I never thought I would ever post in this section, but here we are!
will royal mail be with us in 2023?
I'm amazed retailers and other are still sending stuff from this rapidly more unreliable outfit.
speaking to posties around me indicate they are not generally in favour of strike action, but feel the company is being made to fail and asset stripped before the end, thus avoiding big redundancy payouts and pension commitments.
except of course for the top echelons.
I would welcome any opinions but do not seek to vilify any posties that may be forum members.
will royal mail be with us in 2023?
I'm amazed retailers and other are still sending stuff from this rapidly more unreliable outfit.
speaking to posties around me indicate they are not generally in favour of strike action, but feel the company is being made to fail and asset stripped before the end, thus avoiding big redundancy payouts and pension commitments.
except of course for the top echelons.
I would welcome any opinions but do not seek to vilify any posties that may be forum members.
Never thought i'd see the day when the average working person would find themselves in poverty. A down right national scandal and a downright disgrace.
From: https://www.cwu.org/rmgstrikeinfo
Our Royal Mail members have also voted by 98.7% on a 72.2% turnout for strike action in defence of our Pathway to Change national agreement.
I know a couple of posties, they work their backsides off and deserve far better than they're getting. Just like the nurses, firemen, teachers etc etc.
Our Royal Mail members have also voted by 98.7% on a 72.2% turnout for strike action in defence of our Pathway to Change national agreement.
I know a couple of posties, they work their backsides off and deserve far better than they're getting. Just like the nurses, firemen, teachers etc etc.
In reply to Post #3
Lawyers got a 15% pay rise this year
Lawyers got a 15% pay rise this year
Ordered several items over the past few weeks in the knowledge that those companies i have ordered from use Royal Mail. They inform the Customer of potential delays due to strikes and i guess in a way they're supportive of them getting a fair deal too. I suppose that way they can also gauge the support or lack of for them.
What an absolute 5h1t show of a mess that this government has bought this country to.
What an absolute 5h1t show of a mess that this government has bought this country to.
In reply to Post #5
Isn't the Royal Mail a private company these days?
I doubt we'd see as much bed wetting if say Yodel came out on strike.
Isn't the Royal Mail a private company these days?
I doubt we'd see as much bed wetting if say Yodel came out on strike.
In reply to Post #6
Anyone that's suffering from poor working conditions and sh*te pay deserve better.
What bed wetting is going on? Obviously excluding your own Sunday night escapades.
Anyone that's suffering from poor working conditions and sh*te pay deserve better.
What bed wetting is going on? Obviously excluding your own Sunday night escapades.
In reply to Post #6
It is yes.
It is yes.
In reply to Post #7
Anyone with **** pay and poor working conditions can get another job if they don't like it.
As in any industry or business if things are that bad then the headline would be about them having no staff or at least struggling to employ people.
Good luck to them, not coming out of the tax payers purse is it.
Anyone with **** pay and poor working conditions can get another job if they don't like it.
As in any industry or business if things are that bad then the headline would be about them having no staff or at least struggling to employ people.
Good luck to them, not coming out of the tax payers purse is it.
In reply to Post #8
Does anyone send a letter these days?
Can only see it decreasing as time goes on.
Does anyone send a letter these days?
Can only see it decreasing as time goes on.
In reply to Post #4
They had to fight hard for it too.
The headline doesn't tell the whole story in terms of the hourly rate and the way they do - eventually- get paid when cases complete.
Royal mail staff are also deserving of a pay rise IMHO
The sell off was a joke and the CEO is another selfish greedy git who would probably be in the 'if you don't like it, go get another job' camp. Which of course is just bullying in another form.
They had to fight hard for it too.
The headline doesn't tell the whole story in terms of the hourly rate and the way they do - eventually- get paid when cases complete.
Royal mail staff are also deserving of a pay rise IMHO
The sell off was a joke and the CEO is another selfish greedy git who would probably be in the 'if you don't like it, go get another job' camp. Which of course is just bullying in another form.
In reply to Post #11
Bullying 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Bullying 🤣🤣🤣🤣
In reply to Post #1
Lots of businesses are having to adjust to pre pandemic levels you can see profits up in the last two years but the leaders know the business has to modernise as many facets are on a downward trend.
And they have to look after their shareholders
Lots of businesses are having to adjust to pre pandemic levels you can see profits up in the last two years but the leaders know the business has to modernise as many facets are on a downward trend.
And they have to look after their shareholders
In reply to Post #13
For sure those Czech billionaires need looking after in these tough times.
For sure those Czech billionaires need looking after in these tough times.
In reply to Post #14
What about the pension companies that own millions of shares who's dividends go to pay our pensioners?
That doesn't suit your narrative though does it, tell the whole story.
What about the pension companies that own millions of shares who's dividends go to pay our pensioners?
That doesn't suit your narrative though does it, tell the whole story.
In reply to Post #15
What about what about....You know whose pulling the string's numpty
What about what about....You know whose pulling the string's numpty
In reply to Post #14
Welcome to the real world of working for companies traded on the stock market.
Same for me but a US company.
Shareholders love them or hate them - they bring financial security but it's not without its costs.
As teddybear said if folk don't like it they can move on.
Welcome to the real world of working for companies traded on the stock market.
Same for me but a US company.
Shareholders love them or hate them - they bring financial security but it's not without its costs.
As teddybear said if folk don't like it they can move on.
In reply to Post #17
There's vastly different types of shareholders mate, your not that daft. As said in post #1 about asset stripers in former and currently profitable, former state owned companies are rife.
We've had Brexit done now so we can take back control of Jonny Foreigner rinsing the UK, putting working Brits on the breadline
Step forward Sir Keir Corbyn
There's vastly different types of shareholders mate, your not that daft. As said in post #1 about asset stripers in former and currently profitable, former state owned companies are rife.
