anyone on here using Nutrabaits products in any shape or form?

In reply to Post #1
Probably most of us at some point. You need to be much more specific with your question to get a meaningful answer.

In reply to Post #2
im sure everyone has over the years, just asking if anyone is using their products all the time now, making their own using their base mixes?

They have just 're released pineapple and banana that and techni spice is the only real thing I would use as an alternative bait. Plenty better out there IMO be it make it own basemix or flavours. Some products are still unique and all products are good it is just that I feel others have gone forward whereas they have stayed still or even gone backwards in recent times....

Didn't Taska buy them?

The BFM was awesome some ten years ago, tried a fair range of thier products but other then the BFM I wasn't overly impressed.

In reply to Post #5
Didn't Taska buy them?

Yes they did, and then fcuked the Nutrabaits brand right up, to 'nostockbaits' ..... anywhere even with modern day technology and a huge team of so called business experts

Thought that was the case, didn't bill remain as a consultant? Poor bloke, must be banging his head against a wall.

In reply to Post #7
Yes, but in a strange twist of fate, along with a few of his old original team, and investment, Big Bill bought the brand off of Taska/& umbrella company to be back under his control.
Damage was already done, too many old regular customers had gone elsewhere in the absence of Nutrabaits products.

So they are still about. Hum I did love Dave Moore's BFM.

If anyone dosent know you can still buy BFM ,or alternatively make your own as the ingredient's are freely available on the net.

In reply to Post #9
rollin baits do the original dave moore BFM to the original recipe might be worth a shot

Bill left the company a few months ago after his position within it became untenable. Frankly for me this was a "ravens leaving the Tower" moment.

In reply to Post #12
Ken, I agree.....the fallout with new owners and rumoured changes to ingredients put me right off....I was excited at the relaunch a few years back and placed a few orders but the baits don't seem to be any better than others and gone backwards by standing still........

Rollin baits do the BFM to Dave Moore original recipe.....I know which version I'd use

In reply to Post #13
but the baits don't seem to be any better than others and gone backwards by standing still........

New Company beancounters are probably more about profit and share price, rather than innovation & product quality nowadays.

Shame really. Bigger they are, the harder they fall. And Nutrabaits WERE one of the biggest.

In reply to Post #14
guess ill move on then, been trying to get back into using their enervite gold again but lacking confidence in it..

It's a bloody shame they have fallen from grace. God knows how much four seasons mix I used to very great effect.

I used to love Nutrabaits products, base mixes, flavours, additives etc.
There were some absolute treats in there that produced a lot of fish.

When Taska bought it and Bill Cottam left I lost confidence in anything I bought.

Since he is no longer there, I would not go back

In reply to Post #17
agreed, real shame

In reply to Post #18
Still use their old skool flavours in original bottles, but there's better and more reliable bait out there since the takeover.

The brand was that strong that during their top years 5 kg BFM ready's went for about 250 guilders in Holland. Kid you not. Guilders is from the time of real money btw, about 125 eurolalalamoney.

On the bright side, enjoyed the column of Bill Cottam on carpology, still has a nice way of putting it.

In reply to Post #20
Enervite. One of the all time greatest bird food baits ever.......I'd love to know the full ingredient list and levels. Incredible bait from back in the day that still catches em

In reply to Post #21
Ingredients used to be on the bags, don't know about now though?

A quick google:

Full Fat Soya Flour

Liver Powder

Equivite

Sodium Caseinate

Wholemeal Semolina

Robin Red

Softbill birdie - PTX?

Brewers Yeast

Mixed Spices - Ken's input

I'm sure Ken can update

In reply to Post #22
Sluis softbill I recall. Otherwise yep that was it. Friend of mine did well with it with Leek Oil. Decent mix.

