What do you guys use for a pre bait? Im relcutant to use boilies as there so expensive. I need something cheap and a lot off it!
So far Im thinking sweetcorn and chickpeas would be my best bet. But I'm unsure how I would get them all the way out in a lake without a spod rod.
Any suggestions?
So far Im thinking sweetcorn and chickpeas would be my best bet. But I'm unsure how I would get them all the way out in a lake without a spod rod.
Any suggestions?
In reply to Post #1
Vitalin and particles. Boil up particles then add to vitalin whilst still warm. When it has soaked in for 1/2 an hour ball it up and catapult it in.
Vitalin and particles. Boil up particles then add to vitalin whilst still warm. When it has soaked in for 1/2 an hour ball it up and catapult it in.
In reply to Post #2
Cheers mate I'll try that
Cheers mate I'll try that
Maples, chick peas and maize.
I've always used maize and prepared it myself. 25k £9 it's dirt cheap. That 25k makes nearer 40k prepared
In reply to Post #1
Bird food from £1 land (the ones with no nuts in)they do a blue bag more flakes maize etc too
Also Indian seeds from supermarket lentils,hemp,corn,chickpeas anything like this soak for 24 hours or more then boil.
Use this all time on canal and small lakes helps hold fish keeps them grubbing around also you can add spices and sweet stuff too.
Sometimes I've added coconut milk and carnation caramel cream to the mix or gone other way adding a jar or 2 of curry sauces to it something a bit different
Bird food from £1 land (the ones with no nuts in)they do a blue bag more flakes maize etc too
Also Indian seeds from supermarket lentils,hemp,corn,chickpeas anything like this soak for 24 hours or more then boil.
Use this all time on canal and small lakes helps hold fish keeps them grubbing around also you can add spices and sweet stuff too.
Sometimes I've added coconut milk and carnation caramel cream to the mix or gone other way adding a jar or 2 of curry sauces to it something a bit different
In reply to Post #1
Goat mix
Goat mix
In reply to Post #5
Where do you get your maize from mate? Been shopping around and can't seem to find any decent quality stuff at reasonable prices. None of my local farm shops etc stock anything like it so reliant on internet
Where do you get your maize from mate? Been shopping around and can't seem to find any decent quality stuff at reasonable prices. None of my local farm shops etc stock anything like it so reliant on internet
In reply to Post #8
Most animal feed places stock it and it's super cheap.
Most animal feed places stock it and it's super cheap.
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Dry particles - maize and pigeon conditioner are dirt cheap but you need to buy in bulk (20kg sacks) to get the cheap prices. Soak for minimum 24 hours (ideally 48) then boil till the baize starts to split open and is softish.
There's other options too, hemp, maple peas, tiger nuts, groats, buckwheat etc but can be a bit more expensive.
There's a pinned post at the top of the page explaining how to cook all the different particles. It's critical they are prepared properly or you could end up killing fish.
Dry particles - maize and pigeon conditioner are dirt cheap but you need to buy in bulk (20kg sacks) to get the cheap prices. Soak for minimum 24 hours (ideally 48) then boil till the baize starts to split open and is softish.
There's other options too, hemp, maple peas, tiger nuts, groats, buckwheat etc but can be a bit more expensive.
There's a pinned post at the top of the page explaining how to cook all the different particles. It's critical they are prepared properly or you could end up killing fish.
In reply to Post #8
Im in need of maize too. I tried willow grange but there only click and collect
Im in need of maize too. I tried willow grange but there only click and collect
In reply to Post #7
Where do you get that from?
Where do you get that from?
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Where do you get that from?
Where do you get that from?
In reply to Post #14
Mate, are you near to a good tackle shop or animal feed place? Or pet supply store? Ask them. Also, if you search for this stuff you'll find a stack of recent info as I can see you are asking stacks of questions (great way to learn BTW).
Failing that Maltbys online are good.
