In reply to Post #89
Feel for you mate. Your lot seem so similar to that lunatic outfit that's ruining Scotland. Give these authoritarians an inch and not only will they take a mile, they'll rub your nose in it at the same time with the justification that it's all for your benefit, nice.
Feel for you mate. Your lot seem so similar to that lunatic outfit that's ruining Scotland. Give these authoritarians an inch and not only will they take a mile, they'll rub your nose in it at the same time with the justification that it's all for your benefit, nice.
In this instance there will be some people and organizations that represent people getting out fishing for a few hours will undoubtedly help them and for those that it genuinely helps then well done to the Angling Trust for enabling them to do so.
For the rest that don't really suffer from not going then just don't go. Like most other things in life there will be those that abuse the situation but this is happening anyhow in many different ways, if they wasn't fishing then what else might they be doing?
For the rest that don't really suffer from not going then just don't go. Like most other things in life there will be those that abuse the situation but this is happening anyhow in many different ways, if they wasn't fishing then what else might they be doing?
In reply to Post #78
Spot on mal, people are very quick to start taking liberties when it suits them. Country should be in total lockdown, not this wishy-washy rubbish.
Spot on mal, people are very quick to start taking liberties when it suits them. Country should be in total lockdown, not this wishy-washy rubbish.
In reply to Post #89
The travel thing over here is ridiculous. So much bureaucracy and double standards it's unreal. If they were doing this and keeping the virus under control I may get it, bit we have the worst infection rate in the UK, highest death rate per capita and the slowest at rolling out the vaccine. I don't blame Angling Cymru at all, they are trying to deal with a bunch of idiots
The travel thing over here is ridiculous. So much bureaucracy and double standards it's unreal. If they were doing this and keeping the virus under control I may get it, bit we have the worst infection rate in the UK, highest death rate per capita and the slowest at rolling out the vaccine. I don't blame Angling Cymru at all, they are trying to deal with a bunch of idiots
In reply to Post #94
Density of population is the problem in the uk we all live too close to each other compared to our European counterparts.
Density of population is the problem in the uk we all live too close to each other compared to our European counterparts.
In reply to Post #58
. . .fished a popular spot on the Avon close to me on Sunday . . .3 other anglers spread out on the whole stretch covering 5 meadows . . .however - plenty of families (2xparents / Nx kids), threesomes, foursomes, dog walkers all walking the stretch on both banks from 8am-3pm . . .!
. . .fished a popular spot on the Avon close to me on Sunday . . .3 other anglers spread out on the whole stretch covering 5 meadows . . .however - plenty of families (2xparents / Nx kids), threesomes, foursomes, dog walkers all walking the stretch on both banks from 8am-3pm . . .!
In reply to Post #43
this vaccine could be produced alot quicker than the government is saying so why is it not being done
It is, to my knowledge each manufacturer is now stockpiling but there's only so much they can store.
The reason for the delay in releasing it is that each batch is limited in size and each batch needs testing before release, testing can take weeks.
this vaccine could be produced alot quicker than the government is saying so why is it not being done
It is, to my knowledge each manufacturer is now stockpiling but there's only so much they can store.
The reason for the delay in releasing it is that each batch is limited in size and each batch needs testing before release, testing can take weeks.
In reply to Post #97
Producing it probably isnt the issue, getting it into bottles and out to where it needs to go is a different kettle of fish altogether, remember these companies that produce these types of vaccines, have never had to get it to market in such fashion before, and dont forget they are probably suffering the effects of covid with staffing issues with the rest of us
Producing it probably isnt the issue, getting it into bottles and out to where it needs to go is a different kettle of fish altogether, remember these companies that produce these types of vaccines, have never had to get it to market in such fashion before, and dont forget they are probably suffering the effects of covid with staffing issues with the rest of us
In reply to Post #98
There will be no problem with production lines, they already have them ready to go, same with regards distribution, although deep frozen not so easy. As for staffing , yes to some extent but the vast majority of the process is automated.
I don't think most people appreciate how quickly these vaccines have got to market, that's some flexibility from the regulatory bodies.
There will be no problem with production lines, they already have them ready to go, same with regards distribution, although deep frozen not so easy. As for staffing , yes to some extent but the vast majority of the process is automated.
I don't think most people appreciate how quickly these vaccines have got to market, that's some flexibility from the regulatory bodies.
