In reply to Post #4
Only if you're on it.
Only if you're on it.
In reply to Post #1
There's something about social media that brings out the worst in people. It's probably the relative anonymity that means people will say things they wouldn't dream of in real life.
I must admit over the years I've been dragged into arguments etc on Facebook especially when there's some tw*t giving it the biggun I've struggled to ignore it (which is exactly what they want of course)
I've come up with the best solution- I've cancelled my Facebook. The negativity gets depressing and I'm much better off without it. Next on the list is Instagram, although I will miss the catch pics. It's a shame the catches section on the forum isn't better used. Maybe if everyone started using that we could all cancel all our social media!
There's something about social media that brings out the worst in people. It's probably the relative anonymity that means people will say things they wouldn't dream of in real life.
I must admit over the years I've been dragged into arguments etc on Facebook especially when there's some tw*t giving it the biggun I've struggled to ignore it (which is exactly what they want of course)
I've come up with the best solution- I've cancelled my Facebook. The negativity gets depressing and I'm much better off without it. Next on the list is Instagram, although I will miss the catch pics. It's a shame the catches section on the forum isn't better used. Maybe if everyone started using that we could all cancel all our social media!
I tend to stay away from fishing pages and only have a few bait companies that show up.........no drama then....... 
I run a couple of selling groups on Facebook, a jag selling page with over 5k on it and a rive selling page (top end match fishing boxes) with over 8k on there.both pages are more than just selling pages though advice on products and user advice always on hand.
I moderate these quite strictly not because of a power trip but I don't want to create any negativity on the company's that they represent.
if people have a review of a product that didn't suit them,failed them or was sub standard then its good for people to know this,however,on both these pages there are representatives of the company's.
I always ask if people have had problems have they contacted the company's before coming on a facebook page to slag them off.
jag s customer service is spot and almost always leave the customer with a satisfactory solution.
The rive page has the UK general and marketing manager on there and people have had problems sorted within days that have been rumbling on for a while through the shops that rive didn't even know about as it was the shops dragging their feet.
if people come on the pages and just say something is **** because of the price or just moaning than I just delete the comments.
I moderate these quite strictly not because of a power trip but I don't want to create any negativity on the company's that they represent.
if people have a review of a product that didn't suit them,failed them or was sub standard then its good for people to know this,however,on both these pages there are representatives of the company's.
I always ask if people have had problems have they contacted the company's before coming on a facebook page to slag them off.
jag s customer service is spot and almost always leave the customer with a satisfactory solution.
The rive page has the UK general and marketing manager on there and people have had problems sorted within days that have been rumbling on for a while through the shops that rive didn't even know about as it was the shops dragging their feet.
if people come on the pages and just say something is **** because of the price or just moaning than I just delete the comments.
In reply to Post #5
I tend to agree that the vast majority of people are as you say decent, polite and helpful.
However if you take forum contributors as a cross section over a wide range of interests then carp fishing does seem to fare badly.
Over the years I have contributed to a few other forums ( car and arborist) and read posts on fly and other fishing forums. All these forums without exception have been helpful and people polite.
I would say generally the people on this forum are also very helpful and polite but one thing that amazed me when I joined was the level of personal insults by a very small minority that was deemed acceptable. Certainly wouldn't be allowed on other forums and perhaps that prompts a low level of behaviour thought to be ok by a few that translates right through to the bank.
I tend to agree that the vast majority of people are as you say decent, polite and helpful.
However if you take forum contributors as a cross section over a wide range of interests then carp fishing does seem to fare badly.
Over the years I have contributed to a few other forums ( car and arborist) and read posts on fly and other fishing forums. All these forums without exception have been helpful and people polite.
I would say generally the people on this forum are also very helpful and polite but one thing that amazed me when I joined was the level of personal insults by a very small minority that was deemed acceptable. Certainly wouldn't be allowed on other forums and perhaps that prompts a low level of behaviour thought to be ok by a few that translates right through to the bank.
In reply to Post #1
eBay is the same so many idiots trying to get a cheap deal off you and they think they know it all,I had one guy ask me about the rods I was selling(not expensive)but he then said he could buy a set of three for that price as I was selling 2,I sold them later but before they went he said would I take £x amount as he's only got that much to spend,he was just trying to get them cheaper because he thought I was desperate to sell which I wasn't.
eBay is the same so many idiots trying to get a cheap deal off you and they think they know it all,I had one guy ask me about the rods I was selling(not expensive)but he then said he could buy a set of three for that price as I was selling 2,I sold them later but before they went he said would I take £x amount as he's only got that much to spend,he was just trying to get them cheaper because he thought I was desperate to sell which I wasn't.
In reply to Post #7
I am pretty certain that if I were to give up carp fishing it would be due to the idiots that it attracts these days. It's always had its share of "characters" but the number of people involved today who are actively stupid, aggressive, or abusive is off the charts. It doesn't help that in some clubs the bailiffs are part of the problem.
I'm just not seeing this with the other outdoor sports I do.
I am pretty certain that if I were to give up carp fishing it would be due to the idiots that it attracts these days. It's always had its share of "characters" but the number of people involved today who are actively stupid, aggressive, or abusive is off the charts. It doesn't help that in some clubs the bailiffs are part of the problem.
I'm just not seeing this with the other outdoor sports I do.
Tackle company's bare a portion of blame how much is debatable. The way they have pushed a image orientated advertising and marketing campaign over the last several years has been aggressive in the way of shaping what the scene represents today. With massive sales from the influx of these new customers things are not going to change any time soon. 
