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Protein. (52 posts / 5,217 views)
christian
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Post #31 10 Dec 2020 19:33
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My experience suggests that fish that were either spawned in the lake or stocked as small fish just do not have the same enthusiasm for fishmeal based boilies than those reared on pellets seem to.

In fact I don't think they are as turned on by proteins as much as they are by sugars, which I cannot explain at all.
frothey frothey
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Post #32 10 Dec 2020 19:51
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Tell that to all the fish in the 80's.......
essesxandy essesxandy
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Post #33 10 Dec 2020 21:18
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I'm also absolutely convinced that some fish are way more predatory than most realise. And I'm not talking about eating fry, but eating silvers and perch of five inches or bigger.
Beep
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Post #34 10 Dec 2020 21:26
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I've seen a typical roach scatter, when some jump out, some skim the surface and all going in different directions as if a pike has struck and watched a double figure common come out the water feet from the bank, in the winter.
It's a natural resource that will be exploited when the easier larders are at there least.
scaley&dark
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Post #35 11 Dec 2020 00:21
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Absolutely.
People don't believe how some carp are predators.
Freshly laid carp eggs,various fry, dead fish, daphnia, snails. Weed.

Hudson Hudson
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Post #36 11 Dec 2020 01:04
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Lol weed? Predatory?
NickGordon NickGordon
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Post #37 11 Dec 2020 04:59
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How many years experience?

I can give you numbers of lakes that the fish respond to fishmeal even though they were spawned in the lake, where small fish were stocked, captured as fry in one lake and moved to another.

Taverham Mills, the fish were stocked from various sources, some Redmire fish, in the 1990's the fish loved fishmeal boilies, had a distinct preference over birdfoods, even when the boilies were fished over hemp.
Earith, original fish, fishmeal boilies scored heavily, particles rarely worked.

I honestly think that the 'fashion' for fishmeal switched off because the cost rose to bait manufacturers, as a result of the price rise, bait manufacturers had to switch to other ingredients like nut meals and the anglers were 'conned' into thinking fishmeals were no longer the best.





keeperboy
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Post #38 11 Dec 2020 07:08
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I have still never found anything that compares with fishmeal but I still say the ultimate blend contains Milks and bird foods to make them work
scozza
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Post #39 11 Dec 2020 07:35
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I honestly think that the 'fashion' for fishmeal switched off because the cost rose to bait manufacturers, as a result of the price rise, bait manufacturers had to switch to other ingredients like nut meals and the anglers were 'conned' into thinking fishmeals were no longer the best.

Could be a lot of truth in that, pea protein meal!

It's any interesting one the protein content, what was once an obsession seems to have tailored off £ or different thinking?

Fishmeal man myself, not tried many nut baits but they certainly do work. The question has to be asked, what does a carp really want or should it be need? Ferrety who used to post on here wrote an interesting post once, lots of controversy. Carp love them, it's that simple, there's also a reason why!

Interesting?

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Matthew_Aremu2/publication/316595924/figure/tbl1/AS:613925817184292@1523382729787/Amino-acid-profiles-of-tiger-nut-g-100g-crude-protein.png
christian
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Post #40 11 Dec 2020 09:47
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Too many years I'm afraid, but not that many waters but then I know them well. I have fished a couple of low stocked waters where accidental (floods) stocking have bought new fish into the lakes, fish fed on pellets. Even years later these fish come out on fishmeals more than other baits and the original fish seem to avoid capture or fall to particles. The offspring of the new fish behave like the originals.

These are only my experiences of course but I am convinced that in these waters these distinctions apply.

Every water is different of course and I fish other waters where I have not noticed these patterns at all.
Riggy Riggy
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Post #41 11 Dec 2020 11:19
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Double Post
Riggy Riggy
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Post #42 11 Dec 2020 11:19
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I was guested at Langly Park in the 90's probably December time when a guy spinning for pike with a six inch plug complete with two treble hooks hooked and landed the biggest carp in the lake fairly in the bottom lip!! I guess when naturals are scarce in winter everything including silvers are looked upon as food!

I was that dumbfounded I took a picture of plug in place before the chap unhooked it.

Michael
viking
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Post #43 11 Dec 2020 13:02
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I put some crucian carp fry in the tank with my fingerling carp and they all got eaten.
They was 25-30% the length of the carp.
I saw one carp with one half sticking out its mouth pushing the tail of the crucian against the wall, seemingly trying to force it down its mouth.
keeperboy
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Post #44 11 Dec 2020 14:26
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My carp cleared a lake of sticklebacks within a season! They love fry!
I still think that to catch a really hard to catch carp, you need either a very good bait or a lure (bright pop up etc)
viking
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Post #45 11 Dec 2020 21:03
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I have seen the speewing up sticklebacks on the mat. They are obviously competent predators at times.
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