What you guys paying for fuel ? At current moment I'm paying £1.98.9 for diesel in my local shell garage for work for my work van as have a company fuel card that can use at shell garages. Done 2 top up today. 1st one had just over half tank and put £76 in. Then this afternoon had to fill it up as fuel ligight come on and put £17.80 in it. Where before same garage use to on cost about £75 for a full tank. I normally use sainsbury for my personal car and putting about £80 in it to fill up where was only about £60 at a push
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It's two pounds and 3 pence a litre ,in my local garage ..
They will go out of business soon,as they are moorland situated,as locals are accusing them of profiteering now..
Remember,fuel prices are just the tip.of what's coming,...the precourser to the main event ,possibly..
History has dictated,nothing is new under the sun..
It's two pounds and 3 pence a litre ,in my local garage ..
They will go out of business soon,as they are moorland situated,as locals are accusing them of profiteering now..
Remember,fuel prices are just the tip.of what's coming,...the precourser to the main event ,possibly..
History has dictated,nothing is new under the sun..
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History has dictated,nothing is new under the sun..
Indeed. Daft old codgers used to wander round holding 'The End Is Nigh' signs. Nowadays they've got broadband.
History has dictated,nothing is new under the sun..
Indeed. Daft old codgers used to wander round holding 'The End Is Nigh' signs. Nowadays they've got broadband.
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There is none so blind as those who will not see..
There is none so blind as those who will not see..
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One word, extortionate
Two more, ****ing ridiculous
Who's to blame, the Russians or the oil company's spanking our arse while they can before they come a thing of the distant past when electric puts the once great powerhouses of the world out of business
Wonder where the government will get the tax and fuel duty back from
One word, extortionate
Two more, ****ing ridiculous
Who's to blame, the Russians or the oil company's spanking our arse while they can before they come a thing of the distant past when electric puts the once great powerhouses of the world out of business
Wonder where the government will get the tax and fuel duty back from
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Electric companies
Electric companies
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Those great power houses are paying record dividends to major share holder while still buying into the electric energy market. Government don't care because the more we pay for fuel the more they get back in duty ect. Food prices increase same as everything due to transport cost more money again for government, its a win win. Who suffers most the lowest earners but hay the deserve it for voting for brexit but we don't need to increase wages as plenty of immigrants coming in daily to take their jobs if they don't want to work for minimum wage.
Those great power houses are paying record dividends to major share holder while still buying into the electric energy market. Government don't care because the more we pay for fuel the more they get back in duty ect. Food prices increase same as everything due to transport cost more money again for government, its a win win. Who suffers most the lowest earners but hay the deserve it for voting for brexit but we don't need to increase wages as plenty of immigrants coming in daily to take their jobs if they don't want to work for minimum wage.
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Government will care when its losing about 75p? (Google) for every litre of fuel sold, that's fuel duty and tax when everything goes over to electric, expect some taxing elsewhere!
Government will care when its losing about 75p? (Google) for every litre of fuel sold, that's fuel duty and tax when everything goes over to electric, expect some taxing elsewhere!
Big push to get people buying electric cars that cost a fortune to run, fortune to repair and do as much damage to the planet as fossil fuels due to the mining needed to make batteries....... 
Makes you wonder why they don't push hard for self charging hybrids......
Makes you wonder why they don't push hard for self charging hybrids......
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When their is a significant increase in the number of cars on the road that are not using fossil fuels we'll all be paying per mile. - get ready for those black boxes to be fitted.
Fuel prices will probably stay high maybe till the end of the year, when Covid hit global demand for crude oil went down and the big companies shut many refineries, the problem with trying to reopen them is one thing as many need significant works to reopen, but a lot of the staff retrained & completely left the industry - so the price is going to remain high for quite some time.
When their is a significant increase in the number of cars on the road that are not using fossil fuels we'll all be paying per mile. - get ready for those black boxes to be fitted.
Fuel prices will probably stay high maybe till the end of the year, when Covid hit global demand for crude oil went down and the big companies shut many refineries, the problem with trying to reopen them is one thing as many need significant works to reopen, but a lot of the staff retrained & completely left the industry - so the price is going to remain high for quite some time.
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Government give businesses very good tax breaks to go pure electric that's probably one of the biggest reasons for the increase.
If you are a company car driver it's hybrid or pure electric - hybrid vs the petrol is half the company car tax, pure electric zero company car tax (albeit the employees are responsible for charging - though many companies have charge points at their offices (again £££ encouraged by the government) employees can take advantage of - so a very nice perk
So most cars are company lease or private so you just give the keys back at the end of the lease.