In reply to Post #99
. . .Brew Dog have offered to transform their bars / outlets into vaccination centres as they have the refrigeration equipment and space to do so . . .
Surprise surprise the nay sayers have already berated the offer as a marketing ploy . . . . . . . .eedjits.
Whether this offer has fringe benefits to the brand or not, I think this is a great idea and proactive from a company that has effectively had all its outlets forcibly closed through no fault of their own ffs!
IMO Government needs to stop making excuses and start thinking more creatively to get these jabs out there much faster than its current plodding levels . . . . . cos lets face it whatever your standpoint this is all getting a bit tedious . .
. . .Brew Dog have offered to transform their bars / outlets into vaccination centres as they have the refrigeration equipment and space to do so . . .
Surprise surprise the nay sayers have already berated the offer as a marketing ploy . . . . . . . .eedjits.
Whether this offer has fringe benefits to the brand or not, I think this is a great idea and proactive from a company that has effectively had all its outlets forcibly closed through no fault of their own ffs!
IMO Government needs to stop making excuses and start thinking more creatively to get these jabs out there much faster than its current plodding levels . . . . . cos lets face it whatever your standpoint this is all getting a bit tedious . .
In reply to Post #100
We have had a test centre open up at the local rugby club, if I'm honest we probably have enough test centres large enough to support the requirements, without the need to transform pubs.
We have had a test centre open up at the local rugby club, if I'm honest we probably have enough test centres large enough to support the requirements, without the need to transform pubs.
In reply to Post #98
I read somewhere that it was the glass vials which are running out because of the massive amounts required globally and they just cant make them quick enough. Plenty of things within the route from creation to in someones arm that can cause a hold up. packaging for instance.
could be less waste though, thats the disappointing bit.
I read somewhere that it was the glass vials which are running out because of the massive amounts required globally and they just cant make them quick enough. Plenty of things within the route from creation to in someones arm that can cause a hold up. packaging for instance.
could be less waste though, thats the disappointing bit.
In reply to Post #102
That seems to be one of the main issues, the companies can have as many production lines as they want, but if you haven't got anything to dispense it in, then the whole thing grinds to a halt. I am still a little sceptical about the amounts the can produce in a day, pharmaceutical companies have the most stringent rules and guidelines in manufacturing, upscaling it into what we need is a monumental effort, fair play if they do it though
That seems to be one of the main issues, the companies can have as many production lines as they want, but if you haven't got anything to dispense it in, then the whole thing grinds to a halt. I am still a little sceptical about the amounts the can produce in a day, pharmaceutical companies have the most stringent rules and guidelines in manufacturing, upscaling it into what we need is a monumental effort, fair play if they do it though
In reply to Post #102
I get that but I don't in a way. I've absolutely no idea why they insist on such small volume vials for this vaccine.
When I worked in aseptic compounding vials were multi pierce. The inner circle on the bung could take far more than 6 piercings (depending on vial size & skill of operator) and if you use a vented needle your only piercing once anyway (unless you re use them). The main issue with multi pierce is generating bung particulate (which you don't generally get with vented needles) and in any case the particulate can be filtered out with a filter needle at injection (assuming the vaccine can be filtered).
Same re volume, they could use a 500ml bottle of the dam stuff with a vented line, new syringe and needle for each patient, job done. Strikes me they are applying best practice to mass immunisation, the 2 can't go hand in hand with speed.
Reminds me of the new chemo drugs coming through the Christie when I was there, 2ml vials and 40ml doses...not much fun!
I get that but I don't in a way. I've absolutely no idea why they insist on such small volume vials for this vaccine.
When I worked in aseptic compounding vials were multi pierce. The inner circle on the bung could take far more than 6 piercings (depending on vial size & skill of operator) and if you use a vented needle your only piercing once anyway (unless you re use them). The main issue with multi pierce is generating bung particulate (which you don't generally get with vented needles) and in any case the particulate can be filtered out with a filter needle at injection (assuming the vaccine can be filtered).
Same re volume, they could use a 500ml bottle of the dam stuff with a vented line, new syringe and needle for each patient, job done. Strikes me they are applying best practice to mass immunisation, the 2 can't go hand in hand with speed.
Reminds me of the new chemo drugs coming through the Christie when I was there, 2ml vials and 40ml doses...not much fun!
In reply to Post #104
do the AT make a vaccine?
thought this was about the AT
do the AT make a vaccine?
thought this was about the AT