In reply to Post #12
That was my point if you re read 👍
Iso Soya if they abide by the main ingredient rule
I used that emoji as a laugh because of what people will probably assume from Soya, personally I don't have a issue with it in bait, semo either!
That was my point if you re read 👍
Iso Soya if they abide by the main ingredient rule
I used that emoji as a laugh because of what people will probably assume from Soya, personally I don't have a issue with it in bait, semo either!
In reply to Post #12
Unbelievable! I wonder what that is costing them per KG to knock out.
Unbelievable! I wonder what that is costing them per KG to knock out.
In reply to Post #16
Does it say soya isolate, or full fat soya, ? Soya and semo have things to add to a bait, but I thought we had moved on from that type of bait. 24% protein is not bad, if it's all biologically convertable, what we don't know, and it's crucial is what is the attractor package.
Does it say soya isolate, or full fat soya, ? Soya and semo have things to add to a bait, but I thought we had moved on from that type of bait. 24% protein is not bad, if it's all biologically convertable, what we don't know, and it's crucial is what is the attractor package.
In reply to Post #12
Wow ! You don't need much more reason than that to start thinking about making up your own mixes. It's £55 for 5kg for what is little more than a carrier bait. If it works, then it's definitely a triumph of the attractors over the actual base mix ingredients !
Wow ! You don't need much more reason than that to start thinking about making up your own mixes. It's £55 for 5kg for what is little more than a carrier bait. If it works, then it's definitely a triumph of the attractors over the actual base mix ingredients !
In reply to Post #19
When I first saw it advertised, I thought that it contained Fish Protein Isolate. Silly old me 😂
When I first saw it advertised, I thought that it contained Fish Protein Isolate. Silly old me 😂
ISAW Semo............in shops now 👍
So I was in AD earlier and looked at cell. Same ingredients minus the fishmeal and first 4 ingredients upped in % full fat soya 33%
And in essential Cell 39% full fat soya!!!
And in essential Cell 39% full fat soya!!!
In reply to Post #22
Wow:P
Tbh, fished with the grange (plus milky toffee) back in the day, then with activ8, and also with some ready's, salmon and shrimp, and did really well on all. So, not knocking them, but it's just not worth it for what is in those baits, unless you believe in magically activating and fermenting and more magic which isn't listed anywhere. But i guess most will come to the same conclusion, right
(ok, maybe i shouldn't have said that about grange/activ8, i do believe they had some proper extra's in them, not what people make them out to be, but very potent nevertheless)
Wow:P
Tbh, fished with the grange (plus milky toffee) back in the day, then with activ8, and also with some ready's, salmon and shrimp, and did really well on all. So, not knocking them, but it's just not worth it for what is in those baits, unless you believe in magically activating and fermenting and more magic which isn't listed anywhere. But i guess most will come to the same conclusion, right
(ok, maybe i shouldn't have said that about grange/activ8, i do believe they had some proper extra's in them, not what people make them out to be, but very potent nevertheless)
In reply to Post #23
Activ 8 best they did. Fish loved the boilied ham flavour
Activ 8 best they did. Fish loved the boilied ham flavour
In reply to Post #24
Nope, proper Grange with strawberry ade and hookbaits soaked in Nash's strawberry oil palatant. If only I had a hot tub Time Machine.....
Nope, proper Grange with strawberry ade and hookbaits soaked in Nash's strawberry oil palatant. If only I had a hot tub Time Machine.....
Probably one of the most successful bait companies over the last couple of decades. Let's face it, we are in an era where, say, 80% of anglers don't know jack **** about bait, Mainline do it for them. Like them or loathe them their baits catch fish, you could argue popularity, etc but they produce the goods
I think one thing to consider, they have never really been knocking out what you could call and HNV milk protein costly bait, Acitv 8 was not loaded with fish meal. I suppose on reflection there is some learning because “all these crap” ingredients are catching fish. Now whether it's an enzyme or whatever they use they cracked a code a long time ago for me and made a bait that is super attractive to carp. I would be thinking why is it so good because you could fish them along side any other bait and I would put my money on them to catch
How many people now think the HNV theory is a load of bollox
I think one thing to consider, they have never really been knocking out what you could call and HNV milk protein costly bait, Acitv 8 was not loaded with fish meal. I suppose on reflection there is some learning because “all these crap” ingredients are catching fish. Now whether it's an enzyme or whatever they use they cracked a code a long time ago for me and made a bait that is super attractive to carp. I would be thinking why is it so good because you could fish them along side any other bait and I would put my money on them to catch
How many people now think the HNV theory is a load of bollox
In reply to Post #26
I honestly think and have done for a long while now. Mainline have got their liquid attractors working as the catalyst for their success. I also think that whilst the base mixes (on paper it appears?!?) are relatively basic. They also complement the liquid food package superbly.