Self charging cars just aren't tax efficient and they can only do less than 5 miles on electric only as the batteries are tiny.
Government give businesses very good tax breaks to go pure electric that's probably one of the biggest reasons for the increase.
If you are a company car driver it's hybrid or pure electric - hybrid vs the petrol is half the company car tax, pure electric zero company car tax (albeit the employees are responsible for charging - though many companies have charge points at their offices (again £££ encouraged by the government) employees can take advantage of - so a very nice perk
So most cars are company lease or private so you just give the keys back at the end of the lease.
Self charging cars just aren't tax efficient and they can only do less than 5 miles on electric only as the batteries are tiny.
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Must admit, it does seem like an industry that rises with the tide and falls with it, making billions then on its arse
Must admit, it does seem like an industry that rises with the tide and falls with it, making billions then on its arse
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You do realise that the majority of lithium nowadays isn't mined it's produced from brine?
Not expensive to run, 1% BIK for me thats about £500 compared to my old petrol car which was nearly £3k fr a car worth about 20k less. £0 road tax, my estimated fuel bill for this year is less than £300.
I can offset 130% of the vehicle off against corporation tax, reducing my tax bill.
How can they cost a fortune to repair unless its the battery as it's still a car?
I'm assuming you wrote this using either a mobile phone or computer, you are aware they have lithium and cobalt in?
You do realise that the majority of lithium nowadays isn't mined it's produced from brine?
Not expensive to run, 1% BIK for me thats about £500 compared to my old petrol car which was nearly £3k fr a car worth about 20k less. £0 road tax, my estimated fuel bill for this year is less than £300.
I can offset 130% of the vehicle off against corporation tax, reducing my tax bill.
How can they cost a fortune to repair unless its the battery as it's still a car?
I'm assuming you wrote this using either a mobile phone or computer, you are aware they have lithium and cobalt in?
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Re below.
You do realise that the majority of lithium nowadays isn't mined it's produced from brine?
Simply not true, copied from a study of lithium production.
See below, a list of reasons why hard rock lithium is becoming the more common source of lithium production rather than brines:
More flexibility, the lithium hosted in spodumene can be processed into either lithium hydroxide or lithium carbonate. Brines initially can only be processed into carbonate, and then can be further processed into hydroxide however at an additional cost
Faster processing, brines can take a lot longer to process due to the evaporation required making for an inconsistent process compared to spodumene
Higher quality, spodumene typically hosts higher lithium content in comparison to most brines
Geographic location, rock minerals are way more homogeneously distributed on earth with deposits on each continent's
Comparable costs, while each mining operation may have its own defining factors regarding profitability the hard-rock operations utilize low-cost traditional mining techniques
Re below.
You do realise that the majority of lithium nowadays isn't mined it's produced from brine?
Simply not true, copied from a study of lithium production.
See below, a list of reasons why hard rock lithium is becoming the more common source of lithium production rather than brines:
More flexibility, the lithium hosted in spodumene can be processed into either lithium hydroxide or lithium carbonate. Brines initially can only be processed into carbonate, and then can be further processed into hydroxide however at an additional cost
Faster processing, brines can take a lot longer to process due to the evaporation required making for an inconsistent process compared to spodumene
Higher quality, spodumene typically hosts higher lithium content in comparison to most brines
Geographic location, rock minerals are way more homogeneously distributed on earth with deposits on each continent's
Comparable costs, while each mining operation may have its own defining factors regarding profitability the hard-rock operations utilize low-cost traditional mining techniques
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Lithium is contained in brines as you say and might well be our largest potential source. (possibly a good way forward water table permitting). However the majority of lithium doesn't appear to come from brine yet.
Australia is the worlds largest lithium producer at 46% but its mined. Also mined in Mexico, US, Canada and several other countries. I've not added up all the smaller producers but I would have thought mining would easily be the largest source of lithium.
Chile are the second largest producer and the majority of their lithium does come from brine but even though they seem to have larger reserves, they only produce about 1/2 of what Australia does.
China seems to be grabbing all the lithium it can even though it could mine more. Bit of a pointer for the future there perhaps.
Lithium is contained in brines as you say and might well be our largest potential source. (possibly a good way forward water table permitting). However the majority of lithium doesn't appear to come from brine yet.
Australia is the worlds largest lithium producer at 46% but its mined. Also mined in Mexico, US, Canada and several other countries. I've not added up all the smaller producers but I would have thought mining would easily be the largest source of lithium.
Chile are the second largest producer and the majority of their lithium does come from brine but even though they seem to have larger reserves, they only produce about 1/2 of what Australia does.
China seems to be grabbing all the lithium it can even though it could mine more. Bit of a pointer for the future there perhaps.