In reply to Post #46
thought thay did, many like sticky krill have a long shelf life
thought thay did, many like sticky krill have a long shelf life
Flame suite on but I welcome a tad of preservative if I bought Freezers.
1) It helps if you get them delivered (slight defrosting)
2) I like to re-use them after a session, stick some back in the freezer and ready to go again for a few sessions.
Better than a shelf bait with preservatives, but overly so.
Lets face it we get through a kilo in short periods.
Makes sense, and the way forward.
I sense a market for such baits. (fishing abroad, short term etc. )
What I'm trying to say is I think it would be a popular option out of three\ four.
One being Fresh bait, Two, nearly fresh bait, three\four, stabilised\shelf life.
Please give me a list of fresh baits with a *tad* of preservative in them.
I'd rather buy these than one with none in, or tonnes in.
Horses for courses I guess, how you are able to fish, juggle, buy bait \ work.
1) It helps if you get them delivered (slight defrosting)
2) I like to re-use them after a session, stick some back in the freezer and ready to go again for a few sessions.
Better than a shelf bait with preservatives, but overly so.
Lets face it we get through a kilo in short periods.
Makes sense, and the way forward.
I sense a market for such baits. (fishing abroad, short term etc. )
What I'm trying to say is I think it would be a popular option out of three\ four.
One being Fresh bait, Two, nearly fresh bait, three\four, stabilised\shelf life.
Please give me a list of fresh baits with a *tad* of preservative in them.
I'd rather buy these than one with none in, or tonnes in.
Horses for courses I guess, how you are able to fish, juggle, buy bait \ work.
In reply to Post #48
ABS make “stabilised” versions of their baits.
ABS make “stabilised” versions of their baits.
In reply to Post #49
A.B.S short life stabilised baits will stay usable for up to 3 months if kept in a cool dark place. Then they go mouldy. It's obvious when they turn.
A.B.S short life stabilised baits will stay usable for up to 3 months if kept in a cool dark place. Then they go mouldy. It's obvious when they turn.
In reply to Post #49
Isn't that the same thing
Isn't that the same thing
So other than egg, what ingredients in a shop bought freezer bait is it that needs preserving?
Like i posted below, you can generally buy all the ingredients to roll your own from the same company. And all the ingredients are shelf life?
Like i posted below, you can generally buy all the ingredients to roll your own from the same company. And all the ingredients are shelf life?
In reply to Post #52
The dry powders aren't shelf life, they are just dry! Like flour. Add a bit of water to them and see how long they last....
The dry powders aren't shelf life, they are just dry! Like flour. Add a bit of water to them and see how long they last....
In reply to Post #51
Not used them, but the wat Geoff explains it is the at they are “short term” preserved. As noted below, they do still turn, just takes longer.
Not used them, but the wat Geoff explains it is the at they are “short term” preserved. As noted below, they do still turn, just takes longer.
In reply to Post #7
Nothing to elaborate... It is as it is...
Nothing to elaborate... It is as it is...
In reply to Post #46
Thats right.
Or correctly, nothing called a preservative like potassium sorbate, maybe ingredients like thaumatin, which is not only a sweetener and taste enhancer, but may be a preservative, and other ingredients that can be taste enhancers as well as preservative.
Thats right.
Or correctly, nothing called a preservative like potassium sorbate, maybe ingredients like thaumatin, which is not only a sweetener and taste enhancer, but may be a preservative, and other ingredients that can be taste enhancers as well as preservative.
In reply to Post #45
. I used to use the Pete B mix that would keep for ages due to the salty ingredients, especially if glugged in fish sauce 
. I used to use the Pete B mix that would keep for ages due to the salty ingredients, especially if glugged in fish sauce
In reply to Post #57
I've moved to very small scale home rolling - main mix is BAF's Tropamino but I also create my own too. Lots of reasons for doing this, mainly the satisfaction of making my own bait and catching on it.
For me, nearly all my bait is a freezer bait but my hookbaits and popups (same basemix) are longer life. Simply by drying them for a few days and then with a home made glug (lots of fish sauce plus hydros) with more air drying they become harder and long life baits.
I could quite easily do the same for anything up to a few kilos at a time but like the fresh feed bait. Only preservative is probably the salt in the fish sauce.
Easy for me - perhaps not so much for bait companies turning over huge quantities. I'd always use freezer bait now but that's simply preference and it works with my fishing.
I've moved to very small scale home rolling - main mix is BAF's Tropamino but I also create my own too. Lots of reasons for doing this, mainly the satisfaction of making my own bait and catching on it.
For me, nearly all my bait is a freezer bait but my hookbaits and popups (same basemix) are longer life. Simply by drying them for a few days and then with a home made glug (lots of fish sauce plus hydros) with more air drying they become harder and long life baits.
I could quite easily do the same for anything up to a few kilos at a time but like the fresh feed bait. Only preservative is probably the salt in the fish sauce.
Easy for me - perhaps not so much for bait companies turning over huge quantities. I'd always use freezer bait now but that's simply preference and it works with my fishing.
In reply to Post #1
I wrote about this nearly 20 years ago on the old RMC forum.
It's been happening forever, and clearly still is. You only need to think about it from a business perspective. Electricity to keep freezers running en masse is expensive... Problems with deliveries going bad if delivery to shops or homes is delayed for any reason... Problems with novice anglers not knowing how to keep fresh bait in a good condition for a long weekend in the summer...
They are all solved, and there is lots of money to be saved by storing tonnes of readymades in a big container.... And throwing them into a freezer for a few hours before sending out.
