I am sick to the back teeth of watching Named Anglers wearing no life Jackets on their YouTube,Company Videos,Insta etc. i'm sure you can swim, i'm sure you have an entourage of people filming you to help, it could be shallow... But people do copy you, Your rigs your bait even your Hair.
Daves on his first trip to france 300yards out goes over the edge thinks it was ok because its on YouTube..ITS YOUR FAULT.. So on any media life jackets Please Guys.
And if we as Carp anglers prove to be responsible we may be aloud them on more venues.
Stay safe Happy Christmas
Daves on his first trip to france 300yards out goes over the edge thinks it was ok because its on YouTube..ITS YOUR FAULT.. So on any media life jackets Please Guys.
And if we as Carp anglers prove to be responsible we may be aloud them on more venues.
Stay safe Happy Christmas
In reply to Post #1
Ok.......
Ok.......
Copy hair? God forbid the unlucky so and so! Lol
In reply to Post #3
Most have only got 1 left if they are lucky anyway
Most have only got 1 left if they are lucky anyway
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Imagine going into the barbers and asking for a jim shelley 😳
Imagine going into the barbers and asking for a jim shelley 😳
In reply to Post #5
What about a julian?
What about a julian?
In reply to Post #6
Stop waiting YouTube if it sickens you so much
Stop waiting YouTube if it sickens you so much
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Real smart answer... 45 UK freshwater anglers drowned between 2012-2016 be nice to see that at 0 .. I've seen Mozza Maker and Scott Lloyd PROMOTING wearing a life jacket. I've got a sh** list of those that Don't.....
Real smart answer... 45 UK freshwater anglers drowned between 2012-2016 be nice to see that at 0 .. I've seen Mozza Maker and Scott Lloyd PROMOTING wearing a life jacket. I've got a sh** list of those that Don't.....
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I'm sorry but how is it someone who makes a videos fault if some one doesn't wear a life jacket? We are responsible for out own actions.
I'm sorry but how is it someone who makes a videos fault if some one doesn't wear a life jacket? We are responsible for out own actions.
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How many of those 45 fell from boats without a life jacket?
How many of those 45 fell from boats without a life jacket?
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It's not always that simple. We have a boat on our syndicate water, only for freeing a tethered fish and work parties. The syndicate leader, who's name is on the lease, bought a couple of life jackets and put a note out saying they MUST be worn whenever using the boat. I queried why he couldn't have just said "use at your own risk" and you should supply your own life jacket. He explained he'd had a chat with another member who's a retired senior lawyer, not known to pander to the H&S brigade. His scenario was that a member has a serious accident in the boat and is forced to be off work for several months. He admits it was totally his fault and has no claim against the lease holder, but he claims on his accident insurance. The insurance company would not see it like that and pursue the lease holder for damages for his failure to provide the necessary safety equipment. A worse case would be the anglers wife claiming on his life insurance.
A couple of life jackets and insisting on their use is a lot cheaper than a law suit.
It's not always that simple. We have a boat on our syndicate water, only for freeing a tethered fish and work parties. The syndicate leader, who's name is on the lease, bought a couple of life jackets and put a note out saying they MUST be worn whenever using the boat. I queried why he couldn't have just said "use at your own risk" and you should supply your own life jacket. He explained he'd had a chat with another member who's a retired senior lawyer, not known to pander to the H&S brigade. His scenario was that a member has a serious accident in the boat and is forced to be off work for several months. He admits it was totally his fault and has no claim against the lease holder, but he claims on his accident insurance. The insurance company would not see it like that and pursue the lease holder for damages for his failure to provide the necessary safety equipment. A worse case would be the anglers wife claiming on his life insurance.
A couple of life jackets and insisting on their use is a lot cheaper than a law suit.