We've had Brexit done now so we can take back control of Jonny Foreigner rinsing the UK, putting working Brits on the breadline
Step forward Sir Keir Corbyn
In reply to Post #18
You are hilarious....
We've a special couple of characters who've turned up on the jungle thread they'd welcome you with open arms
You are hilarious....
We've a special couple of characters who've turned up on the jungle thread they'd welcome you with open arms
In reply to Post #18
Tell all about these assets that are being stripped?
Foreigners rinsing the UK? No one made them buy British companies in part or whole?
Labour won't do anything different, the markets wouldn't like it and we all know what happens if they react.
What with Labour and Keith being so Blue the Left don't have a home anymore, that's what hurts the most.
Tell all about these assets that are being stripped?
Foreigners rinsing the UK? No one made them buy British companies in part or whole?
Labour won't do anything different, the markets wouldn't like it and we all know what happens if they react.
What with Labour and Keith being so Blue the Left don't have a home anymore, that's what hurts the most.
Good job I use one of Keith's Carbon Trident pods locked up. 
In reply to Post #21
Don't forget that the 'if people are in terrible working conditions and on sh** pay, they should just move on to somewhere else' mantra only applies if those people aren't moving on across the channel to find that better opportunity. In that case then it's 'get the snipers on the white cliffs' ...
Don't forget that the 'if people are in terrible working conditions and on sh** pay, they should just move on to somewhere else' mantra only applies if those people aren't moving on across the channel to find that better opportunity. In that case then it's 'get the snipers on the white cliffs' ...
I'm informed, [from 3 different posties who serve my area], the letters side of royal mail don't make enough profit, the parcels on the other hand are profitable, but not without competitors.
profits are what it's about these days.
my postie also says the postal service was started by none other than Henry V111 500 years ago.
she has been my postie for 23 years, she is quite happy with her salary, earns every penny as I see it.
the new regimes that are being attempted to implement,,, not so much.
profits are what it's about these days.
my postie also says the postal service was started by none other than Henry V111 500 years ago.
she has been my postie for 23 years, she is quite happy with her salary, earns every penny as I see it.
the new regimes that are being attempted to implement,,, not so much.
In reply to Post #23
Pretty much hit the nail on the head, my son is a postie he started there at 17 still there at 27 just about, I dont think he'll be there much longer he considered the voluntary redundancy offered to all the other week when they were all asked by email with the caveat that they would not necessarily get it, they had so many accept it they practically had to withdraw it as they wouldn't of had a workforce the following week which paints a picture of how most of the employees are feeling about the new implementations they're trying to force through most are happy with the pay that's not the issue.
There so understaffed at our local branch and they're looking at voluntary redundancies makes no sense, they've barely got a workforce now they're filling the shortfall by having to pay triple the rate of a posties pay to agency's to fill the shortfall in staffing levels, man in a van at weekends delivering a dozen parcels for a £150.00 notes a day not far short as twice as much as a postie gets at an hourly standard rate over eight hours.
Pretty much hit the nail on the head, my son is a postie he started there at 17 still there at 27 just about, I dont think he'll be there much longer he considered the voluntary redundancy offered to all the other week when they were all asked by email with the caveat that they would not necessarily get it, they had so many accept it they practically had to withdraw it as they wouldn't of had a workforce the following week which paints a picture of how most of the employees are feeling about the new implementations they're trying to force through most are happy with the pay that's not the issue.
There so understaffed at our local branch and they're looking at voluntary redundancies makes no sense, they've barely got a workforce now they're filling the shortfall by having to pay triple the rate of a posties pay to agency's to fill the shortfall in staffing levels, man in a van at weekends delivering a dozen parcels for a £150.00 notes a day not far short as twice as much as a postie gets at an hourly standard rate over eight hours.
In reply to Post #24
They don't pay agencies triple the wages, that's absolute rubbish.
As an example mail sorters through the agencies in severnbeach have a basic salary of £11.99 meaning Royal Mail pay their staff £3.99 an hour? Oh andthe agencies have a 49p margin per hour.
They don't pay agencies triple the wages, that's absolute rubbish.
As an example mail sorters through the agencies in severnbeach have a basic salary of £11.99 meaning Royal Mail pay their staff £3.99 an hour? Oh andthe agencies have a 49p margin per hour.
In reply to Post #11
Royal mail staff are also deserving of a pay rise IMHO
Where will that come from?
Everybody deserves a pay rise, how will we fund it?
1. Assassinate successful people
2. 50/50
3. Call a friend
4. Pay everybody in the U.K. 50k
5. Shut schools and colleges down, make education irrelevant (that's you ****ed)
Any other ideas
They could also live in a communist country where the people get **** all and exploited for the minority who are filthy rich?
People just think it's an endless cash pot
Royal mail staff are also deserving of a pay rise IMHO
Where will that come from?
Everybody deserves a pay rise, how will we fund it?
1. Assassinate successful people
2. 50/50
3. Call a friend
4. Pay everybody in the U.K. 50k
5. Shut schools and colleges down, make education irrelevant (that's you ****ed)
Any other ideas
They could also live in a communist country where the people get **** all and exploited for the minority who are filthy rich?
People just think it's an endless cash pot
In reply to Post #26
Agreed like the majority of us they are now work in the private sector yes where's my inflation busting pay rise I deserve it 😂
No I was happy with what I got.
Agreed like the majority of us they are now work in the private sector yes where's my inflation busting pay rise I deserve it 😂
No I was happy with what I got.
In reply to Post #27
You will get that only when the adults in charge tell you that you can have that, come back in 2025. The business climate is killing us, or you can threaten to leave and take your chances
Privatisation = washing our hands of it = hading it over to shareholders who are trying to make a killing from it = maximum profits with minimum outlay = were ****ed if you worked there = no pay rises, cuts = the people in charge of the country are ****ing clueless
You will get that only when the adults in charge tell you that you can have that, come back in 2025. The business climate is killing us, or you can threaten to leave and take your chances
Privatisation = washing our hands of it = hading it over to shareholders who are trying to make a killing from it = maximum profits with minimum outlay = were ****ed if you worked there = no pay rises, cuts = the people in charge of the country are ****ing clueless
In reply to Post #27
No I was happy with what I got.
