In reply to Post #9
They won't be as dense, therefore won't cast as far due to the aerodynamics, they will be vastly more expensive, pushing our pastime further into the realm of a rich man only hobby.
They won't be as dense, therefore won't cast as far due to the aerodynamics, they will be vastly more expensive, pushing our pastime further into the realm of a rich man only hobby.
In reply to Post #16
Not necessarily true
https://www.total-fishing-tackle.com/evolve-tackle-flat-pear-in-line-weight?ps=MjE0PTMxMDI=&srsltid=AfmBOorqRG_NDQx9z2cjSyODkvZNhSOQj9M5J-aDn62IJeXyq4PaOBUTnKs#214=3102
Not necessarily true
https://www.total-fishing-tackle.com/evolve-tackle-flat-pear-in-line-weight?ps=MjE0PTMxMDI=&srsltid=AfmBOorqRG_NDQx9z2cjSyODkvZNhSOQj9M5J-aDn62IJeXyq4PaOBUTnKs#214=3102
In reply to Post #17
Only £2.80 for a 4oz weight, you won't be dropping those buggers will you. Doesn't state size either. I'm sure they are an excellent product. Very expensive, and you will have to buy every other item to accommodate their use. I'm hsving to work beyond retirement age already, I will have to pack this lark in if it gets much more expensive.
Only £2.80 for a 4oz weight, you won't be dropping those buggers will you. Doesn't state size either. I'm sure they are an excellent product. Very expensive, and you will have to buy every other item to accommodate their use. I'm hsving to work beyond retirement age already, I will have to pack this lark in if it gets much more expensive.
In reply to Post #17
Massive difference in densities, so a concrete weight would be considerably bigger.
Concrete 2.3 grams per cubic centimeter
Steel 7.85 g per cubic centimeter
Lead 11.34 grams per cubic centimeter
Massive difference in densities, so a concrete weight would be considerably bigger.
Concrete 2.3 grams per cubic centimeter
Steel 7.85 g per cubic centimeter
Lead 11.34 grams per cubic centimeter
In reply to Post #16
Thats ok, everyone will be using bait boats soon so wont need to worry about casting 🤣
Thats ok, everyone will be using bait boats soon so wont need to worry about casting 🤣
In reply to Post #20
In reply to Post #1
Good, about time. I've voiced my opinion on leads before. Can you imagine in all honesty trying to justify to a anti campaigner the chucking of ozs of lead into waters to catch a fish, even worse ensuring the lead drops off each time.
Dinsmore have had lead free out there for how long, we'll priced too. Density v size, if we'd never had lead you'd know no better, so it's a moot point and the fish won't care, but you might lose a few yards on the cast....big deal.
Anglers should be demanding change, not waiting for laws to force us, and tackle companies should take the lead, its embarrassing in this day and age!
Good, about time. I've voiced my opinion on leads before. Can you imagine in all honesty trying to justify to a anti campaigner the chucking of ozs of lead into waters to catch a fish, even worse ensuring the lead drops off each time.
Dinsmore have had lead free out there for how long, we'll priced too. Density v size, if we'd never had lead you'd know no better, so it's a moot point and the fish won't care, but you might lose a few yards on the cast....big deal.
Anglers should be demanding change, not waiting for laws to force us, and tackle companies should take the lead, its embarrassing in this day and age!
Is lead really an issue? Majority of leads are coated in plastic, which stops the lead even touching the environment. The plastic then becomes an issue does it not for decades, if it ever degrades to a point that the lead then interacts with the environment. I say if it ever does because encased in silt for example the breakdown time of the plastic will be elongated further.
Still think alternatives should be researched but in the face of it, rarely a carp lead is used that's uncoated lead, not in this country anyway. IF the REACH stuff is enforced in the UK, is coating a lead not just a workaround anyway?
Still think alternatives should be researched but in the face of it, rarely a carp lead is used that's uncoated lead, not in this country anyway. IF the REACH stuff is enforced in the UK, is coating a lead not just a workaround anyway?
In reply to Post #23
never happen, and the fact I am still using lead shot that was banned sooo many years ago, and more can be bought at near enough every car boot sale, i could'nt care less.
And how will it even be enforced, its not even as though my rod licence is checked?
never happen, and the fact I am still using lead shot that was banned sooo many years ago, and more can be bought at near enough every car boot sale, i could'nt care less.
And how will it even be enforced, its not even as though my rod licence is checked?
Is this the same bloke that only allows you to fish his lake if you submit to his will of using his bait and his terminal tackle? Now he's making a big hoo haa to get lead banned? When he sells an alternative? Wow.
As has already been pointed out, all of your houses, the water comes to you through lead pipes. So it's okay for you, or your children and grandchildren to ingest daily for their whole lives? But it's not okay to use as a fishing weight? Really???
He is also making a big hoo haa about certain practices on weedy waters of dropping the lead? Wow. Where does this lead to? Weedless barren lakes next, just so he can sell some extra Stonez?
In the world we live in today, we are never far away from fishing being stopped altogether. Yet we have people 'within' who will facilitate this with the antis and give them all the information that they need for their own personal gain? I agree with others, the bloke is an absolute grade A idiot.
I have nothing really against lead being banned. What I do take great aversion to is anglers from within our pastime with a financial interest who start causing big problems for us. This is a very slippery slope. Ask yourself this.... If he did not sell an alternative, do you think he would be doing this? That statement is clearly having a dig at the other terminal tackle manufacturers. He also very cleverly leaves out the fact that he sells an alternative in that statement too.
