In reply to Post #1
Not sure what the full break time down is but I would think of them like this is you wanted to use them. If you use these and pellets of varying sizes and then your chosen boilie broken up and whole you could get a pretty good bit of attraction in your swim for quite a while, this WILL pull silvers in and then hopefully carp
Ball pellets were the originals and I can't say I have ever used them or ever will but something different can work. Carp fishing is a pretty simple pastime made difficulty by idiots try to make a living from it or trying to be famous. All you need to do is put a bait in a spot where the carp will visit and feed, that's the tricky bit that a lot of people just don't get
Not sure what the full break time down is but I would think of them like this is you wanted to use them. If you use these and pellets of varying sizes and then your chosen boilie broken up and whole you could get a pretty good bit of attraction in your swim for quite a while, this WILL pull silvers in and then hopefully carp
Ball pellets were the originals and I can't say I have ever used them or ever will but something different can work. Carp fishing is a pretty simple pastime made difficulty by idiots try to make a living from it or trying to be famous. All you need to do is put a bait in a spot where the carp will visit and feed, that's the tricky bit that a lot of people just don't get
In reply to Post #16
Funnily enough like I said, these probably should cost half the price due to the cost of production being much lower. No eggs for a start, less binding ingredients...
The guy I get bait from knocked some up for me, with ingredients tweaks he can adjust the breakdown time to suit different temps or for whatever reason you need.
Funnily enough like I said, these probably should cost half the price due to the cost of production being much lower. No eggs for a start, less binding ingredients...
The guy I get bait from knocked some up for me, with ingredients tweaks he can adjust the breakdown time to suit different temps or for whatever reason you need.
In reply to Post #18
Unless you know the ingredients and amounts of each ingredient how could you know what they should cost?
The eggs and binders are relatively cheap compared to soluble ingredients such as milks and pre digested fishmeals. If they are not using the cheap ingredients and upping the expensive solubles (I don't claim to know if they are) then production costs would increase?
Unless you know the ingredients and amounts of each ingredient how could you know what they should cost?
The eggs and binders are relatively cheap compared to soluble ingredients such as milks and pre digested fishmeals. If they are not using the cheap ingredients and upping the expensive solubles (I don't claim to know if they are) then production costs would increase?
In reply to Post #19
Going off the cost of the bait that I was made. Which was cheaper than normal boilies but still included plenty of quality ingredients. The production process changes also, less/no cooking.
All I'm saying is, on what I know, these types of baits are cheaper to produce so could be sold for less than what a normal boilie would be.
I'm also not sure about how many eggs you buy but even wholesale they've tripled at minimum in price recently, and that's across the board.
Going off the cost of the bait that I was made. Which was cheaper than normal boilies but still included plenty of quality ingredients. The production process changes also, less/no cooking.
All I'm saying is, on what I know, these types of baits are cheaper to produce so could be sold for less than what a normal boilie would be.
I'm also not sure about how many eggs you buy but even wholesale they've tripled at minimum in price recently, and that's across the board.
In reply to Post #19
I know you're not suggesting they are good quality. But being shelf life and sold in a bucket, I can imagine these are similar Ingredients to something from a Go Outdoors bargain bin.
I know you're not suggesting they are good quality. But being shelf life and sold in a bucket, I can imagine these are similar Ingredients to something from a Go Outdoors bargain bin.
In reply to Post #19
Solubles now on the market are not soluble because companies would use expensive soluble ingreedients... They are soluble because they are not cooked/steamed for the "binders" to bind them... They are basicly just dried... Just considering that it is much cheaper (different "liquid binder" and less electricity costs). Been using solubles for years and had them made from boilie making company so know how the process works... Also many companies say they are made from same mix as boilies (big fat lie more than often) so by default they should be cheaper as making them is cheaper... There are 2 big points why companies are bringing them back... Low electricity costs and good selling point as you have to use more if you want any bait to be left on spot... They do work but they are way way overpriced, even more than other products on the market now...
Solubles now on the market are not soluble because companies would use expensive soluble ingreedients... They are soluble because they are not cooked/steamed for the "binders" to bind them... They are basicly just dried... Just considering that it is much cheaper (different "liquid binder" and less electricity costs). Been using solubles for years and had them made from boilie making company so know how the process works... Also many companies say they are made from same mix as boilies (big fat lie more than often) so by default they should be cheaper as making them is cheaper... There are 2 big points why companies are bringing them back... Low electricity costs and good selling point as you have to use more if you want any bait to be left on spot... They do work but they are way way overpriced, even more than other products on the market now...
