In reply to Post #15
That's quite a recovery
In the early days I used NT Labs Care kit, ulcer swab and something else I can't quite remember, a cross over from keeping Koi.
Re propolis and my comment earlier I'd be interested to know if those that have it think it smells strongly of Clove.
The sample selected in the study I'm assuming was all sourced from Europe (hard to tell but a fair assumption thinking cost) but if you read into it the best sources of propolis potentially for Carp application, ie those with the highest amount of anti bacterial/fungal compounds they come from South America, specifically of note Brazil. Hence my interest, not all propolis sources are equal, (well, it is a natural blended product to boot too) so to regard all propolis products as ineffective might not be quite right. Be interesting if tests were done to ascertain active ingredients but I can't see companies paying for that. There are papers out there on the web that have tested them, I've linked them on here before but might be pre server reboot.
That's quite a recovery
In the early days I used NT Labs Care kit, ulcer swab and something else I can't quite remember, a cross over from keeping Koi.
Re propolis and my comment earlier I'd be interested to know if those that have it think it smells strongly of Clove.
The sample selected in the study I'm assuming was all sourced from Europe (hard to tell but a fair assumption thinking cost) but if you read into it the best sources of propolis potentially for Carp application, ie those with the highest amount of anti bacterial/fungal compounds they come from South America, specifically of note Brazil. Hence my interest, not all propolis sources are equal, (well, it is a natural blended product to boot too) so to regard all propolis products as ineffective might not be quite right. Be interesting if tests were done to ascertain active ingredients but I can't see companies paying for that. There are papers out there on the web that have tested them, I've linked them on here before but might be pre server reboot.
The biggest takeaway from it, imo, is that none of these products have actually been tested as to whether they do what they say they do.
We just 'think'it does what we want.
The first study into what they actually do shows they don't work like we thought they did.
Also, propolis was actually shown in the study to hinder new cell growth in carp to the extent that it starts a process of controlled cell death. That is bad. Bad.
Its like when Drs used to prescribe cigarettes for chest complaints.
We just 'think'it does what we want.
The first study into what they actually do shows they don't work like we thought they did.
Also, propolis was actually shown in the study to hinder new cell growth in carp to the extent that it starts a process of controlled cell death. That is bad. Bad.
Its like when Drs used to prescribe cigarettes for chest complaints.
My biggest question is how, considering it has natural antibacterial properties, propolis doesn’t work. Or didn’t for them in their study at least. Obviously studies have limitations too. Having done my own and been around plenty, there is always limitations and many are often recreated with different results.
But all in all. Think we all knew the effectiveness would never be great anyway. Really we should lather them with honey, nature’s medicine.
But all in all. Think we all knew the effectiveness would never be great anyway. Really we should lather them with honey, nature’s medicine.
In reply to Post #17
Also, propolis was actually shown in the study to hinder new cell growth in carp to the extent that it starts a process of controlled cell death. That is bad. Bad.
Yes and no, it can be very good, in that it kills infected cells preventing the disease from spreading further and faster than it would normally. Most human topical surgical iodine based preps do the same thing.
The biggest takeaway from it, imo, is that none of these products have actually been tested as to whether they do what they say they do.
You're not wrong, scary really, but we anglers acted in good faith.
Also, propolis was actually shown in the study to hinder new cell growth in carp to the extent that it starts a process of controlled cell death. That is bad. Bad.
Yes and no, it can be very good, in that it kills infected cells preventing the disease from spreading further and faster than it would normally. Most human topical surgical iodine based preps do the same thing.
The biggest takeaway from it, imo, is that none of these products have actually been tested as to whether they do what they say they do.
You're not wrong, scary really, but we anglers acted in good faith.
In reply to Post #9
I caught a cassien carp that showed the same central wound of your common, the difference is that it has been happened few days earlier and it was flesh open. Not a good vision indeed.
I would like to show you the pictures, but it's too difficult for me to put pictures on here LOL
I caught a cassien carp that showed the same central wound of your common, the difference is that it has been happened few days earlier and it was flesh open. Not a good vision indeed.