In reply to Post #23
Possibly, well renowned for their CLO

In reply to Post #22
Scozza, had seen the ingredients previously but don't know the levels or what spices. would love too know as Id use it exclusively. Such a good bait

In reply to Post #21
Enervite - brilliant base mix

also still using their Cajoler powder

In reply to Post #25
Trial and error mate

Soya and semi base, 50/50 for starters lol. Without getting the calculator out, straight off the top of my head and TBH it all depends on how it rolls

2 kg semo
2.kg soya
3 kg birdie, sluis etc
2 kg sodium Cas.
Equivite, robin red, liver powder, brewers yeast, spices, how deeps your pocket 1kg worth or drop a kg of sodium cas. and up your attractors to the max

In reply to Post #22
My guess that Spanish peppers were probably included along side the robin red.

Also remember the smell of Selenavite E,
cough cough the old SBS Vitmin, once the bucket lid was opened.

In reply to Post #22
Me and another forum member (Saggybelly) came up with the following recipe a few years ago as I was interested in doing a mix along the similar line of Enervite -

Robin Red 10%
Concentrated Yeast Powder (Or Brewers Yeast) 5%
Liver Powder 3%
Mixed Spices 4%
Full Fat Soya Flour 25%
Wholemeal Semolina 20%
Equivite 3%
Sodium Caseinate 10%
Softbill Birdfood 20%

Also check out the following thread - http://www.carpforum.co.uk/Shared/Messages.asp?TopicID=355021&ReadAll=1

In reply to Post #29
the big question is.....those mixed spices ? Ken, do you not know ?

In reply to Post #30
I would say cinnamon & coriander

In reply to Post #29
Is wholemeal semolina the same as the organic wholewheat brown semolina? or something else altogether?

nutrabaits 3d boillies still the best ive ever used,

In reply to Post #32
same thing. Wholewheat = wholemeal. The Enervite was indeed a great bait. Used it loads on a ressie I used to fish before fishmeals became popular. The fish all ended up with red bellies.

In reply to Post #31
"mixed spice" as it comes is mainly cinnamon and coriander with clove, ginger, nutmeg, caraway and fennel so it was probably just that they used in Enervite,

In reply to Post #35
It might be slightly different from supplier to supplier but cinnamon and coriander are definitely the main ingredients.

(Sainsbury's Ground Mixed Spice is cinnamon, coriander seed, dill seed, ginger, cloves and nutmeg).

Years ago in an effort to save money I made a homemade version of Enervite, and after the faffing I went back to the real deal. Weybread Number 1 fish absolutely loved the stuff, more so than the fishmeals that were starting to be piled in.
I still used Nutrabaits Geranium Terpenes as the essential oil.

Same season also showed me how overdosing peanuts and tigers could switch a venue off. It wasn't me who used them and after they had been piled in the lake switched off for weeks.

Enervite Gold with Strawberry, Cream and Bergamot, another classic that produced fish when I couldn't or hadn't prebaited at the start of the season.

In reply to Post #36
Nick, if only the real deal were still available.

In reply to Post #34
Thanks jim

The .....BIG FISH MIX....

BFM recipe - To make 16oz of base mix:
2 oz Capelin meal
3 oz Sardine & Anchovy meal
3 oz White fishmeal
3 oz Sluis CLO
2 oz Acid Casein
1/2 oz Kelp powder
1/2 oz Robin Red
1 oz Nutrapro
1 oz Nutralac

In reply to Post #39
BFM, I wonder if it is still as per recipe, now that Big Bill has left.

In reply to Post #40
Used to be good.. in the ‘90's.....

In reply to Post #40
No, it was changed a little last year & 'improved' with some ingredients being swapped.

In reply to Post #39
BFM.... does make me laugh when people talk about this being original. 50% fishmeal, 25% milks, and apart from half an ounce of kelp, the rest CLO and Robin Red.

And the difference between this and Premiers Spiced Fish, which was out at least 2 years before BFM is....?????

In reply to Post #43
Yeah, original idea by Geoff.
DM got it, the BFM idea, off of Geoff whilst he was fishing the tip lake and Longfield.
Back then, if you didn't have a fishmeal bait, you couldn't compete, and Nutrabaits needed one ASAP.
The fish food mix didn't really stand out.

In reply to Post #42
Improved ?
or made more rolling machine friendly and more profitable, cynical me.