How dare you!
You don't work for the Royal Mail by any chance do you?
No I was happy with what I got.
How dare you!
You don't work for the Royal Mail by any chance do you?
In reply to Post #26
No
Not everyone does deserve a pay rise. Parliament is a key example.
There's money to be raised by a more balanced distribution of wealth.
Removal of non dom status / tax avoidance .
Proper taxation of multi billion companies who conveniently have offshore head offices.
There are solutions but the greedy at the top of the money pile aren't for looking at them are they?
And your communist country example... doesn't that sound very familiar?
No
Not everyone does deserve a pay rise. Parliament is a key example.
There's money to be raised by a more balanced distribution of wealth.
Removal of non dom status / tax avoidance .
Proper taxation of multi billion companies who conveniently have offshore head offices.
There are solutions but the greedy at the top of the money pile aren't for looking at them are they?
And your communist country example... doesn't that sound very familiar?
In reply to Post #30
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In reply to Post #31
Yes where's my micro violin.
Scozza nooo big US company with loads of shareholders 👍🏼
I don't have time to bleat no union no bs...
Yes where's my micro violin.
Scozza nooo big US company with loads of shareholders 👍🏼
I don't have time to bleat no union no bs...
Jaguar Land Rover staff received a 12.3% negotiated rise in September.
The firm I currently work for agreed a negotiated 8% rise in August. 10% increase in bonus payments and have brought forward 2023 payrise to January with a 6% rise.
They'll keep their highly trained staff and be stronger going forward than the zombie firms some of the cap doffers on here work for.
The firm I currently work for agreed a negotiated 8% rise in August. 10% increase in bonus payments and have brought forward 2023 payrise to January with a 6% rise.
They'll keep their highly trained staff and be stronger going forward than the zombie firms some of the cap doffers on here work for.
In reply to Post #33
How do you get a bonus pushing a broom around?
How do you get a bonus pushing a broom around?
In reply to Post #34
Can't be arsed competing with you for work.
Can't be arsed competing with you for work.
In reply to Post #35
Which union are you in?
Which union are you in?
In reply to Post #33
JLR have been laying off folk for years due to flagging US sales.
They have jumped back on the EV bandwagon after cancelling plans in 2021
https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/jaguar/xj/107334/electric-jaguar-xj-plans-axed-last-minute
The EV bubble is busting due to cost of vehicles and high consumer energy costs.
Coupled with dropping consumer demand.
My German prestige hybrid cost 25% more than the petrol variant and with the weight of the batteries is like driving with two large chaps permanently in situ.. and a tiny fuel tank so I have to fill up even more..
All the wage increases means is they will sooner have to trim rather than later.
Anyone whom works in the automotive sector is in for a bumpy ride...
JLR have been laying off folk for years due to flagging US sales.
They have jumped back on the EV bandwagon after cancelling plans in 2021
https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/jaguar/xj/107334/electric-jaguar-xj-plans-axed-last-minute
The EV bubble is busting due to cost of vehicles and high consumer energy costs.
Coupled with dropping consumer demand.
My German prestige hybrid cost 25% more than the petrol variant and with the weight of the batteries is like driving with two large chaps permanently in situ.. and a tiny fuel tank so I have to fill up even more..
All the wage increases means is they will sooner have to trim rather than later.
Anyone whom works in the automotive sector is in for a bumpy ride...
In reply to Post #37
They make **** cars too
They make **** cars too
In reply to Post #36
Do ASDA have one ?
Do ASDA have one ?
In reply to Post #36
The any payrise less than the rate of inflation is a standard of living cut one. You?
The any payrise less than the rate of inflation is a standard of living cut one. You?
In reply to Post #37
So negative on cutting edge UK Manufacturing all the time Jason and now Top Gun Teddy, It's noted.
So negative on cutting edge UK Manufacturing all the time Jason and now Top Gun Teddy, It's noted.
In reply to Post #40
I'm in the top tax rate.
I'm in the top tax rate.
In reply to Post #41
I work in the industry. Uk manufacturing declines year on year
I work in the industry. Uk manufacturing declines year on year
In reply to Post #43
Even more so lately...
And we import two thirds of our cheese...
Even more so lately...
And we import two thirds of our cheese...
In reply to Post #40
Doesn't it depend on your standard of living before inflation went up?
Doesn't it depend on your standard of living before inflation went up?
In reply to Post #45
Exactly ... clearly notalot of thought....
Exactly ... clearly notalot of thought....
In reply to Post #45
Your standard of living would have been keeping up with inflation, possibly bettering it numpty
Your standard of living would have been keeping up with inflation, possibly bettering it numpty
In reply to Post #44
That's a disgrace
Still if you don't make anything the upside is your VIP mates in the Lord's can make a few bob....
That's a disgrace
Still if you don't make anything the upside is your VIP mates in the Lord's can make a few bob....
In reply to Post #44
We have excellent R&D in the uk though the west as a whole over decades has outsourced to Asia, Eastern Europe and other developing continents and they have been able to invest and improve on such processes meaning it will not change - look where Apple make their products...
We have excellent R&D in the uk though the west as a whole over decades has outsourced to Asia, Eastern Europe and other developing continents and they have been able to invest and improve on such processes meaning it will not change - look where Apple make their products...
In reply to Post #48
Do you understand manufacturing ?
Do you understand manufacturing ?
In reply to Post #47
Inflation has had no impact on my standard of living and hasn't for many other people.
I appreciate it has for others but don't be fooled into thinking the whole country is on its knee's.
I appreciate you're a Lefty so you have a desperate hunger for negativity, you seek it out and it seeks you out.