Mate, are you near to a good tackle shop or animal feed place? Or pet supply store? Ask them. Also, if you search for this stuff you'll find a stack of recent info as I can see you are asking stacks of questions (great way to learn BTW).
Failing that Maltbys online are good.
In reply to Post #8
Local animal feed place mate
Local animal feed place mate
In reply to Post #7
How do you prepare goat mix? Do you soak it in anything?
How do you prepare goat mix? Do you soak it in anything?
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Do you soak them in any liquid?
Do you soak them in any liquid?
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What do you soak the bird mix in?
What do you soak the bird mix in?
In reply to Post #19
Have a look on the particles preparation guide thread everything you need to know is on there. Also have a look on haiths as ken townley has wrote a lot on particles
Have a look on the particles preparation guide thread everything you need to know is on there. Also have a look on haiths as ken townley has wrote a lot on particles
In reply to Post #19
Spices and salt or sugar and honey because as they soak they draw water in
Had success with the carnation caramel tins from Asda and coconut milk had my PB canal carp on this method
Spices and salt or sugar and honey because as they soak they draw water in
Had success with the carnation caramel tins from Asda and coconut milk had my PB canal carp on this method
In reply to Post #17
you can use dry, but you will find a bit of it floats, so i just add water about an hour before use
you can use dry, but you will find a bit of it floats, so i just add water about an hour before use
Groats, frozen corn(Tesco value etc) and other low cost particles mate
In reply to Post #19
Just look for what's commonly called Pigeon Conditioner.
It's a variation of seeds and usually has an aniseed smell.
Easy to prepare by just placing in a container with a resealable lid (bucket or cool box etc.)
Just add boiling water at around 3 times the volume of the Pigeon Conditioner put lid on and leave for around 12 hours. If you want to bulk your particle mix out further i would probably add Maize.
Just look for what's commonly called Pigeon Conditioner.
It's a variation of seeds and usually has an aniseed smell.
Easy to prepare by just placing in a container with a resealable lid (bucket or cool box etc.)
Just add boiling water at around 3 times the volume of the Pigeon Conditioner put lid on and leave for around 12 hours. If you want to bulk your particle mix out further i would probably add Maize.
In reply to Post #24
Okay cheers mate. Didnt know pigeons use conditioner
Okay cheers mate. Didnt know pigeons use conditioner
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WU5lTW9bx2g&t=551s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WU5lTW9bx2g&t=551s
In reply to Post #1
50 or so boilies broken in to pieces, flicked into likely looking places 2 or 3 times a week is all you need, and if the lakes busy and you are being watched 3 or 4 handfuls of pea gravel in unlikely looking spots 😉
50 or so boilies broken in to pieces, flicked into likely looking places 2 or 3 times a week is all you need, and if the lakes busy and you are being watched 3 or 4 handfuls of pea gravel in unlikely looking spots 😉
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Of course they do. Have you ever seen a Pigeon with a bad hair do
Of course they do. Have you ever seen a Pigeon with a bad hair do
In reply to Post #1
Liquidised bread mixed with micronised maize, takes on flavour and dye really well, everything comes to the dinner table.
Liquidised bread mixed with micronised maize, takes on flavour and dye really well, everything comes to the dinner table.
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use wheat, it's even cheaper than maize
use wheat, it's even cheaper than maize
In reply to Post #27
Pea gravel, old skool tactics
Pea gravel, old skool tactics
In reply to Post #31
Soap in the snags ,old skool and secret squirrel.
Soap in the snags ,old skool and secret squirrel.
In reply to Post #32
Are you Martin Clarke
Are you Martin Clarke
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. . .getting everyone on your lake using the same boilie and spread baiting at the end of every session . . guaranteed effective . .!
. . .getting everyone on your lake using the same boilie and spread baiting at the end of every session . . guaranteed effective . .!