In reply to Post #43
Well probably not in the grand scheme of things but hey it did work well. Used that and Aminos many years ago with various RH flavours. Continue to use premier ABS and JB baits all very effective.

In reply to Post #1
I use NUTRABAITS on a daily basis and believe it's truly leaps and bounds ahead of its competitors. I understand this post is 2 years old and that's probably the reason why I have the opinion I do.

Since the companies most recent take over it has began to redevelop the ambition and drive that was it was once surrounded by. The lads on the ground are really doing the footwork regarding introducing new recipes, flavours and ideas.

I'd strongly suggest that anyone who was put off, for whatever reason, should give Nutrabaits another chance. Their current BFM and the likes of Trigga and the recent addition CO-DE are all proving to be undeniably outstanding big fish baits.

The quality & service from these guys is second to none.

In reply to Post #47
Great first post in the midlle of the night we believe you 100%

In reply to Post #47
So how long have you worked for them?

In reply to Post #47
Are you a Nutrabaits socials/team member by any chance ?

I'm happy that you are happy with your Nutrabait of choice, but a hell of a lot of the original homeroller/bait buyers that globally made Nutrabaits what it was, under Big Bill, have made their decisions since the shockingly bad takeover where the stock and supply line just disappearing into thin air, and are now using other companies baits or rolling there own. Draw your own conclusions. Only time will tell if they can turn things around.

In reply to Post #50
Would be great if they did turn it around, I'd love to use them again

In reply to Post #51
I'll believe the hype when Dave Moore is buying their New BFM at retail price. Or the Devil is selling frozen bait at a discount.

In reply to Post #51
Could be a proper edge if everybody is using the same old

In reply to Post #53
most of my bait contains nutrabaits ingredients.

i order a few times a year and have always had a great service with no issues.

Ener-vite gold forms the base of most of my mixes these days.

In reply to Post #56
I once caught a lake record common on a cream cajouser readymade lol
Surprised the hell out of me that did.

In reply to Post #55
Used a lot off their stuff over the years. Tear the lid off a tub of BFM and you know it's going to work

Can't see the bases being far off unless some powders are unavailable but I'm sure there are some top quality alternatives available these days, technology and all

As for the liquids, Trigga etc, could be difficult to replace, as for flavours, the choice is endless

Far too many “carp” anglers are the first to dismiss a bait and jump on the next big thing, more conditioned than the fish!

Think I might have a look next season

In reply to Post #58
I think that's the thing tho scozza, you can get a bait equally as good as BFM from a lot of companies these days, at half the cost. Most contain pre digested fishmeal a' la “BFM stage 2” as well.

Stage 2 was an idea of mine, and 'improvement' I thought, as I incorporated pre-dig ingredients. Bill had sourced them for me and sent them down telling me to "get on with it". I had some incredible returns on the Mk2 but Bill said it was too expensive to put in base mixes at the level I was using, 50g/500g. Shame, as I think he would have been the market leader at the time.

In reply to Post #59
ABS and the likes I agree. I was thinking more of uniqueness. Once a good base, always a good base for me

In reply to Post #60
I always thought Nutrabaits base mixes were good, but could always be improved by tweaking ingredients or an additional ingredient or two.


I totally understand the limit of cost though as you could quite easily stick another 25 or even 50% on to the price of ingredients, just by adding cajouser, super sweet, extra GLM and a flavour and EO.

In reply to Post #62
The best was hemp mix... 90% hemp they claimed and 100 pounds price

In reply to Post #61
But we're they really unique? They all had pretty much the same ingredients, just slightly different ratios.

Even when we rolled our own, I'd say the vast majority was often to a published recipe.

In reply to Post #64
Always rolled my own, BFM was a game changer for me, fish love it

You can only use what is around you at the time, 99% of recipes are probably a copy, virtually everything nowadays is, there is enough information for anybody to knock a decent base mix up. Off the shelf, in the bucket, 100% confidence for me

Done the homemade bait thing for a lot of years and unless you are buying in BUIK it's an expensive game. Anybody who buys bait from a shop is paying a premium, shop mark up, that simple

In reply to Post #65
Rolling your own, a rare breed, becoming rarer in this age of ready rolled convenience.