In reply to Post #38
I think that is a lot of it, the image portrayed by some of the media Whores stars
Not once could I ever imagine performing on the bank like some of them do without getting my teeth knocked out, totally embarrassing
I think part of the problem is that it is not real, face to face stuff, I can only imagine some of the muppets performing like they do in some of the pubs I know
Then you get the cocks, within the space of 2 minutes of talking to you, do you know so and so, yeah I know him, yeah, he's alright isn't he? You can cut to the chase quickly and the first person they mention, just say, yes, he is a proper ****, they can only slate people for so long before they **** off
I think that is a lot of it, the image portrayed by some of the media Whores stars
Not once could I ever imagine performing on the bank like some of them do without getting my teeth knocked out, totally embarrassing
I think part of the problem is that it is not real, face to face stuff, I can only imagine some of the muppets performing like they do in some of the pubs I know
Then you get the cocks, within the space of 2 minutes of talking to you, do you know so and so, yeah I know him, yeah, he's alright isn't he? You can cut to the chase quickly and the first person they mention, just say, yes, he is a proper ****, they can only slate people for so long before they **** off
In reply to Post #30
I'd agree with that.
Grew up sea angling with my dad and it's like a different world. Even now every October there's a great turnout for a memorial competition in his name and a mix of (very) old and new faces each time that are good humoured and helpful .
'Carpers' and Facebook. ... perfect storm for moron breeding unfortunately
I'd agree with that.
Grew up sea angling with my dad and it's like a different world. Even now every October there's a great turnout for a memorial competition in his name and a mix of (very) old and new faces each time that are good humoured and helpful .
'Carpers' and Facebook. ... perfect storm for moron breeding unfortunately
Same happens on here if you care to look a little deeper at some of the threads
I'm very fortunate in so much i don't fish busy places at the moment,I have done,and met some good anglers,and a fair few inexperienced people to boot..
However,I feel that that the big picture,right now is about how our freedoms and basic rights of our previous life are being taken away ,by stealth and manipulation under the guise of 'covid'..
That should be of the utmost concern to anyone who asks questions,or queries the narrative..
Do you want to live as free as possible,or every move you make ,controlled by fear,and the government agenda..
This is the real important issues,not some one on weed or banging a bivvy peg into the ground loudly..
Good luck...
However,I feel that that the big picture,right now is about how our freedoms and basic rights of our previous life are being taken away ,by stealth and manipulation under the guise of 'covid'..
That should be of the utmost concern to anyone who asks questions,or queries the narrative..
Do you want to live as free as possible,or every move you make ,controlled by fear,and the government agenda..
This is the real important issues,not some one on weed or banging a bivvy peg into the ground loudly..
Good luck...
A overwhelmingly large majority of carp anglings new and recent disciples have found the camping lazing about style of angling a slice of heaven for its suitability to practice their real hobby of getting smashed etc as once they sample the relative comfort of the bivvy they sure ain't going back to standing on street corners, bit like a cuckoo these wasters have found a new home. Due to the way carp angling has been promoted they have created a welcome home for what's seen now and sold out the spirit of carp angling for the usual winner financial gain.
What I've found mate is people will slate what your trying to sell to get it cheaper or put it down to help themselves, there is no need for it mate a lot of idiots on Facebook who think they know better than anyone else I try to ignore them all now
In reply to Post #46
I see a lot of that. The street is now bank, each to their own of course
The one thing about carpfishing for me is. I have never had the intention to scrounge a living from it or be famous and that just seems to be the one single goal of a lot of people these days. I have always gone for one thing, pleasure and because I love it, a get away from normal life
I think the pastime has changed massively over the last 20 years and the last 10 has just accelerated beyond belief and it's about people trying to make a living from it or be famous for me, otherwise there would be no animosity
Years ago you had a bit of a result and you sent your pictures off to the angling times etc. no bitterness as I saw it, just people with a passion who shared the same interest, interested in what others were doing and a bit of respect. Sent a few in myself but stopped, I got recognised on a couple of waters and thought that is the last thing I wanted! Fast forward a few years and I used to post on another forum, did the same again, used to post a few fish, one season had a result and could not believe how many shallow people there actually are carpfishing, couldn't get near the water / swims for around 2 years, one bloke punished the spot for a whole season, absolutely unreal
So aside to the above, why you would want to be a “know” angler is beyond me but I guess that's the era we live in, everybody wants to be an authority on the pastime. Notice how I didn't say sport, that's because I take absolutely nothing from it and only leave footprints, how it should be for me
I see a lot of that. The street is now bank, each to their own of course
The one thing about carpfishing for me is. I have never had the intention to scrounge a living from it or be famous and that just seems to be the one single goal of a lot of people these days. I have always gone for one thing, pleasure and because I love it, a get away from normal life
I think the pastime has changed massively over the last 20 years and the last 10 has just accelerated beyond belief and it's about people trying to make a living from it or be famous for me, otherwise there would be no animosity
Years ago you had a bit of a result and you sent your pictures off to the angling times etc. no bitterness as I saw it, just people with a passion who shared the same interest, interested in what others were doing and a bit of respect. Sent a few in myself but stopped, I got recognised on a couple of waters and thought that is the last thing I wanted! Fast forward a few years and I used to post on another forum, did the same again, used to post a few fish, one season had a result and could not believe how many shallow people there actually are carpfishing, couldn't get near the water / swims for around 2 years, one bloke punished the spot for a whole season, absolutely unreal
So aside to the above, why you would want to be a “know” angler is beyond me but I guess that's the era we live in, everybody wants to be an authority on the pastime. Notice how I didn't say sport, that's because I take absolutely nothing from it and only leave footprints, how it should be for me