In reply to Post #34
Not really doing your own thing tho. More like tagging along for the ride
Not really doing your own thing tho. More like tagging along for the ride
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With goat mix do you soak it and boil it first? Or do you just add water an hour before you use it?
I dont think goat mix is included on the particle preparation guide in which most things are soaked then boiled.
With goat mix do you soak it and boil it first? Or do you just add water an hour before you use it?
I dont think goat mix is included on the particle preparation guide in which most things are soaked then boiled.
In reply to Post #36
It's flaked particles so they don't need boiling.
It's flaked particles so they don't need boiling.
In reply to Post #37
I use Pigeon squeaker mix. Loads of different peas/beans and very similar price to maize, the advantage being that if the fish are a little wary of big beds of yellow the squeaker is a lot more varied.
I use Pigeon squeaker mix. Loads of different peas/beans and very similar price to maize, the advantage being that if the fish are a little wary of big beds of yellow the squeaker is a lot more varied.
In reply to Post #36
post 22
post 22
In reply to Post #39
Im guessing you get your goat mix from a local animal shop, right? Or is there somewhere cheap online?
Im guessing you get your goat mix from a local animal shop, right? Or is there somewhere cheap online?
In reply to Post #40
we have horses here and i get it delivered when wife orders from a local feed company.
Its easy enough to find if you google it
we have horses here and i get it delivered when wife orders from a local feed company.
Its easy enough to find if you google it
In reply to Post #41
Do you think all goat mixes will be ok for carp. There wont be anything potentially harmful to the carp in any of these goat mixes?
Do you think all goat mixes will be ok for carp. There wont be anything potentially harmful to the carp in any of these goat mixes?
In reply to Post #42
perfectly fine, ive been feeding my stock for yrs on it
perfectly fine, ive been feeding my stock for yrs on it
In reply to Post #43
You have your own stock of carp? Do you know the name of the site where you get yours from. Ive tried several places which seem to be around £13 for 20kg but they all want £5 delivery. Do you get free delivery with yours?
You have your own stock of carp? Do you know the name of the site where you get yours from. Ive tried several places which seem to be around £13 for 20kg but they all want £5 delivery. Do you get free delivery with yours?
In reply to Post #44
yes i have a lake mate ive run for a very long time.
try Heygates, thats where i get mine from
yes i have a lake mate ive run for a very long time.
try Heygates, thats where i get mine from
In reply to Post #45
Thanks. ill check them out
Thanks. ill check them out
In reply to Post #46
They wont deliver but you'll be able to see who is your local stockist
They wont deliver but you'll be able to see who is your local stockist
In reply to Post #35
mmm - depends on your POV - have you ever actually done this . . ?
In a small syndy with a low stock why compete against each other especially if fish are hooked on naturals / holed up in weed 95% of the time? . . By everyone feeding a quality food bait of the same label then by effectively pre-baiting for each other you can make a MASSIVE difference to everyone's results, but most importantly your own . . .you've still got to be able to fish properly in the first place!
mmm - depends on your POV - have you ever actually done this . . ?
In a small syndy with a low stock why compete against each other especially if fish are hooked on naturals / holed up in weed 95% of the time? . . By everyone feeding a quality food bait of the same label then by effectively pre-baiting for each other you can make a MASSIVE difference to everyone's results, but most importantly your own . . .you've still got to be able to fish properly in the first place!
In reply to Post #48
Do the same as everyone else, catch the same as everyone else...a different bait can be a huge edge, and catch you that one that doesnt get caught....
Do the same as everyone else, catch the same as everyone else...a different bait can be a huge edge, and catch you that one that doesnt get caught....
In reply to Post #47
Cheers. Theres one 5 miles from where I live. Very helpful
Cheers. Theres one 5 miles from where I live. Very helpful
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. . .all depends on the water(s) you fish. Agree a different bait / spot can catch you different fish, but on some syndicates (that are judged on bites per season) competing against other anglers can sometimes make it more difficult . . .