In reply to Post #22
Not sure why they went out of fashion after the first coming a few years ago, presumably because spods came on a lot (spombs...) and if you're using a spod (or fishing close in enough to get them out with a catapult) you may as well use "normal" pellets as said already.
Pretty sur they have come back in via match fishing, in the international matches I think spodding is banned at night. If you want to get anything other than boilies out at range, it's better if they're round...
In general fishing I guess it could be an advantage to get a pellet type bait out in a wider spread than with a spod, less (weel different) disturbance etc...
By the way I would suggest "fast breakdown" would probably be a better name than "soluble" as compared to boilies.
I've not really used them, then or now, but might if the price was "reasonable", not looked.
Not sure why they went out of fashion after the first coming a few years ago, presumably because spods came on a lot (spombs...) and if you're using a spod (or fishing close in enough to get them out with a catapult) you may as well use "normal" pellets as said already.
Pretty sur they have come back in via match fishing, in the international matches I think spodding is banned at night. If you want to get anything other than boilies out at range, it's better if they're round...
In general fishing I guess it could be an advantage to get a pellet type bait out in a wider spread than with a spod, less (weel different) disturbance etc...
By the way I would suggest "fast breakdown" would probably be a better name than "soluble" as compared to boilies.
I've not really used them, then or now, but might if the price was "reasonable", not looked.
In reply to Post #1
If your baiting the margins then make a simple ground bait up to match the lakebed as best you can, easier.
If your baiting the margins then make a simple ground bait up to match the lakebed as best you can, easier.
In reply to Post #19
That was the case a few years ago but fresh eggs now makes up a considerable cost of bait making. The cheapest ive managed to find them is 18p an egg when buying 180 at a time. So 6-8 eggs per kilo soon adds up. Even powdered egg which I dont use from Bacarell is now about £15 a box which makes up to the same as about 80 eggs.
The cost of ingredients over the last few years has dramatically increased, so bait companies are left with a stark choice, either keep their mixes the same, which I like to think the good companies do and take the profit hit, cheapen the mixes, which Im sure a lot must have done, or try to find a way to bring costs down to continue to make production viable, like not using eggs, steaming or air drying instead of boiling etc.
Im finding its still possible to produce a good bait for reasonable money but im having to shop around a lot more for ingredients and be a lot more fussy on price and also availability of stock is a right pain. I log in to BAF one week to the next and ingredients have simply disappeared. Very frustrating.
That was the case a few years ago but fresh eggs now makes up a considerable cost of bait making. The cheapest ive managed to find them is 18p an egg when buying 180 at a time. So 6-8 eggs per kilo soon adds up. Even powdered egg which I dont use from Bacarell is now about £15 a box which makes up to the same as about 80 eggs.
The cost of ingredients over the last few years has dramatically increased, so bait companies are left with a stark choice, either keep their mixes the same, which I like to think the good companies do and take the profit hit, cheapen the mixes, which Im sure a lot must have done, or try to find a way to bring costs down to continue to make production viable, like not using eggs, steaming or air drying instead of boiling etc.
Im finding its still possible to produce a good bait for reasonable money but im having to shop around a lot more for ingredients and be a lot more fussy on price and also availability of stock is a right pain. I log in to BAF one week to the next and ingredients have simply disappeared. Very frustrating.
Remember buzz bait from berkley? According to the producer those were not boilied, not completely dried into marbles, but cold setting. Never caught on, but the idea was interesting.
Years ago I made up some 'solubles', or ball pellets with Trigga.
The differences were I used no eggs when I mixed up the base mix, and didn't boil them, and totally dried them out.
The breakdown was a couple of hours. I'd put them in with a catapult and throwing stick.
The differences were I used no eggs when I mixed up the base mix, and didn't boil them, and totally dried them out.
The breakdown was a couple of hours. I'd put them in with a catapult and throwing stick.
In reply to Post #10
What would the liquid be from Aldi out of interest?
What would the liquid be from Aldi out of interest?