Imported cheese, I've been eating it for years if you want a good Brie it has to be French doesn't it. You can't beat a good Long Clawson Stilton mind you, my favourite, Aldi have it in the jars right now ready for Christmas give it a try.
Inflation has had no impact on my standard of living and hasn't for many other people.
I appreciate it has for others but don't be fooled into thinking the whole country is on its knee's.
I appreciate you're a Lefty so you have a desperate hunger for negativity, you seek it out and it seeks you out.
Imported cheese, I've been eating it for years if you want a good Brie it has to be French doesn't it. You can't beat a good Long Clawson Stilton mind you, my favourite, Aldi have it in the jars right now ready for Christmas give it a try.
In reply to Post #50
Of course he doesn't but his mate Mal can help him spell it 👍
Of course he doesn't but his mate Mal can help him spell it 👍
I got lots of lovely post today,just saying. 
In reply to Post #49
look where Apple make their products
That would be the “prison camp” called Foxcon
Thankfully due to U.K. law and legislation we are in a much better place from a humanity perspective
Business in this country and the country as a whole is ****ed, increasing costs all take the toll on the bottom line and when we are paying people a minimum wage, rightly so we have not got a cat in hells chance of competing with countries that let their people get exploited and pay them £1 hour. most of the profit margins are on labour, cost competitiveness, couple this with protecting our people against strict legislation, like a bloke once said to me, health and safety will shut this country down (£) UK business and European have not got a chance, what is the first thing they will do, cost saving incentives. No wonder pay rises are under such scrutiny in a lot of businesses, it could be make or break!
Better off been a civil servant and jumping on the annual strike bandwagon demanding a pay rise every year, the odds are more in your favour
look where Apple make their products
That would be the “prison camp” called Foxcon
Thankfully due to U.K. law and legislation we are in a much better place from a humanity perspective
Business in this country and the country as a whole is ****ed, increasing costs all take the toll on the bottom line and when we are paying people a minimum wage, rightly so we have not got a cat in hells chance of competing with countries that let their people get exploited and pay them £1 hour. most of the profit margins are on labour, cost competitiveness, couple this with protecting our people against strict legislation, like a bloke once said to me, health and safety will shut this country down (£) UK business and European have not got a chance, what is the first thing they will do, cost saving incentives. No wonder pay rises are under such scrutiny in a lot of businesses, it could be make or break!
Better off been a civil servant and jumping on the annual strike bandwagon demanding a pay rise every year, the odds are more in your favour
In reply to Post #54
“Thankfully due to U.K. law and legislation we are in a much better place from a humanity perspective”
That great inventor James Dyson moved all his manufacturing to Malaysia...
Nearly 70% of the world semiconductors are made in Asia.
Very few volume products (be it consumer / industrial) are made in the uk
Have you ever actually visited mainland China it makes the UK look like the stone age
Over the 25 years I've been going there it's changed dramatically.and will continue to do benefit.
I'm not saying it's right or wrong but everything costs.
At least some good news It looks like the government are moving against strikes 👍🏼
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-63885549
“Thankfully due to U.K. law and legislation we are in a much better place from a humanity perspective”
That great inventor James Dyson moved all his manufacturing to Malaysia...
Nearly 70% of the world semiconductors are made in Asia.
Very few volume products (be it consumer / industrial) are made in the uk
Have you ever actually visited mainland China it makes the UK look like the stone age
Over the 25 years I've been going there it's changed dramatically.and will continue to do benefit.
I'm not saying it's right or wrong but everything costs.
At least some good news It looks like the government are moving against strikes 👍🏼
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-63885549
In reply to Post #55
I take it you aren't in favour of the NHS staff taking action then?
Imagine they instead take your advice to move on to another job. There's already a huge recruitment problem. Doctors and nurses leaving. Broken promises and missed staffing targets from government. So it eventually falls apart. The answer?
Privatisation? I wonder who will get the contracts eh?
If I was one of those conspiracy types, it would look like it's all part of a plan...
Those lovely cuddly tories removing rights to protest and withdraw labour... scozza's not far wrong in his description of a society- he just hasn't seen yet that it's happening here
NHS...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-63890726
I take it you aren't in favour of the NHS staff taking action then?
Imagine they instead take your advice to move on to another job. There's already a huge recruitment problem. Doctors and nurses leaving. Broken promises and missed staffing targets from government. So it eventually falls apart. The answer?
Privatisation? I wonder who will get the contracts eh?
If I was one of those conspiracy types, it would look like it's all part of a plan...
Those lovely cuddly tories removing rights to protest and withdraw labour... scozza's not far wrong in his description of a society- he just hasn't seen yet that it's happening here
NHS...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-63890726
In reply to Post #55
Great. Incapable of solving a problem, so proposes further authoritarianism instead. Utterly useless, just like his four predecessors. He says he's standing up for "working people" yet is so spectacularly dim that he completely overlooks the fact that Teachers, Nurses, Firemen, Rail Staff are working people. Fact is, support for strikers is absolutely resolute, so this is another culture war distraction from a Govt. in its death throes that can't be won.
Great. Incapable of solving a problem, so proposes further authoritarianism instead. Utterly useless, just like his four predecessors. He says he's standing up for "working people" yet is so spectacularly dim that he completely overlooks the fact that Teachers, Nurses, Firemen, Rail Staff are working people. Fact is, support for strikers is absolutely resolute, so this is another culture war distraction from a Govt. in its death throes that can't be won.
In reply to Post #56
Double post
Double post
In reply to Post #56
Absolutely not in favour of the NHS striking - is it sadly all about money ? are telling me that everyone in the NHS deserves the same pay rise.
It seems to me everyone in the public sector is jumping on the same bandwagon...
If all the public sector in the UK get their pay rises who is going to pay for it - oh let me guess the impoverished private sector...
You need to work in the real world, sadly you've become institutionalized...
