In reply to Post #13
You could argue that it's the sale of those pop ups by manufacturers that's the problem, not I'll informed anglers using them as sight markers or discarding them.
The fact unsustainable oceanic stock is depleted to satisfy the unnatural numbers of hungry carp bred for sport and bait trends, you could say the bait industry is nature's biggest enemy 🤷🏻♂️
You could argue that it's the sale of those pop ups by manufacturers that's the problem, not I'll informed anglers using them as sight markers or discarding them.
The fact unsustainable oceanic stock is depleted to satisfy the unnatural numbers of hungry carp bred for sport and bait trends, you could say the bait industry is nature's biggest enemy 🤷🏻♂️
Very,very interesting thread this..I only have two depleted tubs of pop ups..
Mozzi ,which products ,companies use all these nasty components to make em.pop up?
Pm me if you want to..,so as not to start ww3...
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Mozzi ,which products ,companies use all these nasty components to make em.pop up?
Pm me if you want to..,so as not to start ww3...
👌
In reply to Post #15
Adding a Caseinate would with most basemix, at best, make wafters. Going by today's standards I mean.
Most of them use a product called micro encapsulated glass spheres, the ones who say they don't use spheres, use the plastic ones. There are also ceramic avaliable. They're often filled with a temperature stable gas depending on the application. They are sold by PSI rating, density and micron size.
They're potentially carcinogenic.
To use them in manufacture you should be using a full face covering and positive pressure breathing equipment. Nasty stuff. It's one of the things that caused a well known bait maker to step out the game for health reasons.
Once mixed into a pop up mix, generally speaking it's fine to work with as it's not airborne any longer due to fat molecules from other ingredients sticking to it, which is why soya flour is often an ingredient.
The worry isn't so much immediate damage to an animal ingesting it so much as it breaking down and re releasing contaminants into the water body.
Adding a Caseinate would with most basemix, at best, make wafters. Going by today's standards I mean.
Most of them use a product called micro encapsulated glass spheres, the ones who say they don't use spheres, use the plastic ones. There are also ceramic avaliable. They're often filled with a temperature stable gas depending on the application. They are sold by PSI rating, density and micron size.
They're potentially carcinogenic.
To use them in manufacture you should be using a full face covering and positive pressure breathing equipment. Nasty stuff. It's one of the things that caused a well known bait maker to step out the game for health reasons.
Once mixed into a pop up mix, generally speaking it's fine to work with as it's not airborne any longer due to fat molecules from other ingredients sticking to it, which is why soya flour is often an ingredient.
The worry isn't so much immediate damage to an animal ingesting it so much as it breaking down and re releasing contaminants into the water body.
In reply to Post #18
Basically everyone. But as I say, there is no harm in utilising it as a hookbait provided it's disposed of properly.
My opinion of course
Basically everyone. But as I say, there is no harm in utilising it as a hookbait provided it's disposed of properly.
My opinion of course
In reply to Post #19
"The worry isn't so much immediate damage to an animal ingesting it so much as it breaking down and re releasing contaminants into the water body."
Where do you stand on microplastics within fishmeals then?? They're even being found in HUMAN blood nowadays, so not at all unlikely that sea animals used for fishmeals will contain it too.
What levels are these contaminants at in pop ups that dilution wont have an effect?
"The worry isn't so much immediate damage to an animal ingesting it so much as it breaking down and re releasing contaminants into the water body."
Where do you stand on microplastics within fishmeals then?? They're even being found in HUMAN blood nowadays, so not at all unlikely that sea animals used for fishmeals will contain it too.
What levels are these contaminants at in pop ups that dilution wont have an effect?
In reply to Post #21
Well realistically you can't exactly screen for micro plastics in fishmeals can you? Only during process but this is far far less then the amount used in pop ups, frankly there is no comparison.
Obviously we'd all rather they didn't exist, however, as we've now made then and the flood gates are open, it wouldn't hurt for us to all be mindful perhaps of what we do for the future eh? No point in pouring petrol on the fire with our collective individual actions
Plastic pollution is a serious serious thing, I've started collecting customers line when I drop baits now, as well as gathering the off cuts from bag sealing, and sending out “refill pouches” of pop ups and wafters.
I'm also on paper packaging tape and a few of the local lads actually take their bait loose from buckets in the back of my motor into bags they save, be in the bag you get bread in, shop varied bags etc, one well known old school anglers takes it in Tupperware!
This is only around 25% of sales but if every small company did it you'd save hundreds and hundreds of kilos of plastic waste.
