In reply to Post #30
We have it on a pit along the M4. Blokes will jump out their motors and fly drones around before even getting their gear out, fly around the whole lake and then setup on top of the fish. Geezer that runs the place allows it. If they cant find the fish they jump back in the motor and go home. One of those is apparently a celebrity in the carp scene writing pieces in mags about watercraft - couldnt make it up.
We have it on a pit along the M4. Blokes will jump out their motors and fly drones around before even getting their gear out, fly around the whole lake and then setup on top of the fish. Geezer that runs the place allows it. If they cant find the fish they jump back in the motor and go home. One of those is apparently a celebrity in the carp scene writing pieces in mags about watercraft - couldnt make it up.
I see a vid of someone sending a can of beer to his mate from one side of the lake to the other. Perfectly acceptable use of a drone if you ask me.. 
In reply to Post #31
Blokes will jump out their motors and fly drones around before even getting their gear out
Each to their own, just another nail in the carpfishing coffin as we know it for me, ffs
One of the key parts of the puzzle is finding the fish, one serious question from me, where is the merit in the captures, zero for me or extremely tainted
Bloke fly's drone to the other side of the lake and finds fish, drives round and jumps into the swim. Takes bait boat out 200 yds. with sonar and locates plateau. drops bait on a clear spot the size of a dustbin lid with the aid of a camera. seriously, I couldn't look myself in the ****ing mirror, no wonder i am disillusioned with the modern scene and the desperation that comes with it ffs
Look at me with this fish in my arms... that I did not deserve
Is it robot carpin or shooting fish in a barrel
Blokes will jump out their motors and fly drones around before even getting their gear out
Each to their own, just another nail in the carpfishing coffin as we know it for me, ffs
One of the key parts of the puzzle is finding the fish, one serious question from me, where is the merit in the captures, zero for me or extremely tainted
Bloke fly's drone to the other side of the lake and finds fish, drives round and jumps into the swim. Takes bait boat out 200 yds. with sonar and locates plateau. drops bait on a clear spot the size of a dustbin lid with the aid of a camera. seriously, I couldn't look myself in the ****ing mirror, no wonder i am disillusioned with the modern scene and the desperation that comes with it ffs
Look at me with this fish in my arms... that I did not deserve
Is it robot carpin or shooting fish in a barrel
In reply to Post #33
Scozza - straight up mate, that is what goes on.
Scozza - straight up mate, that is what goes on.
In reply to Post #32
>>>>sending a can of beer to his mate from one side of the lake to the other<<<<
Many years ago on a weeks works fishing trip, it was absolutely hammering it down with rain, my friend at the opposite side of the pond in his shelter looked a bit glum with the conditions.
So, I carefully wrapped a carp magazine up in carrier bags to waterproof it and tied it to the carrying handle of the bait boat and a can of beer in the hopper. I then sent it straight acoss the pond to his swim and carefully avoided his lines using my binoculars and bumped the boat into the bank under his rod.
He must have been asleep and hearing the bump of the bait boat suddenly woke up as he flew out of his chair and grabbed the magazine and beer and gave us a big thumbs up.
But, regarding drones, the only exeperience of others using them I have, and its very rare is for them to send them up high and take aerial pictures of the lake etc and share them with others and it bothers no one.
But, some use them and fly very low taking pictures and videos of carp in the weed basking in the Sun. Thankfully its only happened once, but one person did it and went into other peoples swims doing it along a weedy treeline, very low and spooked all the carp basking as they bow waved off in all directions, probably the shadow passing overhead or they saw the drone above them, spooked a fish and caused a ripple effect with them all. It led to an argument and all they could do was defend themselves by saying they just wanted to take some pictures of the Carp to see what there was in the lake and didn't think it would bother anyone.
But, I have come across the odd idiot with a baitboat, go for a cruise around your swim, when you go round to see them, their argument is they are not fishing and they are just mapping out the pond to see where the features are etc.
>>>>sending a can of beer to his mate from one side of the lake to the other<<<<
Many years ago on a weeks works fishing trip, it was absolutely hammering it down with rain, my friend at the opposite side of the pond in his shelter looked a bit glum with the conditions.
So, I carefully wrapped a carp magazine up in carrier bags to waterproof it and tied it to the carrying handle of the bait boat and a can of beer in the hopper. I then sent it straight acoss the pond to his swim and carefully avoided his lines using my binoculars and bumped the boat into the bank under his rod.