Absolutely not in favour of the NHS striking - is it sadly all about money ? are telling me that everyone in the NHS deserves the same pay rise.
It seems to me everyone in the public sector is jumping on the same bandwagon...
If all the public sector in the UK get their pay rises who is going to pay for it - oh let me guess the impoverished private sector...
You need to work in the real world, sadly you've become institutionalized...
In reply to Post #56
The spokesperson could not give any concrete details on how Labour might handle the negotiations differently, however. They refused to call on the government to provide more money to departments, and would not say if the party would introduce any new legislation should they win the next election.
Labour opposes some proposed new rules, which would force public transport workers to provide set minimum levels of service. But Starmer's spokesperson would not commit to repealing them if elected.
The above is from yesterday's Guardian, even the Lefty Labour Party are unwilling to support the strikes, creosote Keith is a true Blue👍
And the reason why they aren't is because the majority of the public are pissed off with the Left
As stated below and before a few on here are institutionalised and have no grasp of reality.
The spokesperson could not give any concrete details on how Labour might handle the negotiations differently, however. They refused to call on the government to provide more money to departments, and would not say if the party would introduce any new legislation should they win the next election.
Labour opposes some proposed new rules, which would force public transport workers to provide set minimum levels of service. But Starmer's spokesperson would not commit to repealing them if elected.
The above is from yesterday's Guardian, even the Lefty Labour Party are unwilling to support the strikes, creosote Keith is a true Blue👍
And the reason why they aren't is because the majority of the public are pissed off with the Left
As stated below and before a few on here are institutionalised and have no grasp of reality.
In reply to Post #59
As we all know, some Nurses are using food banks. This suggests to me that they don't have enough money! Real terms pay has dropped for years now, people must be feeling properly squeezed (obviously not many on here). With inflation sky rocketing, asking for a pay rise that is in line with that will merely keep them on an even keel; not like they'll be in Barbados next summer.
I think that had the Govt. not wasted so much money during Covid (Test and Trace specifically and all of these ridiculous fast lane contracts for mates that are starting to bubble over) then it'd be harder to support the strikers (those in the public sector at least). Those striking in the private sector are seeing their companies posting millions in profits, dividends and senior management absolutely creaming it in; there's funds available to help the staff, but as Mal alludes to it's just being distributed to those at the top of the tree, as usual. F*ck that.
I'd hope that in the long run, these strikes will benefit more and more people; get people paid better, away from food banks, not working several jobs, seeing their kids more. A company that has a happy workforce will be invariably more successful, that's got to be a win-win for everyone.
The strikes inconvenience me; but not as much as it would if I couldn't afford to heat my home or buy my kids some Christmas presents, so I'll keep supporting them.
As we all know, some Nurses are using food banks. This suggests to me that they don't have enough money! Real terms pay has dropped for years now, people must be feeling properly squeezed (obviously not many on here). With inflation sky rocketing, asking for a pay rise that is in line with that will merely keep them on an even keel; not like they'll be in Barbados next summer.
I think that had the Govt. not wasted so much money during Covid (Test and Trace specifically and all of these ridiculous fast lane contracts for mates that are starting to bubble over) then it'd be harder to support the strikers (those in the public sector at least). Those striking in the private sector are seeing their companies posting millions in profits, dividends and senior management absolutely creaming it in; there's funds available to help the staff, but as Mal alludes to it's just being distributed to those at the top of the tree, as usual. F*ck that.
I'd hope that in the long run, these strikes will benefit more and more people; get people paid better, away from food banks, not working several jobs, seeing their kids more. A company that has a happy workforce will be invariably more successful, that's got to be a win-win for everyone.
The strikes inconvenience me; but not as much as it would if I couldn't afford to heat my home or buy my kids some Christmas presents, so I'll keep supporting them.
In reply to Post #60
Labour is not a lefty party. It is unquestionably right of centre and you couldn't get a fag paper between some of the policies that both the Tories and Kier Starmer appear to support.
The public are not pissed off with the left, what a daft assertion given we've had a far-right Government in power ruining the country for 10 years plus. The reason Starmer is so wishy washy is because he's trying to win back some of the gammon Brexit voters.
Labour is not a lefty party. It is unquestionably right of centre and you couldn't get a fag paper between some of the policies that both the Tories and Kier Starmer appear to support.
The public are not pissed off with the left, what a daft assertion given we've had a far-right Government in power ruining the country for 10 years plus. The reason Starmer is so wishy washy is because he's trying to win back some of the gammon Brexit voters.
Just been talking to a couple of our local posties who not only tell me they're on strike tomorrow but also tell me that there be agency staff going in that are on £30 per hour.
It's not about they can't afford to give a pay rise in line with inflation but about can't afford such a paltry drop in their luxurious lifestyles that they've nicely built up on the back of those that have helped them accrue and then maintain it.
Where we you grandad when there were people losing their jobs, homes, and their lives. Did you defend your future generation or did you lie down and take a good shafting just like I'm getting shafted now?.
This government make me sick the corrupt tvvats.
It's not about they can't afford to give a pay rise in line with inflation but about can't afford such a paltry drop in their luxurious lifestyles that they've nicely built up on the back of those that have helped them accrue and then maintain it.
Where we you grandad when there were people losing their jobs, homes, and their lives. Did you defend your future generation or did you lie down and take a good shafting just like I'm getting shafted now?.
This government make me sick the corrupt tvvats.
In reply to Post #61
As we all know, some Nurses are using food banks.
I've heard of that but I find it difficult to believe.
A quick cut and paste
The RCN has estimated that an average NHS nurse's pay is around £34,000.
Here is the current banding scale:
Band 5 – £27,055 to £32,934
Band 6 – £33,706 to £40,588
Band 7 – £41,659 to £47,672
I'm not saying they shouldn't get a pay rise, just find it difficult they need food banks, unless there's exceptional circumstances which let's face it could affect anyone whatever they do as a job.