I fished a lake like this - top rod was 18 fish for the season which was an amazing result. After agreeing between ourselves as members we all switched to the same bait the following season and effectively pre-baited for each other simply by fishing . . .suffice to say everyone's results improved expediently . . .just sayin . . .!
. . .all depends on the water(s) you fish. Agree a different bait / spot can catch you different fish, but on some syndicates (that are judged on bites per season) competing against other anglers can sometimes make it more difficult . . .
I fished a lake like this - top rod was 18 fish for the season which was an amazing result. After agreeing between ourselves as members we all switched to the same bait the following season and effectively pre-baited for each other simply by fishing . . .suffice to say everyone's results improved expediently . . .just sayin . . .!
In reply to Post #30
+1 for Wheat.
+1 for Wheat.
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Where do you get your pigeon conditioner? I like the looks of the buckstons 20kg one with hemp oil in for £13
Where do you get your pigeon conditioner? I like the looks of the buckstons 20kg one with hemp oil in for £13
In reply to Post #54
Years ago I used to use the Bucktons pigeon conditioner with aniseed in, it worked great and easy to prep in an old cool box Great value for money if your looking for lots of bait especially if you combine it with vitalin dog food.
Years ago I used to use the Bucktons pigeon conditioner with aniseed in, it worked great and easy to prep in an old cool box
Great value for money if your looking for lots of bait especially if you combine it with vitalin dog food.
In reply to Post #55
Why vitalins dog food? Can it be any dog food. How did you distribute your buckstons pigeon conditioner. I don't have a spod rod so I have to be able to ball it up and fire in a catapult
Why vitalins dog food? Can it be any dog food. How did you distribute your buckstons pigeon conditioner. I don't have a spod rod so I have to be able to ball it up and fire in a catapult
In reply to Post #56
Vitalin is a brilliant bait, and balls up really well so perfect for what you want. Other brands may be ok, it depends on what's in them really. But vitalin is cheap as chips so no need to look anywhere else really
Vitalin is a brilliant bait, and balls up really well so perfect for what you want. Other brands may be ok, it depends on what's in them really. But vitalin is cheap as chips so no need to look anywhere else really
In reply to Post #57
Nice one. Ill check it out. What has been your most effective pre bait?
Nice one. Ill check it out. What has been your most effective pre bait?
In reply to Post #58
Bird food from Poundland without the nuts and seeds from the Asian supermarkets soak for 24 hours and boil perfect keeps them munching around
Bird food from Poundland without the nuts and seeds from the Asian supermarkets soak for 24 hours and boil perfect keeps them munching around
In reply to Post #56
Vitalin is a mix of flaked maize, oats, meat and bone meal. You look at it, and it looks like a dry groundbait😉
It only needs water adding, mixing, letting soak in for around 15minutes, and will then ball up nicely.
If you add particles with the juice like pigeon conditioner, you can add them in exactly like the water.
It still balls up nicely, and can also be moulded around the lead and hookbait like a Method groundbait.
Vitalin is a mix of flaked maize, oats, meat and bone meal. You look at it, and it looks like a dry groundbait😉
It only needs water adding, mixing, letting soak in for around 15minutes, and will then ball up nicely.
If you add particles with the juice like pigeon conditioner, you can add them in exactly like the water.
It still balls up nicely, and can also be moulded around the lead and hookbait like a Method groundbait.
In reply to Post #56
Post 57 and 60 says it all. I can't add anything to what's been said there good luck buddy.
Post 57 and 60 says it all. I can't add anything to what's been said there
good luck buddy.