He must have been asleep and hearing the bump of the bait boat suddenly woke up as he flew out of his chair and grabbed the magazine and beer and gave us a big thumbs up.
But, regarding drones, the only exeperience of others using them I have, and its very rare is for them to send them up high and take aerial pictures of the lake etc and share them with others and it bothers no one.
But, some use them and fly very low taking pictures and videos of carp in the weed basking in the Sun. Thankfully its only happened once, but one person did it and went into other peoples swims doing it along a weedy treeline, very low and spooked all the carp basking as they bow waved off in all directions, probably the shadow passing overhead or they saw the drone above them, spooked a fish and caused a ripple effect with them all. It led to an argument and all they could do was defend themselves by saying they just wanted to take some pictures of the Carp to see what there was in the lake and didn't think it would bother anyone.
But, I have come across the odd idiot with a baitboat, go for a cruise around your swim, when you go round to see them, their argument is they are not fishing and they are just mapping out the pond to see where the features are etc.
In reply to Post #35
“So, I carefully wrapped a carp magazine up in carrier bags to waterproof it and tied it to the carrying handle of the bait boat and a can of beer in the hopper. I then sent it straight acoss the pond to his swim and carefully avoided his lines using my binoculars and bumped the boat into the bank under his rod.”
Here's what's wrong with the modern carp scene in the 1st sentence.
Years ago
If you were a real friend you would have sent a porn mag.
“So, I carefully wrapped a carp magazine up in carrier bags to waterproof it and tied it to the carrying handle of the bait boat and a can of beer in the hopper. I then sent it straight acoss the pond to his swim and carefully avoided his lines using my binoculars and bumped the boat into the bank under his rod.”
Here's what's wrong with the modern carp scene in the 1st sentence.
Years ago
If you were a real friend you would have sent a porn mag.
In reply to Post #33
Very well said scozza
Very well said scozza
Makes me laugh when drones are used to locate fish for films where at the same time they'll be trying to capture a purist, romantic view of carp fishing. I'm glad the consensus is that it amounts to cheating. Location and watercraft are two of the few remaining differentiators in carp fishing within the UK.
Would a golfer merit a putt if they had pushed it in with a remote controlled car?
Would a footballer count a penalty if the ball was carried in by remote control?
Would a tennis player count an ace fired out by a remote controlled cannon?
Maybe closer to home would a hunter consider it sport to drive up to a deer with a remote controlled vehicle to shoot it?
Let's be honest, using a bait boat is not fishing, it's just camping with gadgets. In every other sport I can think of the merit and satisfaction comes from learning the skills and craft. Using a bait boat shortcuts all of that for the end result, meaning the end result has no merit.
Would a footballer count a penalty if the ball was carried in by remote control?
Would a tennis player count an ace fired out by a remote controlled cannon?
Maybe closer to home would a hunter consider it sport to drive up to a deer with a remote controlled vehicle to shoot it?
Let's be honest, using a bait boat is not fishing, it's just camping with gadgets. In every other sport I can think of the merit and satisfaction comes from learning the skills and craft. Using a bait boat shortcuts all of that for the end result, meaning the end result has no merit.
In reply to Post #39
.......and then there's the cane & pin purist looking on
Would a real fisherman use a carbon rod/pod/stupidly expensive reels
Would a real fisherman fish beyond their sight
Would a real fisherman need power banks top watch football on the bank or god forbid even need to use a mobile phone on the banks.
Who in their right mind would thrash the water to a foam with a spod, fishing is meant to be a peaceful past time right. the responsible bait boat user v a spomb, I know who I'd rather be fishing next to, if either are needed.
It's a slippery slope to start judging others by your own requisites as to what's 'deserved or right'. At the end of the day the 'bivvy tramp' could gazzump the lot of us becasue they're the 'proper angler' because only they put in the real amount of time required to be hightened to the 'god like' status of being a proper angler, doing it the proper way.
If any of it bothers you your're not engrossed in your own fishing enough, just enjoy it.
.......and then there's the cane & pin purist looking on
Would a real fisherman use a carbon rod/pod/stupidly expensive reels
Would a real fisherman fish beyond their sight
Would a real fisherman need power banks top watch football on the bank or god forbid even need to use a mobile phone on the banks.
Who in their right mind would thrash the water to a foam with a spod, fishing is meant to be a peaceful past time right. the responsible bait boat user v a spomb, I know who I'd rather be fishing next to, if either are needed.
