Lots of variables, some places don't see enough others to much, like a lot of things it's the better anglers who get it right more often then not.
There's definitely a good logic in it
less bait means more competition for food, means the fish are more likely to pick up your hookbait.
but then they guy on the next peg thinks 'i'll just put a bit extra in' and then the next guy, and the next and so on until you're back to everyone keeping the bait company profits high and the lake full of rotting boilies....
I've never done the whole bucketfull of boilies thing. I'll seek out what look like the likelier spots for a bite, watch the water, try different baits etc. maybe a pva bag or stringer but that's me.
maybe i'd have caught more with a skip full of bait but who knows?
less bait means more competition for food, means the fish are more likely to pick up your hookbait.
but then they guy on the next peg thinks 'i'll just put a bit extra in' and then the next guy, and the next and so on until you're back to everyone keeping the bait company profits high and the lake full of rotting boilies....
I've never done the whole bucketfull of boilies thing. I'll seek out what look like the likelier spots for a bite, watch the water, try different baits etc. maybe a pva bag or stringer but that's me.
maybe i'd have caught more with a skip full of bait but who knows?
In reply to Post #17
I agree thats its not a feasible suggestion as it pretty much impossible to implement, short of rules dictating bait limits which would also be impossible to uphold. It was more of a thought experiment. And something ive believed should be true for years. Ive regularly seen people spod for 2-3 hours straight then question why they didnt catch on their overnighter well there is about a million reasons scattered around your hookbaits as to why you didnt. And probably why the next guy won't either.
I agree thats its not a feasible suggestion as it pretty much impossible to implement, short of rules dictating bait limits which would also be impossible to uphold. It was more of a thought experiment. And something ive believed should be true for years. Ive regularly seen people spod for 2-3 hours straight then question why they didnt catch on their overnighter well there is about a million reasons scattered around your hookbaits as to why you didnt. And probably why the next guy won't either.
its why a decent fresh bait should be used, if its not eaten by the fish it will pop up and the birds can have it..
In reply to Post #18
It would be an interesting one Dave, say they limited anglers to say 1kg of bait per day?
I reckon most people would have a better chance, show how good certain baits are and stop all these idiots
Spodding the granny art of it with crap bait polluting the water
Wouldn't grow the owners fish on so quick though unless it was a rich water
It would be an interesting one Dave, say they limited anglers to say 1kg of bait per day?
I reckon most people would have a better chance, show how good certain baits are and stop all these idiots
Spodding the granny art of it with crap bait polluting the water
Wouldn't grow the owners fish on so quick though unless it was a rich water
Many years ago when French fishing really exploded in popularity I was talking to a French lake owner out there and as in a hell of a lot of French lakes the law is you have to do a drain down every so often
he did one and had to remove a complete truck load of cheap rock hard boilies that had littered the bottom of the lake admittedly the cheap and nasty baits are not so available now thank god
on the plus side with the better quality baits now growth rates and general well being of fish has improved
to prove that point in the very early days I was fishing Cut Mill pond Farnham and was lucky enough to be in the inner circle at the time fishing with Fred Wiltons bait and my catches were at that time nothing short of amazing
this was pre hair days of course when people like lovely Vic Gillings was fishing with black eyed peas anyway the fish had lots of sores on the bodies after showing photos to Fred he said maybe inadequate nutrition can make the infection worse so he did some research and gave me a bag of something to add to the mix at 2 ozs a time
2 things that could of course be coincidence and cant be proved one way or the other happened
within a week or so of baiting and fishing with the new added ingredient my catch rate went up and the fish sores started to heal !! about 6 weeks or so later there were no fish with sores being caught and you could see were some of the old sores had been sort of a grey mark
he did one and had to remove a complete truck load of cheap rock hard boilies that had littered the bottom of the lake admittedly the cheap and nasty baits are not so available now thank god
on the plus side with the better quality baits now growth rates and general well being of fish has improved
to prove that point in the very early days I was fishing Cut Mill pond Farnham and was lucky enough to be in the inner circle at the time fishing with Fred Wiltons bait and my catches were at that time nothing short of amazing
this was pre hair days of course when people like lovely Vic Gillings was fishing with black eyed peas anyway the fish had lots of sores on the bodies after showing photos to Fred he said maybe inadequate nutrition can make the infection worse so he did some research and gave me a bag of something to add to the mix at 2 ozs a time
2 things that could of course be coincidence and cant be proved one way or the other happened
within a week or so of baiting and fishing with the new added ingredient my catch rate went up and the fish sores started to heal !! about 6 weeks or so later there were no fish with sores being caught and you could see were some of the old sores had been sort of a grey mark
In reply to Post #20
I have seen sensible limits imposed on a couple of smallish lakes with limited stock but they probably are the exception.
I have seen sensible limits imposed on a couple of smallish lakes with limited stock but they probably are the exception.
In reply to Post #1
Hold my hands up I've not read the whole thread but one thing is for sure, if we used less bait there wouldn't be so many problems with weed on so many waters.
Hold my hands up I've not read the whole thread but one thing is for sure, if we used less bait there wouldn't be so many problems with weed on so many waters.
Absolutely agree that far too much bait goes in alot of waters and can kill the fishing for us.
I fished a lake in france a couple of years ago and as everyone does when they go to france most of us took a fair bit of bait/boilies.