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OK so like I said these people who make videos aren't responsible for it?! Don't get me wrong I'm all for wearing life jackets but blaming people drowning on the makers of videos is daft. Any grown adult knows the dangers, if they choose to ignore them that's up to them
OK so like I said these people who make videos aren't responsible for it?! Don't get me wrong I'm all for wearing life jackets but blaming people drowning on the makers of videos is daft. Any grown adult knows the dangers, if they choose to ignore them that's up to them
they're influencers people copy them, kids and newbies copy them. Then everyone's doing it because it's deemed as Ok. I know the probability of anything happening is low and if you are stupid enough to go out in boat without one on just do it off camera
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If you supply safety equipment you also need to train the people it is intended for or you can be prosecuted if it is used incorrectly and something happens I'm surprised your friends senior lawyer did not tell them that aswell
If you supply safety equipment you also need to train the people it is intended for or you can be prosecuted if it is used incorrectly and something happens I'm surprised your friends senior lawyer did not tell them that aswell
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Writing ITS YOUR FAULT is a bit much though chap. It's really not uncommon for people not to wear them either, I've seen way more people not wearing them than that have been over the years, and that's been since before all these Internet vids etc. Not everyone watches the vids either, so who do you blame for those?
I do agree with you that these in the vids should be wearing them to set an example, but to blame those that don't for others mistakes is daft imo
Writing ITS YOUR FAULT is a bit much though chap. It's really not uncommon for people not to wear them either, I've seen way more people not wearing them than that have been over the years, and that's been since before all these Internet vids etc. Not everyone watches the vids either, so who do you blame for those?
I do agree with you that these in the vids should be wearing them to set an example, but to blame those that don't for others mistakes is daft imo
Never heard so much rubbish in all my life
Anyone stupid enough to not know you should have a life jacket on in a boat shouldn't be anywhere near a boat. I'd love to be a fly on the wall of any law suit saying Danny Fairbrass was responsible for my death because i watched a video of him on YouTube and he didn't have a life jacket on so it's his fault I died 😂😂
Whilst it's blatantly obvious you should wear a life jacket, if someone doesn't then that's their choice and they will have to (or not) deal with the consequences.
If Darrell Peck started shooting other anglers in his videos then by the same logic it would be his fault if I started doing it 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
Anyone stupid enough to not know you should have a life jacket on in a boat shouldn't be anywhere near a boat. I'd love to be a fly on the wall of any law suit saying Danny Fairbrass was responsible for my death because i watched a video of him on YouTube and he didn't have a life jacket on so it's his fault I died 😂😂
Whilst it's blatantly obvious you should wear a life jacket, if someone doesn't then that's their choice and they will have to (or not) deal with the consequences.
If Darrell Peck started shooting other anglers in his videos then by the same logic it would be his fault if I started doing it 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
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I've just checked the note he sent out, they're actually buoyancy aids not life jackets, which he makes a point of pointing out. His note states that any non swimmers must supply their own life jackets, and anyone using the buoyancy aids must familiarise themselves with the correct use label clearly printed on the inside. Hopefully, if the worst was to happen it would be enough to keep him out of court.
I had to wear a life jacket at work once or twice, for dock frontage work, at no time was I given any training in how to wear one, this was for an international company who were normally sh1t hot on H&S.
I've just checked the note he sent out, they're actually buoyancy aids not life jackets, which he makes a point of pointing out. His note states that any non swimmers must supply their own life jackets, and anyone using the buoyancy aids must familiarise themselves with the correct use label clearly printed on the inside. Hopefully, if the worst was to happen it would be enough to keep him out of court.
I had to wear a life jacket at work once or twice, for dock frontage work, at no time was I given any training in how to wear one, this was for an international company who were normally sh1t hot on H&S.
Just another scraping the barrel slagging off rant by goggle box carping experts. The sheer negativity aimed at named anglers this year is pityful. The slippery slope is now a sheer cliff....