Nutrabaits always were a consistent good media advertiser, and a quality supplier of easy to follow/roll up base mixes/additives with instructions and recipes that anyone of all abilities could knock up and create baits that could catch from anywhere.

These days there are so, so many other good baits available, sometimes I think it is more about the marketing, than the quality of some bait these days.

In reply to Post #66
Mainly rolled my own Nutrabaits except for 3 seasons where I had somebody do it for me. used pre-rolled other baits though

Your right though, the choice is absolutely well and truly endless now

In reply to Post #47
re: The quality & service from these guys is second to none.

Well, I wanted some info on one of their more expensive products, so as you can only do, add details via the 'contact us' page, not once, but twice, and guess what... no reply whatsoever. Shame.

In reply to Post #47
Absolute tosh from a field tester.

Nutrabaits mixes are a shadow of what they were, and they never acknowledge that key ingredients go missing as discontinued.

Scaley - which of their ingredients are you curious of? I can probably give you the exact name of it prior to the re badging? Unless it's a trade secret in which case 🥸

In reply to Post #69
Thanks Mozzi.
It wasn't an ingredient as such, but the protein content of the Hi Nu Val base mix, as the label doesn't show it.
I seem to remember it was around 75% percent protein.

In reply to Post #69
I was followed by the guy on insta, he now uses EVG baits whoever they may be.... Speaks volumes!! 🙄

In reply to Post #70
From the top of my head I thought it was 86% but I could well be wrong.

In reply to Post #71
It's an instant pop up firm again with very little experience, took on a large “team” of some anglers who are nice chaps but I know to be beginners.

On last months Baitworks Podcast The guest was Russell Widgington who has been using Nutrabaits Trigga Pineapple butyric for the past 15 yrs. Anyone else tried it ? Thanks

In reply to Post #74
A long time ago. It isn't trigga anymore and hasn't been for a long time, two of the key original ingredients aren't made anymore and neither are some of the other ingredients.

If I had to choose one it's be BFM as this mix can only be superior to when it was first made due to improvements in the original ingredients I.e low temperature fishmeals.

If you're up north I'd bypass them all together and go with RG baits or rollin baits 👍🏼

In reply to Post #75
Thanks Mozzi , sounds like best left alone then. I'm down in Wiltshire.
Will use up all my Munch bait and think again

In reply to Post #75
Spot on

In reply to Post #75
Not if you go by what Dave Moore says - unless you know different?

In reply to Post #78
Show me where Dave Moore states BFM is exactly the same / isn't able to be improved with new ingredients and also where he says nutrabaits still use the trigga products? Now please?

In reply to Post #79
Was just talking about BFM. Listen to the carp chronicles podcast pt2. It would be over £25 per kilo if he tried to make it now to the same recipie. As far as he was concerned, it was a milk protein bait with a bit of fishmeal.

It would be a totally different bait if you tried to make it now, not an improved one.

Interesting chat about hydro's as well.

In reply to Post #75
The BFM certainly isn't a superior bait to what it was back then simply because some of the ingredients used are unavailable and that's from Dave himself. The BFM these days is a *******ised version to make it cheaper to produce, Dave said it would probably cost somewhere in the region on £24 a kilo to produce now. Yes there has been huge improvements with ingredients since then but also a monumental price increase on everything!.

In reply to Post #81
Interesting and with the milks at high levels I can understand that, plus the price of Robin red

I believe it had Acid Casein in it and possibly lactalbumin, can't remember and i no longer have an old tub knocking around now?

Fishmeal were a mix to expand the amino acid levels I believe, a lot cheaper than LT94 i guess?

In reply to Post #82
Acid casein - 100 mesh Danish
Nutrapro. Their version of West German lactalbumin substitute, actually WPC80 I think
Nutralac. Their version of lamlac or vitamealo

LT94 wasn't a known high end fishmeal to the masses back them, if it was even available.
Just remember the common ones.
Pre digested fishmeal was still hush hush.