Most of us went through 10-20kg each and had a a couple of fish each (it wasnt an easy water). One guy who came with us literally just brought a few tubs of pop ups, no loose feed at all. He had 4 or 5 fish just fishing singles.
Deffo a time and a place to put in the bait but its not always required to have a good hit of fish! Totally depends on the water and fish stocks
I fished a lake in france a couple of years ago and as everyone does when they go to france most of us took a fair bit of bait/boilies.
Most of us went through 10-20kg each and had a a couple of fish each (it wasnt an easy water). One guy who came with us literally just brought a few tubs of pop ups, no loose feed at all. He had 4 or 5 fish just fishing singles.
Deffo a time and a place to put in the bait but its not always required to have a good hit of fish! Totally depends on the water and fish stocks
In reply to Post #1
On some waters catches could well improve, although...
Years ago when I joined Nazeing Meads I started on Brackens; one of the rules on Brackens was no bait to be introduced unless by PVA, so only mesh or stringers. The regulars at the time were only fishing singles or a small bag or stringer, so I decided to go opposite and fish massive stringers, and cast a number in before fishing. 30 casts with 30 boilie stringers was more bait than most were fishing. In that first year I cleaned up, plenty of fish.
I think almost everyone has said that most anglers get to a swim, pile it in, then cast onto it, sit, wait, blank and go home. The fish can pick and choose what they want, they don't settle, there is plenty around.
I have also seen halibut pellets put in in so large a quantity they soured the lakebed. Fish wouldn't come into the area for ages. The pellets (or the oil in them) killed the weed in the spot, and didn't breakdown completely for months.
Sometimes though, especially with small bait items, (particles usually, but mini boilies can work) unless you put enough in you don't get a degree of pre-occupation.
On heavily pressured waters, I do think work your way into the session, don't pile it in, you can always add more gradually but you can't take it out.
On some waters catches could well improve, although...
Years ago when I joined Nazeing Meads I started on Brackens; one of the rules on Brackens was no bait to be introduced unless by PVA, so only mesh or stringers. The regulars at the time were only fishing singles or a small bag or stringer, so I decided to go opposite and fish massive stringers, and cast a number in before fishing. 30 casts with 30 boilie stringers was more bait than most were fishing. In that first year I cleaned up, plenty of fish.
I think almost everyone has said that most anglers get to a swim, pile it in, then cast onto it, sit, wait, blank and go home. The fish can pick and choose what they want, they don't settle, there is plenty around.
I have also seen halibut pellets put in in so large a quantity they soured the lakebed. Fish wouldn't come into the area for ages. The pellets (or the oil in them) killed the weed in the spot, and didn't breakdown completely for months.
Sometimes though, especially with small bait items, (particles usually, but mini boilies can work) unless you put enough in you don't get a degree of pre-occupation.
On heavily pressured waters, I do think work your way into the session, don't pile it in, you can always add more gradually but you can't take it out.
In reply to Post #25
I've just listened to the latest DNA baits podcast where they interview 'Roger Bacon' he talks about using 45k (yes forty five kilo) of bait in a session 😮. That really made me stop and think about what it must be like to use that much bait !
I've just listened to the latest DNA baits podcast where they interview 'Roger Bacon' he talks about using 45k (yes forty five kilo) of bait in a session 😮. That really made me stop and think about what it must be like to use that much bait !
In reply to Post #26
You should read Jim Shelley's books!
One example, everyone was fishing for Two Tone using singles etc, 2nd session he rocks up piles in 45k of pigeon mix and has it 2nd take!
You should read Jim Shelley's books!
One example, everyone was fishing for Two Tone using singles etc, 2nd session he rocks up piles in 45k of pigeon mix and has it 2nd take!
In reply to Post #27
That's his style
I have often sat back and analysed it and when you think about it he probably putting a few years worth of bait in compared to most other anglers in a matter of weeks and months, fishing it hard and hammering them out
Most will be doing their routines, putting a few KG in and sitting it out and catching a few fish over a few years
There's more to it than meets the eye for me, think about it...
That's his style
I have often sat back and analysed it and when you think about it he probably putting a few years worth of bait in compared to most other anglers in a matter of weeks and months, fishing it hard and hammering them out
Most will be doing their routines, putting a few KG in and sitting it out and catching a few fish over a few years
There's more to it than meets the eye for me, think about it...
In reply to Post #27
I take it he used a boat to put that out ? Surely be didn't spod 45k of pidgeon mix 💪💪
I take it he used a boat to put that out ? Surely be didn't spod 45k of pidgeon mix 💪💪
In reply to Post #29
Lol, reminds me when I was young, brave & stupid of attempting to do just that in a kids dingy, no life jacket, paddle and 2 dustbin sacks full of conditioner. It wasn't far from the bank but was over 15ft depth, I manhandled the first sack onto the edge of the dingy and it made the side cave so water was entering quite rapidly, when it released over the side it almost took me with it! Had to do it all over again with the second sack, all the while my mate was crying with laughter. Never done it again like that, scared the crap out of me.
Lol, reminds me when I was young, brave & stupid of attempting to do just that in a kids dingy, no life jacket, paddle and 2 dustbin sacks full of conditioner. It wasn't far from the bank but was over 15ft depth, I manhandled the first sack onto the edge of the dingy and it made the side cave so water was entering quite rapidly, when it released over the side it almost took me with it! Had to do it all over again with the second sack, all the while my mate was crying with laughter. Never done it again like that, scared the crap out of me.