiling hot and sunny to wet through lol. Loads of gains 20lb fluorocarbon being cast 140 yards, to 15lb 0.37mm straight through over 150 yards. Technique proving once you understand, you can cast anything.
Re spooled my spools ready for the weedy lakes on my syndicate, also one that sinks decent 👍🙌
#bestyoucanbe
#freespiritfishing
Happy now?
Tuitions have been interesting this week from boiling hot and sunny to wet through lol. Loads of gains 20lb fluorocarbon being cast 140 yards, to 15lb 0.37mm straight through over 150 yards. Technique proving once you understand, you can cast anything.
Re spooled my spools ready for the weedy lakes on my syndicate, also one that sinks decent 👍🙌
#bestyoucanbe
#freespiritfishing
Happy now?
In reply to Post #89
So, basically can't disprove what I've been saying and claim that I don't know what I'm talking about.
Ok
So, basically can't disprove what I've been saying and claim that I don't know what I'm talking about.
Ok
Dp.
In reply to Post #91
Just admit you're wrong and move on.
Just admit you're wrong and move on.
In reply to Post #92
With what, exactly?
I put up a link several posts ago and it's been ignored. Now I've shown what's Terry Edmonds' Facebook page and that's still getting ignored.
With what, exactly?
I put up a link several posts ago and it's been ignored. Now I've shown what's Terry Edmonds' Facebook page and that's still getting ignored.
In reply to Post #89
I missed that what threat was it??
I missed that what threat was it??
In reply to Post #94
It's pointless trying to point out the obvious issue with your "proof" so ill not even bother trying.
It's pointless trying to point out the obvious issue with your "proof" so ill not even bother trying.
In reply to Post #87
Angling error? By casting a rod but the line parting because the lead is too big or line too weak to handle the force applied. You can't determine it by distance because different techniques can apply different loads
Angling error? By casting a rod but the line parting because the lead is too big or line too weak to handle the force applied. You can't determine it by distance because different techniques can apply different loads
In reply to Post #68
“But, seriously get over yourself. I know for a fact that there are members currently fishing there, who are NOT happy about the 3oz rule.”
Then they should speak to the management and air their views, or perhaps they value their tickets too much?
Mate I don't need to get over myself, life's too short to let a mug like you wind me up! And yes I use the word mug in the correct context
Get a life
Michael
“But, seriously get over yourself. I know for a fact that there are members currently fishing there, who are NOT happy about the 3oz rule.”
Then they should speak to the management and air their views, or perhaps they value their tickets too much?
Mate I don't need to get over myself, life's too short to let a mug like you wind me up! And yes I use the word mug in the correct context
Get a life
Michael
In reply to Post #87
You are definitely wrong. 0.37mm mono can snap like cotton if the right force is applied. Its irrelevant of lead size, if you could accelerate a half ounce lead fast enough then you could snap the line.
If you worked in a mono factory as you claim you would know that the issue isn't the loading but how its applied (to a point). A sudden loading on the line with cause the stretch to be taken out, once that's done the cross section will deform, micro tears appear and the line parts.
You are definitely wrong. 0.37mm mono can snap like cotton if the right force is applied. Its irrelevant of lead size, if you could accelerate a half ounce lead fast enough then you could snap the line.
If you worked in a mono factory as you claim you would know that the issue isn't the loading but how its applied (to a point). A sudden loading on the line with cause the stretch to be taken out, once that's done the cross section will deform, micro tears appear and the line parts.
In reply to Post #99
He's still digging then
That hole is getting pretty big now
He's still digging then
That hole is getting pretty big now
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