Yes the standard fishmeals were a lot cheaper than they are now, for sure.
Got a catalogue for a supplier somewhere and the Provimi 66 was £14 a 25kg sack, retail, not trade, now it is £43 to £50 a sack!

In reply to Post #83
Dave gives the recipe in the podcast - didn't originally have nutralac and nutrapro in it. Maybe that was a cost cutting measure down the line.

Tbh he wasn't that complimentary about many of their baits!

In reply to Post #80
The original BFM mix, decades old, is a basic fishmeal mix?

In reply to Post #81
Fishmeals, milks, cereals are all superior to what they were back then. Fact. I was advising the guy, not entering into a discussion about what's said in a podcast. It would completely contradict what I've heard from Dave before?. I spoke in-depth Dave as a kid at a show or slide show can't remember which and he confirmed the original recipe to me. Nut flax and nutrapro are just rebadged milks.

In reply to Post #83
The LT94 was a cost comparison. It had cheaper fish meals in it, herring etc.

Based on the cost increases comments, has to be the milk fractions for me. Saying that, I guess everything has gone up since it's original conception!!!

I can see where Mozzi is coming from, by adding LT94 for example and pre-digested etc

In reply to Post #84
Do you have the list of ingredients or do we have to start searching podcasts?

In reply to Post #86
Listen to the podcast. He gives the recipe and states the milks used, and it wasn't nutralac/nutrapro.

I like the way you ask for proof, two people give it, and because it contradicts what you said you're “not entering into a discussion about what's said in a podcast” 😂. You stated use BFM as it must be better as “ s this mix can only be superior to when it was first made due to improvements in the original ingredients I.e low temperature fishmeals”, but the person who invented it says otherwise.

Yes, you can get “better” fish meals, but are milks any better? If you listen to it Dave even addresses that, and hydro milks. But why let facts get in the way.....

In reply to Post #88
Sorry, didn't write it down whilst I was driving. Think it was

Rennet, 30 mesh, lactalbumin, calcium caseinate, sluis clo, robin red, sardine&anchovy, white fish meal, capelin meal, kelp meal. Might have dreamt the kelp, but we were all using it in fishmeals back then.

It's the milks being so expensive now, plus you can't get proper sluis or robin red that mean the current bait can't be anything like the old one, and not as good. His words, not mine.

In reply to Post #89
I think rather than DM stating he invented the BFM he actually stated he added the fishmeals to a Nutrabaits milk protein bait that already existed which I believe he said in his opinion improved a mix of milks that were already available.
Also when asked by Sam "milk and birds" fish and milks" etc.. which one would he choose to use if he could only pick one for the rest of his days his response was milks going by his own results

He was also indulging in a 72 pint keg with Sam and Pete and this was in the part two episode so possibly a little bit fuggy in the head to remember back to the late 80's early 90's exactly everything from memory recall.

In reply to Post #91
I think rather than DM stating he invented the BFM he actually stated he added the fishmeals to a Nutrabaits milk protein bait

It was actually a A2 BAITS a company he had involvement with Graham Cardroy and I personally think the other partner he couldn't remember was 'AA Brain'
The milk protein that started it all he said, was A2 Megamix, with added sardine/anchovy and other fishmeals,

MORE Milk protein content than fishmeals originally.

In reply to Post #92
I listened to DM's "BFM recipe" and was slightly taken aback. Then I found an old Nutrabaits catalogue from the early 90's with a big article by Dave on the development of BFM. At no point in that article does he mention some of the milks he talks about in the podcast being in the bait.
My take on this, is that what he initially developed was probably already too expensive to be a viable option to be sold by Nutrabaits, so it was modified with "lesser quality" milks to enable it to be sold. In that form, it can still be made in very similar way to the Nutrabaits sold version.

In reply to Post #86
Fishmeals, milks, cereals are all superior to what they were back then. Fact.