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It was drilled into to us to wear life jackets in the 90's after those chaps died at Savay. Yeah maybe a bit strong it's your fault but I've had enough of the people who should be setting a good example.. If I seen it on the bank I'd 100% say something... if I seen it being filmed on the bank who knows ??
It was drilled into to us to wear life jackets in the 90's after those chaps died at Savay. Yeah maybe a bit strong it's your fault but I've had enough of the people who should be setting a good example.. If I seen it on the bank I'd 100% say something... if I seen it being filmed on the bank who knows ??
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I'd put a bet on if you saw it being filmed you'd not say a word. That's why you're on a forum having a rant instead of sending a letter/email/message to all of those companies and anglers you think should or could have done better and worn a life jacket in their content.
Be a far better use of your time I reckon.
I'd put a bet on if you saw it being filmed you'd not say a word. That's why you're on a forum having a rant instead of sending a letter/email/message to all of those companies and anglers you think should or could have done better and worn a life jacket in their content.
Be a far better use of your time I reckon.
Another Do-Gooder. 
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You need to get a hobby or something mate
Oh...........
You need to get a hobby or something mate
Oh...........
The tools at football matches who shout pearls of wisdom at pro players for the entire match spouting how they could do better blind folded etc seem to have adopted angling as a temporary platform to continue brainstorming until such a time that allows them a return to their natural habitats lol .
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I remember the sickening feeling i had at that time when savay boys drowned and the guys on wrasbury....i never knew them but it upset me....always worn a life jacket since fullstop.
I remember the sickening feeling i had at that time when savay boys drowned and the guys on wrasbury....i never knew them but it upset me....always worn a life jacket since fullstop.
On my syndicate you have to use one, infact if you don't you use a life jacket you are banned instantly. You could be 1 day into a £1000 a year ticket and it's gone without a refund, what I will say tho is when you first join he makes sure you no how to use one and will show you which is good
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I've sent emails to two of the largest manufactures of carp gear asking not to put out content with people wearing no life jackets over the last year.
what made put pen to paper is seeing two people wearing winter gear out in a boat on an inland sea.. i don't want any new or young anglers risking their lives.
If you are the top of your game at any sport you to be setting good examples.
I'm sure all the England football team wear shin pads and all the rugby team wear gum shields.
Carp anglers should wear life Jackets because drowning is lot worse than a broken leg.
I've sent emails to two of the largest manufactures of carp gear asking not to put out content with people wearing no life jackets over the last year.
what made put pen to paper is seeing two people wearing winter gear out in a boat on an inland sea.. i don't want any new or young anglers risking their lives.
If you are the top of your game at any sport you to be setting good examples.
I'm sure all the England football team wear shin pads and all the rugby team wear gum shields.
Carp anglers should wear life Jackets because drowning is lot worse than a broken leg.
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these guys are so dumb...............I bet they don't even know the difference between aloud and allowed.
Oh.....
these guys are so dumb...............I bet they don't even know the difference between aloud and allowed.
Oh.....
In reply to Post #1
Hi
Good post. I entirely agree that these guys should be setting a good example. Life jackets should be mandatory.
In fairness to some anglers they maybe wearing one of the smaller inflatable life jackets under their jumper/coat. I remember calling out a famous angler about a year ago about not wearing a life jacket in his social media post. But in fairness to him he replied and assured me he was wearing one, but it was one of the small ones that inflates on immersion and it was under his coat. So couldn't really argue that. Hopefully it was the truth 🤞🤷♂️
Carl
Hi
Good post. I entirely agree that these guys should be setting a good example. Life jackets should be mandatory.
In fairness to some anglers they maybe wearing one of the smaller inflatable life jackets under their jumper/coat. I remember calling out a famous angler about a year ago about not wearing a life jacket in his social media post. But in fairness to him he replied and assured me he was wearing one, but it was one of the small ones that inflates on immersion and it was under his coat. So couldn't really argue that. Hopefully it was the truth 🤞🤷♂️
Carl
Has to be a Camo Life Jacket.