Cockwomble sums it up perfectly who ever said that!
As has already been pointed out, all of your houses, the water comes to you through lead pipes. So it's okay for you, or your children and grandchildren to ingest daily for their whole lives? But it's not okay to use as a fishing weight? Really???
He is also making a big hoo haa about certain practices on weedy waters of dropping the lead? Wow. Where does this lead to? Weedless barren lakes next, just so he can sell some extra Stonez?
In the world we live in today, we are never far away from fishing being stopped altogether. Yet we have people 'within' who will facilitate this with the antis and give them all the information that they need for their own personal gain? I agree with others, the bloke is an absolute grade A idiot.
I have nothing really against lead being banned. What I do take great aversion to is anglers from within our pastime with a financial interest who start causing big problems for us. This is a very slippery slope. Ask yourself this.... If he did not sell an alternative, do you think he would be doing this? That statement is clearly having a dig at the other terminal tackle manufacturers. He also very cleverly leaves out the fact that he sells an alternative in that statement too.
Cockwomble sums it up perfectly who ever said that!
Needs a UK based company to invest going down this route, they're not going to cast great distances with them being gripper style but if they can design them in grippers I wouldn't imagine a distance casting shape would be too hard to sort out, Eco options are out there at fairly reasonable prices in Europe the shipping kills it getting them to the UK in any volume.
If you hit the read more below the short description its interesting that they say the weight is heavier per cm3 than all other lead alternatives and can be fished out with a magnet as well as take on the liquids/flavours etc.. 100 gram is circa 3.5oz
LINKY POO™ https://www.muziker.co.uk/eco-sinkers-grippa-swivel-100g
If you hit the read more below the short description its interesting that they say the weight is heavier per cm3 than all other lead alternatives and can be fished out with a magnet as well as take on the liquids/flavours etc.. 100 gram is circa 3.5oz
LINKY POO™ https://www.muziker.co.uk/eco-sinkers-grippa-swivel-100g
In reply to Post #26
They look good mate.
In a similar fashion to the anglers fishing his lake, he seems to be trying to force anglers to buy his products. Let's have it right, I've never seen anyone using the Stonez, not ever, so they are hardly popular. It's the whole forcing people to use his stuff that really gets my goat. That is clearly what is going on here with a hidden agenda. But one that could cause massive damage for us as a pastime with the antis. He does not seem to care about that clearly.
I remember when he came out with the Stonez he was saying all this same stuff about lead. But with freewill no one is that interested... So instead, he will try to force anglers to buy his products... In a similar fashion to what he does on his lake.
It all smacks of utter desperation to ram his product down peoples throat, if they want it or not.
If he gets lead banned, I would use every alternative available, EXCEPT his product.
What are the ramifications of all this? Lead ejection systems outlawed. No more lead clips for a start. This could have major implications for the large tackle manufacturers. It will also stop future investment in products. Who is going to spend fortunes bringing new products to the market when they could be banned on someone else's whim? How many lead makers will go out of business overnight? How many extra tackle shops will this put under? All holding large stock of paid for products, about to become banned, and useless.
Nothing is eating a 3oz lead. Nothing whatsoever. Our own drinking water comes to us in unlined lead pipes. So talk of contaminating drinking water is absolute garbage. Don't see anyone crying to have lead piping for drinking water removed from virtually every home in the country? Don't see anyone paying to have this work done on their own home themselves. Are the ducks more important than your own children?
They look good mate.
In a similar fashion to the anglers fishing his lake, he seems to be trying to force anglers to buy his products. Let's have it right, I've never seen anyone using the Stonez, not ever, so they are hardly popular. It's the whole forcing people to use his stuff that really gets my goat. That is clearly what is going on here with a hidden agenda. But one that could cause massive damage for us as a pastime with the antis. He does not seem to care about that clearly.
I remember when he came out with the Stonez he was saying all this same stuff about lead. But with freewill no one is that interested... So instead, he will try to force anglers to buy his products... In a similar fashion to what he does on his lake.
It all smacks of utter desperation to ram his product down peoples throat, if they want it or not.
If he gets lead banned, I would use every alternative available, EXCEPT his product.
What are the ramifications of all this? Lead ejection systems outlawed. No more lead clips for a start. This could have major implications for the large tackle manufacturers. It will also stop future investment in products. Who is going to spend fortunes bringing new products to the market when they could be banned on someone else's whim? How many lead makers will go out of business overnight? How many extra tackle shops will this put under? All holding large stock of paid for products, about to become banned, and useless.
Nothing is eating a 3oz lead. Nothing whatsoever. Our own drinking water comes to us in unlined lead pipes. So talk of contaminating drinking water is absolute garbage. Don't see anyone crying to have lead piping for drinking water removed from virtually every home in the country? Don't see anyone paying to have this work done on their own home themselves. Are the ducks more important than your own children?
In reply to Post #26
I like the idea of those Eco's taking on liquids, great idea
I like the idea of those Eco's taking on liquids, great idea
In reply to Post #28
I don't want the fish to try and pick up the lead and eat it
I don't want the fish to try and pick up the lead and eat it
In reply to Post #19
Who said concrete ,not me , there are alternatives such as resin or resin tungsten.
19.254 grams per cubic cm for tungsten so considerably heavier than lead.
Who said concrete ,not me , there are alternatives such as resin or resin tungsten.
19.254 grams per cubic cm for tungsten so considerably heavier than lead.