That's a bold statement which to be honest I don't think is fact. I doubt Casein or caseinate are any different at all, but back in the day lactalbumin was the go to Whey product, and I would use it now over WPC80, but I do concede the advantage is not worth the price difference.
Robin Red is nothing like the product it was when BFM came out, and none of the CLO copies are anything like the sluis original.
As for fishmeal, as a bait ingredient I would go for the three fishmeal combination of white fish/Sardine and Anchovy/caplin over Lt94 every time. The data sheet might say Lt94 is better but my results have consistently showed otherwise. Predigested FM wasn't in use at the time but yes that is better.

In reply to Post #94
"The data sheet might say Lt94 is better but my results have consistently showed otherwise"

The best one is the one that fish like eating. Maybe they are sick of the taste of LT94.........*











*Yes, I know the makeup of it changes

In reply to Post #93
I did find it suprising that he slagged their mixes off - "4 seasons mix? Yeah, that's how long it took to catch a fish on it"

In reply to Post #94
Caseins are of a high grade now. Most people who sold lactalbumin where selling WPC80 in the bags which is common knowledge.

CLO nowadays I think comes in a better format, nice and coarse with no where for bread crumb to hide, it can then be ground if you do wish. I also believe there are better birdfood in general now especially if you look abroad.

Robin Red in my opinion, is a dye. They took out the main catching ingredient long ago, the only reason I still use it is because it's what the bait was developed with. I'm hoping to mix a proprietary version much superior.

Fishmeals are night and day. Easily more consistent products now. As for the enzyme treated ones they're some of the best ingredients you can buy. What's your reasoning for your blend being superior I'm genuinely interested?

In reply to Post #90
Nice one mate

In reply to Post #97
Mozzie,

I'll take your word for the milk proteins I have no way of knowing but the specifications haven't changed to my memory.

Clo versions nowadays are really egg foods, the original clo had milk, yeast and meat products in it, alongside the breadcrumbs. You are right there are some good birdfoods out there but I think in bfm and many other baits they are included for functional reasons not nutritional. The original Robin Red was a fantastic ingredient and there was definitely something in it that the carp liked, its the one ingredient I wish I could still get in it's original form.

My comments on the fishmeal is purely based on my own experiences, I have been very disappointed with my results when I have used Lt94 as the sole fishmeal content in my baits. I have done far better with a combination of fishmeals, halving the Lt94 content and replacing with sardine and anchovy makes a massive difference. It's the same with going cheap and leaving out milk protein from a fishmeal, it is just not the same.

Of course nowadays we have the option of adding Predigested fishmeal and as you say that's a game changer as well but I don't think when bfm came out that was used in baits, certainly not commercially available ones.

In reply to Post #99
What I'm saying though, is that tge sardine and anchovy you use now will be a different beast to the versions used 20 or more years ago. Processing plants get updated, bycatchreduced, research going into optimum nutritional yields from processing etc.

My fishmeal has LT94, CPSP90, S&A, krill, GLM and kelp as marine sources, I'm certainly not against blends, what I'm saying is that the same ingredients now are only going to be of a higher quality, if that makes sense?

In reply to Post #99
You could order "BFM mk2" direct which had predig in it, which with a few tweaks went on to become Trigga (ask Ken!)

Caseins are of a high grade now. Most people who sold lactalbumin where selling WPC80 in the bags which is common knowledge.

Dave stated that you could use WPC instead of Lactalbumin, for cost purposes if you are trying to re-create the bait, but it wouldn't be as good. Also the original Sluis CLO had a lot of, funnily enough, Cod Liver Oil in it which he rates as an additive.

I think the point is, if you are saying the current bait is superior when they aren't using the same milks (and Nutralac/Nutrapro mix is nowhere near as good as the original blend), the same fishmeal's (even if they are using LT, it might even be provimi!), the Sluis isn't the same and in your own word, Robin Red is now mainly dye - its not even the same bait!

In reply to Post #100
BAF have started selling low temp S & A, as well as the regular stuff. Looks an interesting product

In reply to Post #100
If you can't get hold of certain products anymore. ingredients have changed so much in that space of time and with having to replace things with other products when does it stop being BFM?. The BFM of now is totally different to the BFM of then.

In reply to Post #101
I'll succeed the point there, I made a lot of assumptions about nutrabaits integrity on that one.