I would like to show you the pictures, but it's too difficult for me to put pictures on here LOL
In reply to Post #12
That's my guess to Leon. They then get sucked into the vortex of the blades.
That's my guess to Leon. They then get sucked into the vortex of the blades.
In reply to Post #20
That one was likely a year or so before. The gashes were still red/open at the bottom of the missing parts. It was feeding okay. It hardly put up any fight, but it's tail was slashed across the top of the root.
Superglued that up with waterproof superglue.
Crazy isn't it how hardy they actually are.
That one was likely a year or so before. The gashes were still red/open at the bottom of the missing parts. It was feeding okay. It hardly put up any fight, but it's tail was slashed across the top of the root.
Superglued that up with waterproof superglue.
Crazy isn't it how hardy they actually are.
Quite exciting really, with the new season staring we’ll go from ‘show me your carp care kit’ to im just gonna frisk you down to make sure you don’t have any carp care products.
I've always stuck to the stuff Vets use - Tamodine , it may be expensive but it does go a long way, and it most defiantly works 100%.
In reply to Post #23
The world has gone mad
The world has gone mad
Looking at it from a koi keepers perspective, just whacking some propolis on a carps wound is the dumbest thing ever, treating ulcers and wounds in fish is always a multi step approach, at the minimum the wounds should be disinfected, cleaned then a propolis or powder put on after. Just using propolis is trapping any bacteria in the wound making it easier for necrosis
In reply to Post #22
They're really hardy, if they don't got caught in some vital organs hardly they die.
Another example that comes me to mind is a low double carp that when I put on the mat I spotted some strange nylon coming off its body, after a closer check I realise that it was embedded all around its body. After cutted the nylon I was been able gently to take off all the line. Probably this poor fish has been used as a live bait for predatort when it was a little carp and came off, or was released after the session without cut the line (or maybe it has been tied just for fun
who knows) this little bugger has grown with a line that has cut its flesh but it's survived.
They are hard but at the same time they should be delicate creatures if we don't act in the right way.
They're really hardy, if they don't got caught in some vital organs hardly they die.
Another example that comes me to mind is a low double carp that when I put on the mat I spotted some strange nylon coming off its body, after a closer check I realise that it was embedded all around its body. After cutted the nylon I was been able gently to take off all the line. Probably this poor fish has been used as a live bait for predatort when it was a little carp and came off, or was released after the session without cut the line (or maybe it has been tied just for fun
who knows) this little bugger has grown with a line that has cut its flesh but it's survived.They are hard but at the same time they should be delicate creatures if we don't act in the right way.
Funny isn't it that bait companies now have to list ingredients on something the fish can choose to eat, or not and yet on the other hand you can sell a 'medicine' for carp without any testing or proof that it does what it claims, or even that it simply isn't harmful.
I'll be honest, I haven't put any medication on any of my own carp in ten years. I do on other people's fish if they state that they want you to.
I'll be honest, I haven't put any medication on any of my own carp in ten years. I do on other people's fish if they state that they want you to.
I've had to spend about £60 to ensure I never land a fish without having carp care immediately on hand for all of my kits. Why do people in charge of clubs, jump on the nearest band wagon without doing meaningful research. Barbed/ barbless, cradles/ mats with walls/ mats without walls. Dropping the lead, nuts, floaters, particles, cork balls, plastic baits, leaders, zigs, wading, drones, alcohol, hook size, particles or not, boilies or not. Groundbait limits, minimum line strength, max line strength, there's probably many more I've missed. It's getting hard to just turn up and fish. That's if you can get into a bloody half decent swim, as for moving onto fish during a " cheeky overnighter " you're having a giraffe. If you don't get there on Monday morning and wait, forget it.I'm close to going back to Gudgeon fishing on the Thames. That's if there's any left. The lake (river fed), I used to catch them in as a kid has barely any fish left due to pollution.
In reply to Post #29
What a crash out
What a crash out