It's a slippery slope to start judging others by your own requisites as to what's 'deserved or right'. At the end of the day the 'bivvy tramp' could gazzump the lot of us becasue they're the 'proper angler' because only they put in the real amount of time required to be hightened to the 'god like' status of being a proper angler, doing it the proper way.
If any of it bothers you your're not engrossed in your own fishing enough, just enjoy it.
In reply to Post #40
Bait boat user by any chance?
It's not about being a purist, I'm talking about using a robot to do the most important part of the sport for you.
The things listed are irrelevant compared to using a remote controlled machine to outsmart an animal rather than your own eyes and limbs.
I wouldn't fish a lake that allows bait boats so in reality it makes no difference to my fishing, I can still have an opinion on their merit and debate it on the forum.
Bait boat user by any chance?
It's not about being a purist, I'm talking about using a robot to do the most important part of the sport for you.
The things listed are irrelevant compared to using a remote controlled machine to outsmart an animal rather than your own eyes and limbs.
I wouldn't fish a lake that allows bait boats so in reality it makes no difference to my fishing, I can still have an opinion on their merit and debate it on the forum.
In reply to Post #34
I could handle the beer but it would have to be a 4 pack
I could handle the beer but it would have to be a 4 pack
I just finished reading the John Bailey/Paul Whitehouse book and although drones/bait boats get some stick, but it's actually bolt rigs that get the most ridicule from a "purist" standpoint. I suppose it's horses for courses, but for me the line is drawn at technology which removes two essential skills in angling - locating the fish and casting.
It is just this simple each to there own worry about you and let
Everyone else worry about themselves
If the rules allow it there not doing anything wrong
No I don't own a drone but I wouldn't frown on someone that does
I own a bait boat but rarely use it once twice a year just to much weight to carry my fishing partner uses a boat regularly he's disabled if he didn't he wouldn't be able to fish the water we do so is that wrong imo no he still needs watercraft to locate where he rings the fish are
Is it not cheating casting rods out and sleeping with alarms because some say it is
Just go fishing and enjoy your self if matey flys his drone and locates the fish whilst your fish and goes on to catch them it's not his fault your watercraft is shlt and you set up in the wrong place
Just ENJOY
Everyone else worry about themselves
If the rules allow it there not doing anything wrong
No I don't own a drone but I wouldn't frown on someone that does
I own a bait boat but rarely use it once twice a year just to much weight to carry my fishing partner uses a boat regularly he's disabled if he didn't he wouldn't be able to fish the water we do so is that wrong imo no he still needs watercraft to locate where he rings the fish are
Is it not cheating casting rods out and sleeping with alarms because some say it is
Just go fishing and enjoy your self if matey flys his drone and locates the fish whilst your fish and goes on to catch them it's not his fault your watercraft is shlt and you set up in the wrong place
Just ENJOY
In reply to Post #44
That's what bothers me 'each to their own ',..see a lot people with that outlook are so very selfish, in so much they inadvertently are ruining some one else's peace and quiet and state of mindfulness..it also sets a precedent
Unfortunately we live in a time where many ,many people follow like sheep ,they cannot question or even think objectively ..if a so called celebrity angler is shown using a bait boat and catches well,then you can be sure others will copy ,the saddest thing is when a capture happens ,it only shows how desperate they are to big themselves up ,and go on some media platforms..
Even the 'mesiah' ,the second coming of christ himself, the one everyone gets themselves into a tizz wanting to emulate him ,uses a bait boat ...sorry its cheating ,all captures null and void ..
There is something called 'fishing not catching '...if an individual does not understand that ,then angling may not be for them ..
Ps,not entirely directed at ee,..
That's what bothers me 'each to their own ',..see a lot people with that outlook are so very selfish, in so much they inadvertently are ruining some one else's peace and quiet and state of mindfulness..it also sets a precedent
Unfortunately we live in a time where many ,many people follow like sheep ,they cannot question or even think objectively ..if a so called celebrity angler is shown using a bait boat and catches well,then you can be sure others will copy ,the saddest thing is when a capture happens ,it only shows how desperate they are to big themselves up ,and go on some media platforms..
Even the 'mesiah' ,the second coming of christ himself, the one everyone gets themselves into a tizz wanting to emulate him ,uses a bait boat ...sorry its cheating ,all captures null and void ..
There is something called 'fishing not catching '...if an individual does not understand that ,then angling may not be for them ..
Ps,not entirely directed at ee,..