I like what Gav is doing at hand craft with the metal tins - I'll be doing so also upon completion of a few quick tests ( how the metal reacts to high salinity and acidic liquids )
Sorry to Yao on but it's about time the industry cleaned up its act, there is so much more companies could do to re-used recycle and stop from entering the system in tge first place,
Just look at what Steve Carrie at reworked is doing, turning fishing line and face masks into benches and voting booths!
Well realistically you can't exactly screen for micro plastics in fishmeals can you? Only during process but this is far far less then the amount used in pop ups, frankly there is no comparison.
Obviously we'd all rather they didn't exist, however, as we've now made then and the flood gates are open, it wouldn't hurt for us to all be mindful perhaps of what we do for the future eh? No point in pouring petrol on the fire with our collective individual actions
Plastic pollution is a serious serious thing, I've started collecting customers line when I drop baits now, as well as gathering the off cuts from bag sealing, and sending out “refill pouches” of pop ups and wafters.
I'm also on paper packaging tape and a few of the local lads actually take their bait loose from buckets in the back of my motor into bags they save, be in the bag you get bread in, shop varied bags etc, one well known old school anglers takes it in Tupperware!
This is only around 25% of sales but if every small company did it you'd save hundreds and hundreds of kilos of plastic waste.
I like what Gav is doing at hand craft with the metal tins - I'll be doing so also upon completion of a few quick tests ( how the metal reacts to high salinity and acidic liquids )
Sorry to Yao on but it's about time the industry cleaned up its act, there is so much more companies could do to re-used recycle and stop from entering the system in tge first place,
Just look at what Steve Carrie at reworked is doing, turning fishing line and face masks into benches and voting booths!
In reply to Post #20
In your opinion are the ingredients in Sticky and Mad Baits pop ups dangerous to the environment?
In your opinion are the ingredients in Sticky and Mad Baits pop ups dangerous to the environment?
In reply to Post #22
Thanks for this info, I should have known, I only just chucked 3 old baits in the margins today
Thanks for this info, I should have known, I only just chucked 3 old baits in the margins today
Only have about half a dozen tubs, after a while I give them away.
In reply to Post #22
Totally agree, much more could be done in terms of recycling or alternative packaging within the industry. If i can i collect my boilies straight from the drying racks and in to my own bags. It wouldnt take a lot for plastics to not be used for packaging plastic terminal tackle would it.
When you add it all up, pop ups, plastic beads, plastic bait screws, shrink tube, rig tubing, etc, etc. there is a lot of things that will potentially cause harm.
What I was getting at with the microplastics in fishmeals is that the fish and birds actually eat them so it gets inside them, and more fishmeals enter the water than pop ups and stay there. If there was maths that could be done I would hark a guess that between fishmeal boilies, pellets, liquids and powders that get used as bait and feed on a weekly basis, it far outweighs the risk of pop ups. Most of the fish getting stocked are probably stuffed with them from being fed pellet at the fish farms eh!
Totally agree, much more could be done in terms of recycling or alternative packaging within the industry. If i can i collect my boilies straight from the drying racks and in to my own bags. It wouldnt take a lot for plastics to not be used for packaging plastic terminal tackle would it.
When you add it all up, pop ups, plastic beads, plastic bait screws, shrink tube, rig tubing, etc, etc. there is a lot of things that will potentially cause harm.
What I was getting at with the microplastics in fishmeals is that the fish and birds actually eat them so it gets inside them, and more fishmeals enter the water than pop ups and stay there. If there was maths that could be done I would hark a guess that between fishmeal boilies, pellets, liquids and powders that get used as bait and feed on a weekly basis, it far outweighs the risk of pop ups. Most of the fish getting stocked are probably stuffed with them from being fed pellet at the fish farms eh!
In reply to Post #26
Makes you think, I saw a program that took soil samples from mountains well away from civilisation and the micro plastics they found were very high
Makes you think, I saw a program that took soil samples from mountains well away from civilisation and the micro plastics they found were very high
Its addictive isn't it..I like a rattle and sniff like the next man.. but I try to keep my addiction down to a couple of pots a year. But must admit it's a struggle.. 
Some of you seem to have got it bad. We need to do more to raise awareness to this condition....
Some of you seem to have got it bad. We need to do more to raise awareness to this condition....
In reply to Post #1
i think ive got over 100 pots from loads of companies...strange, as i cant get rid of them.
i think ive got over 100 pots from loads of companies...strange, as i cant get rid of them.
I was talking about this to a fellow angler today - I have over 40. Considering I started fishing again in September after a few years off I couldn't believe it 😂
Why do people have so many pots of pop ups? I've got one pot that is simply a cork ball that matches my bottom bait and I rarely use these.