In reply to Post #63
Are you saying Royal Mail can afford pay rises more than offered?
No doubt they'll up their offer a little but I can see the business shrinking and job losses.
Then grandad will be remembering the good old days.
As we all know, some Nurses are using food banks.
I've heard of that but I find it difficult to believe.
A quick cut and paste
The RCN has estimated that an average NHS nurse's pay is around £34,000.
Here is the current banding scale:
Band 5 – £27,055 to £32,934
Band 6 – £33,706 to £40,588
Band 7 – £41,659 to £47,672
I'm not saying they shouldn't get a pay rise, just find it difficult they need food banks, unless there's exceptional circumstances which let's face it could affect anyone whatever they do as a job.
In reply to Post #63
Are you saying Royal Mail can afford pay rises more than offered?
No doubt they'll up their offer a little but I can see the business shrinking and job losses.
Then grandad will be remembering the good old days.
In reply to Post #64
I could quite believe that anyone on £27k, trying to support a family, run a car, pay bills, mortgage etc is struggling to make ends meet.
Conversely, I'd also find it hard to believe that a nurse earning £47k is using a food bank.
That fits in with what I said: "...some Nurses are using food banks."
The Nurses plight has been amplified because they're unionised and because the NHS is important to everyone. There's obviously lots and lots of people that are not nurses, that are using also using food banks and it would be great if they could get pay rises and not be as dependant on handouts too.
I could quite believe that anyone on £27k, trying to support a family, run a car, pay bills, mortgage etc is struggling to make ends meet.
Conversely, I'd also find it hard to believe that a nurse earning £47k is using a food bank.
That fits in with what I said: "...some Nurses are using food banks."
The Nurses plight has been amplified because they're unionised and because the NHS is important to everyone. There's obviously lots and lots of people that are not nurses, that are using also using food banks and it would be great if they could get pay rises and not be as dependant on handouts too.
In reply to Post #65
Lots of people earn less than £27k and don't go to foodbanks.
Some successful businessmen may lose everything and end up at a foodbanks
Depends on your definition of some I suppose.
Lots of people earn less than £27k and don't go to foodbanks.
Some successful businessmen may lose everything and end up at a foodbanks
Depends on your definition of some I suppose.
In reply to Post #66
Wheres the link to the documented proof that all these nurses are REGULARLY using food banks?
Wheres the link to the documented proof that all these nurses are REGULARLY using food banks?
In reply to Post #67
Tinhat never said they were
Post before only said some and didn't say regularly
I think some are only 1 or 2 wage packets away.
Tinhat never said they were
Post before only said some and didn't say regularly
I think some are only 1 or 2 wage packets away.
In reply to Post #64
Food banks - I see a lot folk from the private sector and first hand have experience of it, but who is helping them ?.
Couple of nurses get highlighted and here we go..l
A lot of people in low paid private sector jobs (with no unions) if they all stopped working in retail / supermarkets then we really would be screwed because these are the folk society seem to forget who do so much for little reward.
Nick Harper made the comment that the taxpayer paid £300K per RMT worker during Covid - and yet the RMT form the picket lines .....
Train capacity is down a long way before Covid . There demands and actions will lead to layoffs at some point.
Food banks - I see a lot folk from the private sector and first hand have experience of it, but who is helping them ?.
Couple of nurses get highlighted and here we go..l
A lot of people in low paid private sector jobs (with no unions) if they all stopped working in retail / supermarkets then we really would be screwed because these are the folk society seem to forget who do so much for little reward.
Nick Harper made the comment that the taxpayer paid £300K per RMT worker during Covid - and yet the RMT form the picket lines .....
Train capacity is down a long way before Covid . There demands and actions will lead to layoffs at some point.
In reply to Post #69
This is what I was alluding to, it's not just nurses but people across the board, all walks of life - the nurses situation is amplified because they're critical workers and strikes are significant news at present.
You make a good point that there's so many people that provide so much, for little reward, and without them we'd be absolutely screwed. But it's easier to demonise, point fingers and call them scroungers; to think a couple of years ago these people were "the best of us", key workers keeping the country going. Amazing how fickle some people can be.
This is what I was alluding to, it's not just nurses but people across the board, all walks of life - the nurses situation is amplified because they're critical workers and strikes are significant news at present.
You make a good point that there's so many people that provide so much, for little reward, and without them we'd be absolutely screwed. But it's easier to demonise, point fingers and call them scroungers; to think a couple of years ago these people were "the best of us", key workers keeping the country going. Amazing how fickle some people can be.
In reply to Post #70
And this is the problem with papers, television and politicians they all seek headlines but forget ....
And this is the problem with papers, television and politicians they all seek headlines but forget ....
In reply to Post #1
So back to post #1
What's the future for Royal Mail?
Not very good is my guess.
Other companies will continue to pick off the profitable bits leaving RM to deliver letters, the cost of a stamp will go up until it becomes profitable for the other companies to deliver them.
So back to post #1
What's the future for Royal Mail?
Not very good is my guess.
Other companies will continue to pick off the profitable bits leaving RM to deliver letters, the cost of a stamp will go up until it becomes profitable for the other companies to deliver them.
In reply to Post #70
What's odd is that the NHS is £350 million per week better off since brexit. Why don't they just use that money?
Oh....
Hang on....
What's odd is that the NHS is £350 million per week better off since brexit. Why don't they just use that money?
Oh....
Hang on....
In reply to Post #72
And there'll be a rise in threads on carp forums about awful dpd/evri/etc. service.. ...
And there'll be a rise in threads on carp forums about awful dpd/evri/etc. service.. ...
In reply to Post #74
Yes although you'll never hear horror stories about Royal Mail delivering rods because they don't deliver them.
Yes although you'll never hear horror stories about Royal Mail delivering rods because they don't deliver them.