I was more meaning there is no chance of genuine trigga, where as BFM you can still make ? And if made genuinely, would include the right things at the right levels. Robin red, in my opinion, needs two things added to it thou shall not name to bring it back to a reasonable product, but to be honest I'm really looking forward to trying to make something very decent as an alternative for a few hone rolling customers

In reply to Post #101
Dave stated that you could use WPC instead of Lactalbumin, for cost purposes

Where can you buy GENUINE Lactalbumin nowadays, as WPC80 seems to be sold, or used as a substitute ?
Can only think of CCMoore offering it, that the home roller can buy.

His thoughts on what bait/base for the rest of your days... milk proteins or fishmeals was an interesting one.

In reply to Post #105
Sent a message. Dare not put anything on here too many forum users like to dig lol

In reply to Post #106
Thank you

In reply to Post #93
Your spot on with that last paragraph

Rennet, 30 mesh, lactalbumin, calcium caseinate, sluis clo, robin red, sardine&anchovy, white fish meal, capelin meal, kelp meal

Actually, when I think about it I was using the same bait in the late 80's before we could buy pre mixed base mixes.
Ingredients out of the back of a Escort XR3i, mixed 30/30/40, glug of Nodd oil and some Peach Melba. Lovely.

In reply to Post #109
Oh my were you on darenth

In reply to Post #110
Nah, Fordwich 😂

I was only 3 at the time.......

In reply to Post #111
😁 3

In reply to Post #105
Whey protein Concentrate is Lactalbumin.
When I used to buy it from New Zealand Milk Products near Crewe it stated on the sack that it was Soluble Lactalbumin
We mainly used and still do use it as a binder/hardener but it is still Lactalbumin.
I have looked at CC.Moores site in the past and it always said that their Lactalbumin was a good binder / hardener so I simply assumed it was and is WPC .
The product that we also purchased from NZ milk proteins was Lactol 80 ( think that was was it was called from memory) this was / is Lactalbumin , a bland white powder with absolutely no binding or hardening ability.
When Bacarel took on the NZMP customers they stopped stocking the Lactol80 due to lack of demand ,though they did import some a year later for a large customer after they rang me to see if I would buy the balance N.B. some years ago and long gone.

In reply to Post #113

In reply to Post #113
Protarmor 80 from Armor Proteines....This is the WPC80 sold by Bacarel for the last few years.

From the spec sheets

Total Protein
- Betalactoglobulin 60%
- Alphalactalbumin 20%
- BSA (Bovine Serum Albumin) 8%
- IgG (Immunoglobulin) 10%
- Lactoferin 1%
- Others 1

In reply to Post #100
I have been buying fish meal by the multiple tonnes per year for over 40 years it all looks the same now as it has over the years ,the only thing that has happened is the guaranteed or declared spec has been reduced where 66% protein
was the standard it is now 64 or 65% or lower, but that does not mean that what is contained in the bag is not higher ,in protein.
So no Sardine and Anchovy ,white fish ,Menhaden (if you can get it ) will all be pretty much the same ,or if anything a little less oil content due to technical advances.
LT90, PDFM and Krill all pretty much the same for over 25 years.

In reply to Post #116
It's much much more consistent now than it was 15 years ago. I've only being buying tonnes a year since about 2014 when I started the current business

In reply to Post #1
I am back in carp fishing after a 20 years plus break. I started back at the end of September fishing a water with not too many carp and a good head of catfish. I had several bait firms in mind but decided to go back to the company I used in the past. I chose Nutrabaits Co-De ready mades direct from Nutrabaits.
The results have been very good over the last 2 months, only fishing day sessions catching 16 carp and only 3 catfish thankfully as I am not keen on them.I can't speak for any of their other current baits as I have not used them. Their pricing is higher than other baits I had on my list, but I am very happy so far.

In reply to Post #118
I like nutrabaits as I liked the ingredients they had so you could make a bait that you could be sure no one else was using,but reading on here and knowing bill sold up a while ago it's obvious a lot has changed so I'm the end I went onto dna baits and have stuck with them ever since