In reply to Post #58
It depends really. Some places things like vitalin , pigeon conditioner,hemp etc , others purely boilies. Lots of variables to consider, stock, other species ,time of year etc etc . There's no right or wrong answer
It depends really. Some places things like vitalin , pigeon conditioner,hemp etc , others purely boilies. Lots of variables to consider, stock, other species ,time of year etc etc . There's no right or wrong answer
In reply to Post #62
Maize
Maize
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Pellets.......you can use them or not use them, they don't need to be prepared, cost effective......no carp ever refuses them
Pellets.......you can use them or not use them, they don't need to be prepared, cost effective......no carp ever refuses them
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Agree with what many have already said on this thread, big sacks of vitalin and pigeon conditioner and cheap to buy and easy to prep. If got access to a cab and carry it such like to buy big tins of sweetcorn to add to the mix and give it a bit of colour can help but if you haven't buying big bags of uncooked maize and cooking yourself is a great and cost affective alternative. Any large pet stores should supply all of the above making it easy to get your hands on. Add water to the vitalin in a bucket until it becomes damp enough to form into balls but not squeezed too tight it goes like concrete. Add the other ingredients and can make a very cheap alternative to buying bags of groundbait and it's very easy to throw out. If baiting up further out is fine to fill a spod or spomb as loosefeed and get out to desired area. Vitalin clouds the water up being used as it is but can easily take on added flavours and colours to give it and extra boost but it's so good this isn't really needed👍
Agree with what many have already said on this thread, big sacks of vitalin and pigeon conditioner and cheap to buy and easy to prep. If got access to a cab and carry it such like to buy big tins of sweetcorn to add to the mix and give it a bit of colour can help but if you haven't buying big bags of uncooked maize and cooking yourself is a great and cost affective alternative. Any large pet stores should supply all of the above making it easy to get your hands on. Add water to the vitalin in a bucket until it becomes damp enough to form into balls but not squeezed too tight it goes like concrete. Add the other ingredients and can make a very cheap alternative to buying bags of groundbait and it's very easy to throw out. If baiting up further out is fine to fill a spod or spomb as loosefeed and get out to desired area. Vitalin clouds the water up being used as it is but can easily take on added flavours and colours to give it and extra boost but it's so good this isn't really needed👍
In reply to Post #65
I'm definitely going to get some vitalin. I'm using goat mix at the moment and I have to add flour to ball it up. I think vitalin, sweetcorn and hemp would be irresistible to carp. Is it worth adding a liquid to the mix like hemp oil or is that not even needed.
Is there an alternative cheaper liquid attractant than hemp oil? I've heard some people say sunflower and salmon oil are good.
I'm definitely going to get some vitalin. I'm using goat mix at the moment and I have to add flour to ball it up. I think vitalin, sweetcorn and hemp would be irresistible to carp. Is it worth adding a liquid to the mix like hemp oil or is that not even needed.
Is there an alternative cheaper liquid attractant than hemp oil? I've heard some people say sunflower and salmon oil are good.
In reply to Post #66
Carp can't detect oils so they offer nothing in terms of attraction, their benefits come when ingested so chucking them in loose feed is a waste of money
Carp can't detect oils so they offer nothing in terms of attraction, their benefits come when ingested so chucking them in loose feed is a waste of money
In reply to Post #67
When should I use hemp oil then?
When should I use hemp oil then?
In reply to Post #68
When rolling boilies. Some people say the oil carries particles around the water column and the fish find them etc etc but imo that's nonsense.if you want to add a liquid then something which will cloud the water a bit would be my choice. Something like condensed milk would be a good start
When rolling boilies. Some people say the oil carries particles around the water column and the fish find them etc etc but imo that's nonsense.if you want to add a liquid then something which will cloud the water a bit would be my choice. Something like condensed milk would be a good start
In reply to Post #69
I just read on here that toasted sesame oil is good at creating a cloud. Have you ever tried it?
I just read on here that toasted sesame oil is good at creating a cloud. Have you ever tried it?
In reply to Post #70
No mate, as said I don't waste my money on oils to use for loose feed. Not sure how a clear oil makes a cloud?
No mate, as said I don't waste my money on oils to use for loose feed. Not sure how a clear oil makes a cloud?
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