Talk about Nanny state where's this end next named anglers that film footage of their journey to the water must ensure they are wearing a seatbelt and not overloading the vehicle and to be sure give a verbal warning just in case they are copied and cause a safety concern for mindless brainwashed simpletons who may not hold the faculties to think for themselves.
In reply to Post #26
I'm not sure I particularly agree with having to set an example. Most of the guys you see are just general blokes, who just fish and get a bit extra on the side. They're not role models, general safety when growing up should be taught by parents, and schools, not some bloke who goes fishing. Let's be honest, if you want to look at probably the most famous angler of all John Wilson, he was bobbing around lots of times on a boat, without anyone really having an issue with it, well that's my view anyway
I'm not sure I particularly agree with having to set an example. Most of the guys you see are just general blokes, who just fish and get a bit extra on the side. They're not role models, general safety when growing up should be taught by parents, and schools, not some bloke who goes fishing. Let's be honest, if you want to look at probably the most famous angler of all John Wilson, he was bobbing around lots of times on a boat, without anyone really having an issue with it, well that's my view anyway
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Think we'll have to agree to differ on that. There has been several high profile cases of angler deaths in boat incidents. The minute you are in the limelight you have a duty to set a good example. Many young and inexperienced anglers watch the films etc and copy what they see. How many youngsters do you see copying footballers. Same in our game. Many anglers parents etc are not interested in fishing so people need role models. Some of these guys make reasonable money and get free stuff out of what they do, the least they can do is be good role models.
Think we'll have to agree to differ on that. There has been several high profile cases of angler deaths in boat incidents. The minute you are in the limelight you have a duty to set a good example. Many young and inexperienced anglers watch the films etc and copy what they see. How many youngsters do you see copying footballers. Same in our game. Many anglers parents etc are not interested in fishing so people need role models. Some of these guys make reasonable money and get free stuff out of what they do, the least they can do is be good role models.
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I think there is a difference between football and fishing, most lakes that I've ever fished wont have anyone unaccompanied under the age of 16 on their lakes. So by that, then we are talking about young ish adults, i reckon by that point in their lives they know what they should be doing, regardless of what they have seen.
I think there is a difference between football and fishing, most lakes that I've ever fished wont have anyone unaccompanied under the age of 16 on their lakes. So by that, then we are talking about young ish adults, i reckon by that point in their lives they know what they should be doing, regardless of what they have seen.
In reply to Post #33
Beg to differ. In my experience some people in that age bracket have not much regard for safety in many cases. Look at the death rates from car accidents in that age group. There is good quality research to prove that the risk awareness part of the brain takes time to develop. Particularly in males it doesn't in many cases mature until mid 20s. Either way people in the limelight have a duty to set a good example.
Beg to differ. In my experience some people in that age bracket have not much regard for safety in many cases. Look at the death rates from car accidents in that age group. There is good quality research to prove that the risk awareness part of the brain takes time to develop. Particularly in males it doesn't in many cases mature until mid 20s. Either way people in the limelight have a duty to set a good example.
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Also they are role models to many young and older people alike. Many people follow the trends these guys set. Only gotta look at the clothes many of these younger anglers wear etc. Look also at the melee over Terry Hearns recent book if that's not people looking up to an idol then I don't know! Most of the top anglers are in fairness excellent role models.
Also they are role models to many young and older people alike. Many people follow the trends these guys set. Only gotta look at the clothes many of these younger anglers wear etc. Look also at the melee over Terry Hearns recent book if that's not people looking up to an idol then I don't know! Most of the top anglers are in fairness excellent role models.
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And the one that vents on social media that waders are actually a buoyancy aid. Its just nuts.
And the one that vents on social media that waders are actually a buoyancy aid. Its just nuts.
Matt Hayes and Mick brown almost always have some sort of life jacket on. modern ones
are so light and unobtrusive anyway.
are so light and unobtrusive anyway.
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