Around 10 or so years ago, a friend of mine had a very successful summer/autumn campaign making his own Cell boilies. His motives for making his own bait were purely financial and he was cutting the ready made base mix 50/50 with Maize meal to keep the cost down. It was around then, that I realised the power of the bait was predominantly the liquid attractor as he was using at the recommended inclusion levels.
I honestly think and have done for a long while now. Mainline have got their liquid attractors working as the catalyst for their success. I also think that whilst the base mixes (on paper it appears?!?) are relatively basic. They also complement the liquid food package superbly.
Around 10 or so years ago, a friend of mine had a very successful summer/autumn campaign making his own Cell boilies. His motives for making his own bait were purely financial and he was cutting the ready made base mix 50/50 with Maize meal to keep the cost down. It was around then, that I realised the power of the bait was predominantly the liquid attractor as he was using at the recommended inclusion levels.
For all the lads who say, oh it's sawdust, breadcrumbs etc, they don't know how the baits work and I certainly don't, but when you consider that with some research you can find additives that make a relatively simple mix easier to digest, make it very attractive on multiple levels and cheap. I always thought they used alpha amylase in the liquid to convert some starch to maltose making the bait softer and ineffective in shelf life format but after lots of research from my own bait ideas I wouldn't be surprised if they are using something else, a digestive aid as well as a major olfactory trigger.
In reply to Post #27
I completely concur. In my opinion, they've found a straightforward formula that is effective and likely serves as the foundation for much of their product range. Their ability to utilize cost-effective ingredients has enabled them to allocate substantial resources to marketing efforts.
Considering the health benefits of fermented foods for humans, as well as their allure, including mildly processed foods like cheese and yogurt, it becomes clear why these foods are so enjoyable to consume. It's hardly surprising that nature and wildlife have a similar affinity for them.
I completely concur. In my opinion, they've found a straightforward formula that is effective and likely serves as the foundation for much of their product range. Their ability to utilize cost-effective ingredients has enabled them to allocate substantial resources to marketing efforts.
Considering the health benefits of fermented foods for humans, as well as their allure, including mildly processed foods like cheese and yogurt, it becomes clear why these foods are so enjoyable to consume. It's hardly surprising that nature and wildlife have a similar affinity for them.
I don't know anything about mainline baits and commercial baits in general, apart for few pop up's pots (less than 10 pots, indeed) I bought only 1 trigga ice 5 kilos bag for my first cassien's trip l, just to have with me something the carp may already had eaten.
But, every bait maker that has began with a basic mix and then tried to add more complex ingredients inside the concoction know well that isn't to go high on protein ingredients, whether fish protein or milk protein isn't important, that makes a really good baits.
More than 1 time I had come to a good simple bird food bait (just to name one kind, may be a 50/50 or others) that catch really well, than try to improve the bait with ingredients (may be liquid or not) to get a more complex and nutrient bait just to get only a drop in carp in front of the camera. It cost me some carp that's for sure, but it's a learning curve and a part of the pleasure of the baits making, and we have to remember that we can learn always something news, it's a growing process. Now I have some base mix (no one have fish meals or high protein milk in it) that I trust.
I think the company as mainline, Nash, ccmoore (just to name a few) from a commercial point of view (they have to maximise their profits) they have to make a bait that catch carp with the cheapest ingredients. For me they have a base mix that works and makes little change, 10% fish meal or few grams of liver, shrimp, krill or whatever you want in it and work with liquids to give them a label.
I'm pretty sure that if mainline take off the 10% fish from the bait in discussion and put 5%semo/5%maize or only one of the both in its place, the bait caught the same amount of carp.
But, every bait maker that has began with a basic mix and then tried to add more complex ingredients inside the concoction know well that isn't to go high on protein ingredients, whether fish protein or milk protein isn't important, that makes a really good baits.
More than 1 time I had come to a good simple bird food bait (just to name one kind, may be a 50/50 or others) that catch really well, than try to improve the bait with ingredients (may be liquid or not) to get a more complex and nutrient bait just to get only a drop in carp in front of the camera. It cost me some carp that's for sure, but it's a learning curve and a part of the pleasure of the baits making, and we have to remember that we can learn always something news, it's a growing process. Now I have some base mix (no one have fish meals or high protein milk in it) that I trust.
I think the company as mainline, Nash, ccmoore (just to name a few) from a commercial point of view (they have to maximise their profits) they have to make a bait that catch carp with the cheapest ingredients. For me they have a base mix that works and makes little change, 10% fish meal or few grams of liver, shrimp, krill or whatever you want in it and work with liquids to give them a label.
I'm pretty sure that if mainline take off the 10% fish from the bait in discussion and put 5%semo/5%maize or only one of the both in its place, the bait caught the same amount of carp.