In reply to Post #31
Under the scenario you lay out the fish would have gone beyond their optimum feeding range and be presenting symptoms of stress due to low oxygen directly related to high temperatures. Why then would they then want to start to feed and head to even warmer area of the lake with even less O2?
So no, that's not what Im saying.
Under the scenario you lay out the fish would have gone beyond their optimum feeding range and be presenting symptoms of stress due to low oxygen directly related to high temperatures. Why then would they then want to start to feed and head to even warmer area of the lake with even less O2?
So no, that's not what Im saying.
Pressure is a very big influence on this for me and I'm on about angling pressure, not air pressure.
A large pit with decent water temperatures with a new strong wind and low angling pressure the carp will not be far off it in my experiences. I've fished a few over the years and the number one thing I used to do was watch the weather and predominantly the expected changes in wind direction. I used to go and bait those banks a couple of days before I used to fish and it's worked for me on a few occasions when I have been struggling elsewhere.
I have fished some pressured waters and applied the same principles and what I did come to realise on some, I mainly used to catch the smaller fish
I seriously think that you need to understand every water and the fish habits in it. Carp are not what they once were for me in some waters, the old patterns and expectations etc. You start with pressured fish and they can be unpredictable for me, but that can be carp in general some days
All part of the challenge and what keeps us going I guess
A large pit with decent water temperatures with a new strong wind and low angling pressure the carp will not be far off it in my experiences. I've fished a few over the years and the number one thing I used to do was watch the weather and predominantly the expected changes in wind direction. I used to go and bait those banks a couple of days before I used to fish and it's worked for me on a few occasions when I have been struggling elsewhere.
I have fished some pressured waters and applied the same principles and what I did come to realise on some, I mainly used to catch the smaller fish
I seriously think that you need to understand every water and the fish habits in it. Carp are not what they once were for me in some waters, the old patterns and expectations etc. You start with pressured fish and they can be unpredictable for me, but that can be carp in general some days
All part of the challenge and what keeps us going I guess
In reply to Post #30
Can you explain the following.
If I allow the plants in my pond to grow to excess they then use too much oxygen overnight.
On a summer morning the carp would then gasp because of a low oxygen level.
As the sun comes up and photosynthesis starts to replenish the oxygen, the fish are happy again. The oxygen level has gone up even though the water temperature rises and as we agree the water cannot hold so much oxygen at a higher temperature.
Using your theory, air pressure would replenish oxygen overnight and keep the O2 level at or near the 100% saturation point so the fish would not have the described problem
Can you explain the following.
If I allow the plants in my pond to grow to excess they then use too much oxygen overnight.
On a summer morning the carp would then gasp because of a low oxygen level.
As the sun comes up and photosynthesis starts to replenish the oxygen, the fish are happy again. The oxygen level has gone up even though the water temperature rises and as we agree the water cannot hold so much oxygen at a higher temperature.
Using your theory, air pressure would replenish oxygen overnight and keep the O2 level at or near the 100% saturation point so the fish would not have the described problem
In reply to Post #32
I fished in the scenario I posted about and the fish quickly got on the wind & feed, I was always under the impression it was due to quite a few factors, temperatures, oxygen, food pushed in, possible coloured water, etc.
The above hasn't happened just once either.
I fished in the scenario I posted about and the fish quickly got on the wind & feed, I was always under the impression it was due to quite a few factors, temperatures, oxygen, food pushed in, possible coloured water, etc.
The above hasn't happened just once either.
In reply to Post #35
It was a trick question. I thought you were being polite...
It was a trick question. I thought you were being polite...
In reply to Post #36
No trick question at all, a genuine one, I thought your answer would have mirrored mine but with a different reason.
You seem to be contradicting yourself with regards oxygen in some of your posts, I feel there is more to it than warmer water, I'll leave it there and wish you all the best.
No trick question at all, a genuine one, I thought your answer would have mirrored mine but with a different reason.
You seem to be contradicting yourself with regards oxygen in some of your posts, I feel there is more to it than warmer water, I'll leave it there and wish you all the best.
In reply to Post #36
To misquote Joe Pesci, perhaps the principles of biology and physics just don't apply to your garden pond...
I've made my points based upon biology and physics. I haven't got the time for the Worrif Brigade.
If you really want to understand water, talk to a fish farmer or read https://www.amazon.co.uk/Living-Water-Schauberger-Secrets-Natural/dp/0717133907
To misquote Joe Pesci, perhaps the principles of biology and physics just don't apply to your garden pond...
I've made my points based upon biology and physics. I haven't got the time for the Worrif Brigade.
If you really want to understand water, talk to a fish farmer or read https://www.amazon.co.uk/Living-Water-Schauberger-Secrets-Natural/dp/0717133907
It can't just be temperature related. In august when water temps are very high, why would they move to get even warmer. In the shallows they must nearly boil in August.