On Fen Drayton I saw 25kg of freezer bait sit in bags in the back of someones hot van for a week... They were fresh as a daisy. In fact he still had them weeks later in the bags and those freezer baits never went off. Big company, still going today.
A friend came to the Thames with me around the same time, he was bringing the bait. He brought four 5kg bags of freezer baits with him. He chucked them in the sun and left them...I was used to using fresh bait, and started crying it would all be ruined... He laughed and said to me, that shizzle will never go off. Gawd knows what is done to it but it never goes off. It was clearly heavily preserved bait that had been frozen.
It's not just these two different firms, I know of at least three of them that were up to this same game around the same time, and still are going by this thread!
This has NOTHING to do with salty liquids etc... It's heavily preserved, as in a bag of readymades that can sit on a tackle shop shelf for three years. The answer, use someone for your bait who cares about the fresh bait which he sells, like Geoff or one of the smaller firms.
Ask yourself honestly, if you think that a large bait firm which will happily falsely advertise to you on a consistent, almost daily basis, with fish that they know 100% are not even caught on their bait. Big companies that will literally bribe carp anglers with free gear en masse to do this... You think these people have any morals towards you? You are very sadly mistaken. It's all part of the game for them, all that matters is the profits... Nothing else.
I wrote about this nearly 20 years ago on the old RMC forum.
It's been happening forever, and clearly still is. You only need to think about it from a business perspective. Electricity to keep freezers running en masse is expensive... Problems with deliveries going bad if delivery to shops or homes is delayed for any reason... Problems with novice anglers not knowing how to keep fresh bait in a good condition for a long weekend in the summer...
They are all solved, and there is lots of money to be saved by storing tonnes of readymades in a big container.... And throwing them into a freezer for a few hours before sending out.
On Fen Drayton I saw 25kg of freezer bait sit in bags in the back of someones hot van for a week... They were fresh as a daisy. In fact he still had them weeks later in the bags and those freezer baits never went off. Big company, still going today.
A friend came to the Thames with me around the same time, he was bringing the bait. He brought four 5kg bags of freezer baits with him. He chucked them in the sun and left them...I was used to using fresh bait, and started crying it would all be ruined... He laughed and said to me, that shizzle will never go off. Gawd knows what is done to it but it never goes off. It was clearly heavily preserved bait that had been frozen.
It's not just these two different firms, I know of at least three of them that were up to this same game around the same time, and still are going by this thread!
This has NOTHING to do with salty liquids etc... It's heavily preserved, as in a bag of readymades that can sit on a tackle shop shelf for three years. The answer, use someone for your bait who cares about the fresh bait which he sells, like Geoff or one of the smaller firms.
Ask yourself honestly, if you think that a large bait firm which will happily falsely advertise to you on a consistent, almost daily basis, with fish that they know 100% are not even caught on their bait. Big companies that will literally bribe carp anglers with free gear en masse to do this... You think these people have any morals towards you? You are very sadly mistaken. It's all part of the game for them, all that matters is the profits... Nothing else.
In reply to Post #58
Doing very similar myself.
Roll a kilo a week of trop, takes 20 minutes and comes in at 5 quid a kilo made.
Don't trust the majority of bait companies
Doing very similar myself.
Roll a kilo a week of trop, takes 20 minutes and comes in at 5 quid a kilo made.
Don't trust the majority of bait companies
In reply to Post #60
"Roll a kilo a week of trop, takes 20 minutes and comes in at 5 quid a kilo made.
Don't trust the majority of bait companies"
It's the way forwards. You will get some angler down the pond laugh at you because you're making your own...When in reality the bait you are making yourself, is actually ten times better than the tosh he's getting at hashtag £1 off per kilo. He's just been swayed by some glossy adverts, and often down right lies. Who's the foolish one really?
There's loads of great bait companies though mate. You just have to understand what ones are what. Nothing better than making it yourself though. You know exactly what goes into it.
I am sure if everyone here who has any experience of big brand popular mainstream freezer baits really thinks about it... They will soon understand.... Some baits have always been better when they are going a bit sweaty going back donkeys years... They have zero preservatives in them. Other massive companies based in the same neck of the woods... You will never even hear of their freezer baits going sweaty, let alone that they are better that way... You certainly don't need to be a rocket scientist to work out why.
As I stated in my last post... If you can roll tonnes of bait during the winter, then store it in giant metal containers all summer, and also knock out any losses due to freezer bait going off in transit... Just think about the rough mathematic savings that can be made over doing it the right way. They are vast.
"Roll a kilo a week of trop, takes 20 minutes and comes in at 5 quid a kilo made.
Don't trust the majority of bait companies"
It's the way forwards. You will get some angler down the pond laugh at you because you're making your own...When in reality the bait you are making yourself, is actually ten times better than the tosh he's getting at hashtag £1 off per kilo. He's just been swayed by some glossy adverts, and often down right lies. Who's the foolish one really?
There's loads of great bait companies though mate. You just have to understand what ones are what. Nothing better than making it yourself though. You know exactly what goes into it.
I am sure if everyone here who has any experience of big brand popular mainstream freezer baits really thinks about it... They will soon understand.... Some baits have always been better when they are going a bit sweaty going back donkeys years... They have zero preservatives in them. Other massive companies based in the same neck of the woods... You will never even hear of their freezer baits going sweaty, let alone that they are better that way... You certainly don't need to be a rocket scientist to work out why.
As I stated in my last post... If you can roll tonnes of bait during the winter, then store it in giant metal containers all summer, and also knock out any losses due to freezer bait going off in transit... Just think about the rough mathematic savings that can be made over doing it the right way. They are vast.