In reply to Post #68
I know mate, only asked because he's good with links 🤣
I know mate, only asked because he's good with links 🤣
In reply to Post #73
RMT workers had it all during Covid...
RMT workers had it all during Covid...
In reply to Post #72
Letters will be a thing of the past in ten years. It costs companies etc to send a letter to you so they will all go to email, most institutions are moving that way.
Most of what our postie puts through the door is flyers for shops etc all crap and a complete waste of a good tree.
What the striking posties going to do then.
Letters will be a thing of the past in ten years. It costs companies etc to send a letter to you so they will all go to email, most institutions are moving that way.
Most of what our postie puts through the door is flyers for shops etc all crap and a complete waste of a good tree.
What the striking posties going to do then.
In reply to Post #30
Greedy people at the top.........
Imagine what greedy people involved in pharma would have you believe for profits.......
Proper tax means with drawing from that market........are you a wannabee avatar in the perfect utopia Mal......
Greedy people at the top.........
Imagine what greedy people involved in pharma would have you believe for profits.......
Proper tax means with drawing from that market........are you a wannabee avatar in the perfect utopia Mal......
In reply to Post #50
Cough...
"Overall, the UK's industrial sector has increased by 1.4% a year since 1948, according to a recent report from the Office for National Statistics (ONS).
The ONS attributes the sustained growth to a better quality; more skilled workforce; a shift in production from low to high productivity goods; improvements in automation and technology; increased investment in R&D, and a more integrated global economy. One of the most critical UK manufacturing statistics is the total value of UK manufacturers' product sales, which was £396.6bn in 2019, a fall of 1.2% compared with £401.4bn in 2018.
UK Manufacturing Statistics according to Make UK (formerly EEF), UK manufacturing currently:
employs 2.7 million people – earning an average of £32,500
contributes 11% of GVA
accounts for 45% of total exports – totalling £275bn
represents 69% of business research and development (R&D)
provides 13% of business investment"
These people do. Very profitable and paid higher than the national average Jason.
You keep toddling off to the Chinese, leave the proper stuff to us that understand it and have a longer term view.
Cough...
"Overall, the UK's industrial sector has increased by 1.4% a year since 1948, according to a recent report from the Office for National Statistics (ONS).
The ONS attributes the sustained growth to a better quality; more skilled workforce; a shift in production from low to high productivity goods; improvements in automation and technology; increased investment in R&D, and a more integrated global economy. One of the most critical UK manufacturing statistics is the total value of UK manufacturers' product sales, which was £396.6bn in 2019, a fall of 1.2% compared with £401.4bn in 2018.
UK Manufacturing Statistics according to Make UK (formerly EEF), UK manufacturing currently:
employs 2.7 million people – earning an average of £32,500
contributes 11% of GVA
accounts for 45% of total exports – totalling £275bn
represents 69% of business research and development (R&D)
provides 13% of business investment"
These people do. Very profitable and paid higher than the national average Jason.
You keep toddling off to the Chinese, leave the proper stuff to us that understand it and have a longer term view.
In reply to Post #80
Lol that's a bit of a generalization manufacturing has many facets it's like saying well you're an engineer you can fix my Telly.
I'm talking about the manufacturing of goods that contain electronics being I work in the the industry it's not hard for me to understand but for you ..... clearly the details is something you find hard to grasp....
And do you know exactly who manufactures nearly 70% of the world's semiconductors?
Where the raw materials for the substrates the lead frames and were they do the testing once packaged ?
If I was your employer I'd be asking for that pay rise they gave you back....
Lol that's a bit of a generalization manufacturing has many facets it's like saying well you're an engineer you can fix my Telly.
I'm talking about the manufacturing of goods that contain electronics being I work in the the industry it's not hard for me to understand but for you ..... clearly the details is something you find hard to grasp....
And do you know exactly who manufactures nearly 70% of the world's semiconductors?
Where the raw materials for the substrates the lead frames and were they do the testing once packaged ?
If I was your employer I'd be asking for that pay rise they gave you back....
In reply to Post #81
""Although the contribution of manufacturing to GDP has declined on paper, many of the services provided to manufacturers which would have once been considered part of manufacturing – such as catering; cleaning; building services; security; logistics and so on – are now allocated into different areas of the economy.
However, those contributions are directly reliant on manufacturing for continued business and could actually be considered as a part of manufacturing's GDP input. As such, many are calling for the true value of manufacturing to be recognised, a move which would see the widely cited figure of 10% of GVA more than doubling to 23% and would greatly impact the overall UK manufacturing statistics."
There's some more for you to bluster over.
They're ONS stats not mine.
Still salty about a payrise 🤣. Have a word with your boss, if you're worth it you'll get it.
""Although the contribution of manufacturing to GDP has declined on paper, many of the services provided to manufacturers which would have once been considered part of manufacturing – such as catering; cleaning; building services; security; logistics and so on – are now allocated into different areas of the economy.
However, those contributions are directly reliant on manufacturing for continued business and could actually be considered as a part of manufacturing's GDP input. As such, many are calling for the true value of manufacturing to be recognised, a move which would see the widely cited figure of 10% of GVA more than doubling to 23% and would greatly impact the overall UK manufacturing statistics."
There's some more for you to bluster over.
They're ONS stats not mine.
Still salty about a payrise 🤣. Have a word with your boss, if you're worth it you'll get it.
In reply to Post #82
I'll keep it simple just for you 👍🏼
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/nov/11/decline-of-uk-manufacturing-accelerates-as-government-abandons-sector-brexit
Pay rise as teddy said depends on yourself and background , I don't have mortgage for many years now you ? 😀
I'll keep it simple just for you 👍🏼
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/nov/11/decline-of-uk-manufacturing-accelerates-as-government-abandons-sector-brexit
Pay rise as teddy said depends on yourself and background , I don't have mortgage for many years now you ? 😀
In reply to Post #83
Ah yes, Brexit.
Ah yes, Brexit.