In reply to Post #39
Biology and physics dont account for what carp "want" to do. Just what they need. I might be hungry I.e. need food but go to the pub instead because it's more fun. Fish are living creatures and are stimulated by things other than what they need imo.
Biology and physics dont account for what carp "want" to do. Just what they need. I might be hungry I.e. need food but go to the pub instead because it's more fun. Fish are living creatures and are stimulated by things other than what they need imo.
In reply to Post #1
In winter I rarely rely on wind at all.
The fish will often have moved into 'winter quarters', that is areas which they prefer to stay during the cooler months from October or November until March, and any wind will rarely move them from those spots.
Saying that, there are times when other factors influence them. A spate of floodwater, heavy rain and non-freezing temperatures may keep them moving about a bit.
A few years ago in January I ended up fishing into a northerly as the carp had moved due to an influx of mel****er moving them from their usual winter haunt to an area where the flow was less. Three 20's and a high double over 4nights meant I had got it right (for a change).
One lake I used to fish, shaped lake a capital E, the carp would stay in the middle arm all winter, nearest to the snags.
Yet another lake I could only catch fish from January to March in a particular silty area of the lake, no matter what the weather.
Certain swims can hold the majority of the carp in the water.
Best bet is take a slow lap, looking for signs, bird watching, tufties and coots can be handy indicators of fish. A coot suddenly surfacing with a 'squawk' and guilty look 😖😆 could have been spooked by a carp.
Tufties can often feed on the same spots as carp, but be aware, they can just be clearing leftover bait.
You may not spot anything, but it is always worthwhile going on history, especially if you can keep in touch or know the water well.
In winter I rarely rely on wind at all.
The fish will often have moved into 'winter quarters', that is areas which they prefer to stay during the cooler months from October or November until March, and any wind will rarely move them from those spots.
Saying that, there are times when other factors influence them. A spate of floodwater, heavy rain and non-freezing temperatures may keep them moving about a bit.
A few years ago in January I ended up fishing into a northerly as the carp had moved due to an influx of mel****er moving them from their usual winter haunt to an area where the flow was less. Three 20's and a high double over 4nights meant I had got it right (for a change).
One lake I used to fish, shaped lake a capital E, the carp would stay in the middle arm all winter, nearest to the snags.
Yet another lake I could only catch fish from January to March in a particular silty area of the lake, no matter what the weather.
Certain swims can hold the majority of the carp in the water.
Best bet is take a slow lap, looking for signs, bird watching, tufties and coots can be handy indicators of fish. A coot suddenly surfacing with a 'squawk' and guilty look 😖😆 could have been spooked by a carp.
Tufties can often feed on the same spots as carp, but be aware, they can just be clearing leftover bait.
You may not spot anything, but it is always worthwhile going on history, especially if you can keep in touch or know the water well.
A DO meter is an important item in my tackle bag...I take its findings as a matter of fact. If they are not after food or oxygen then I am buggered if I know what they are there for. Still, JiT is clearly very knowledgeable...I like the traps he sets! 
In reply to Post #41
Wild creatures do not have "wants" - they only have needs, and only 3 of those - security - food - reproduction.
I would speculate in that order of importance too.
They will be where the current priority dictates they will be.
Any talk of "wants" is a pointless anthropomorphic judgement.
Wild creatures do not have "wants" - they only have needs, and only 3 of those - security - food - reproduction.
I would speculate in that order of importance too.
They will be where the current priority dictates they will be.
Any talk of "wants" is a pointless anthropomorphic judgement.
In reply to Post #44
Wild creatures do not have "wants" - they only have needs, and only 3 of those - security - food - reproduction.
Assume we include warmth/oxygen with security?
Ok I agree its anthropomorphism on my part lol.
I have known individual fish that show clear preferences for certain areas that others do not. I'd expect most anglers with experience of chasing individual fish have seen this. Coupled with the individual traits of said fish I always kinda related this to a "personality" of sorts - but when I consider the security aspect - it does explain it.
Wild creatures do not have "wants" - they only have needs, and only 3 of those - security - food - reproduction.
Assume we include warmth/oxygen with security?
Ok I agree its anthropomorphism on my part lol.
I have known individual fish that show clear preferences for certain areas that others do not. I'd expect most anglers with experience of chasing individual fish have seen this. Coupled with the individual traits of said fish I always kinda related this to a "personality" of sorts - but when I consider the security aspect - it does explain it.
In reply to Post #45
I think order of dominance accounts for our perceived personality in fish.
If the more dominant fish protect an area of food or sanctuary at a certain time, less dominant ones will have to settle for second best.
The more dominant fish are not necessarily the largest either.
I think order of dominance accounts for our perceived personality in fish.
If the more dominant fish protect an area of food or sanctuary at a certain time, less dominant ones will have to settle for second best.
The more dominant fish are not necessarily the largest either.