In reply to Post #84
And oceloexit I'm going for a lay down, that lad is entertaining...
And oceloexit I'm going for a lay down, that lad is entertaining...
In reply to Post #83
Probably simpler you reading the article before posting it. That's a Guardian Brexit hatchet article, with a true snapshot in time of 1 month approach for extra spice.
Try googling something more relevant 🤣
Probably simpler you reading the article before posting it. That's a Guardian Brexit hatchet article, with a true snapshot in time of 1 month approach for extra spice.
Try googling something more relevant 🤣
To all you people who are against the strikes, Royal Mail or otherwise.....
Bear in mind your are supporting a society of (what will end up with) immigration workers on \ off (that is short contracts), till the next poor guy (from overseas) comes along.
The only ones who win are the CEO's at the top. The actual service will go downhill, and the poor, born and bred UK white guy will be the worst hit. :(
And as for the NHS....
The current government are pouring trillions into the Ukraine, yet they're not prepared to give the NHS the extreme small percentage (in comparison) .
When you consider some people are waiting hours for an ambulance, that's disproportion.
Bear in mind your are supporting a society of (what will end up with) immigration workers on \ off (that is short contracts), till the next poor guy (from overseas) comes along.
The only ones who win are the CEO's at the top. The actual service will go downhill, and the poor, born and bred UK white guy will be the worst hit. :(
And as for the NHS....
The current government are pouring trillions into the Ukraine, yet they're not prepared to give the NHS the extreme small percentage (in comparison) .
When you consider some people are waiting hours for an ambulance, that's disproportion.
Get used to it under these corrupt Tory cnuts that there's no money in the pot - only fingers.
In reply to Post #87
In reply to Post #87
Get the oil drums lit brother Danny. Cause if you don't stand up to the greed merchants of Jason's no one else will.
Get the oil drums lit brother Danny. Cause if you don't stand up to the greed merchants of Jason's no one else will.
In reply to Post #87
Are you tonights comedy act?
Trillions? Bull **** at Mal levels here . It's £3.8 billion in millitary and economic aid, a small price to pay to keep Putin at bay.
You blame it on the current government whoever was in power would have done the same, Red or Blue.
Are you tonights comedy act?
Trillions? Bull **** at Mal levels here . It's £3.8 billion in millitary and economic aid, a small price to pay to keep Putin at bay.
You blame it on the current government
whoever was in power would have done the same, Red or Blue.
In reply to Post #91
LOL
You believe that?! ...
Johnson was \ is an anti Russian extremist (And Truss), and they totally underfunded the NHS (remember pre Covid? )
This government has never given a damn about the NHS and the less wealthy (fact) .
Apart from the US (obviously), we are the leaders this side of the pond ploughing money into the Ukraine.
Yet, we are now in the sh*t big time.
LOL
You believe that?! ...
Johnson was \ is an anti Russian extremist (And Truss), and they totally underfunded the NHS (remember pre Covid? )
This government has never given a damn about the NHS and the less wealthy (fact) .
Apart from the US (obviously), we are the leaders this side of the pond ploughing money into the Ukraine.
Yet, we are now in the sh*t big time.
In reply to Post #73
What do you think paid for furlough and the railway workers to get full pay during covid?
Lol
What do you think paid for furlough and the railway workers to get full pay during covid?
Lol
In reply to Post #92
Yep i was right you are tonights act.
Make your mind up not so long ago BoJo was pro Russian, apparently they funded the Tory party, that was inside the minds of the Left mind you.
Yep i was right you are tonights act.
Make your mind up not so long ago BoJo was pro Russian, apparently they funded the Tory party, that was inside the minds of the Left mind you.
In reply to Post #93
No, no...
That's what we're all paying for now... (furlough that is) I say 'all' ... of course not if you keep your money offshore like the sunaks...
I saw today that UK border force are also going on strike. No big government witch hunt there of course. That'd be like darth vader attacking his stormtroopers...
I've no problem with people who went to work through lockdown being paid. They went to work...
No, no...
That's what we're all paying for now... (furlough that is) I say 'all' ... of course not if you keep your money offshore like the sunaks...
I saw today that UK border force are also going on strike. No big government witch hunt there of course. That'd be like darth vader attacking his stormtroopers...
I've no problem with people who went to work through lockdown being paid. They went to work...
In reply to Post #95
Yah I saw the border force voted for it as well
Who's next
1/2 fire brigade
Evens old bill
2/1 House of Lords
100/1 the monarchy
Yah I saw the border force voted for it as well
Who's next
1/2 fire brigade
Evens old bill
2/1 House of Lords
100/1 the monarchy
In reply to Post #96
The monarchy
I'd go with the police...
The monarchy
I'd go with the police...
In reply to Post #86
Bugger wrong one such was I in a hurry to get to the curry house.
Here you go ocelot
Don't know where you got those ONS figures or did you edit before posting mr slight of hand 🤔
https://eandt.theiet.org/content/articles/2022/10/uk-manufacturing-sector-shrinks-by-near-10-per-cent-figures-show/
What have I missed 😀 notalot
Bugger wrong one such was I in a hurry to get to the curry house.
Here you go ocelot
Don't know where you got those ONS figures or did you edit before posting mr slight of hand 🤔
https://eandt.theiet.org/content/articles/2022/10/uk-manufacturing-sector-shrinks-by-near-10-per-cent-figures-show/
What have I missed 😀 notalot
In reply to Post #95
Border force don't worry someone will get a picture of their poor souls at a food bank 👍🏼
Border force don't worry someone will get a picture of their poor souls at a food bank 👍🏼
In reply to Post #96
Lefty Labour councils ?
Lefty Labour councils ?
In reply to Post #98
Wrong one my arse. You get rumbled all the time
Wrong one my arse. You get rumbled all the time
In reply to Post #101
Clearly not read the article.
Lovely curry last night.
Clearly not read the article.
Lovely curry last night.
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