hi all ,
have had some good results and have enjoyed rolling my own baits with the mix from baf , now theyve geared themselves more to trade customers/larger amounts i thought id try to make up the basemix myself, but using the recipe that was posted on here a while back im. finding that works out a bit expensive , buying from aa baits the individual ingredients are working out nearly twice as much (depending on amount purchased ) . how can that be , is it just economies of scale or am i missing something ?
have had some good results and have enjoyed rolling my own baits with the mix from baf , now theyve geared themselves more to trade customers/larger amounts i thought id try to make up the basemix myself, but using the recipe that was posted on here a while back im. finding that works out a bit expensive , buying from aa baits the individual ingredients are working out nearly twice as much (depending on amount purchased ) . how can that be , is it just economies of scale or am i missing something ?
In reply to Post #1
Because of the bulk they get it in at you'll never compete getting 5-25kg bags.
The mix itself is very good.
Because of the bulk they get it in at you'll never compete getting 5-25kg bags.
The mix itself is very good.
hi spike thanks for reply , yes am very happy with results on it so far , due to limited fishing time and mixes having a best before date was happier buying the 10 kilo bag that they did ,now have to buy 25k ,thats if i can get a trade account ( anyone applied for one ,are there any restictions/minimum orders? )
In reply to Post #3
I'm not sure mate I stopped rolling once they went to commercial only so never looked.
I'm not sure mate I stopped rolling once they went to commercial only so never looked.
In reply to Post #3
look at Krillamino at Qualitybaits ,same mix the Bait Buffs had a spaz attack when they made it.
but it was freely listed so have a look.
look at Krillamino at Qualitybaits ,same mix the Bait Buffs had a spaz attack when they made it.
but it was freely listed so have a look.
In reply to Post #5
great , thanks for info ,
was aware of their patshull park mix but didnt realise they did a version of the trop
have ordered 5kg to give it a try , good price too
great , thanks for info ,
was aware of their patshull park mix but didnt realise they did a version of the trop
have ordered 5kg to give it a try , good price too
In reply to Post #6
just looked at the BAF site and it looks as though they are no longer selling the original recipe as they do not state Krill in the list of ingredients ,Krill being one of the most attractive ingredients you wonder what they have replaced it with and have to question is it Tropamino? So it appears that Qualitybaits is the place to go to if you want the Original base mix.
just looked at the BAF site and it looks as though they are no longer selling the original recipe as they do not state Krill in the list of ingredients ,Krill being one of the most attractive ingredients you wonder what they have replaced it with and have to question is it Tropamino? So it appears that Qualitybaits is the place to go to if you want the Original base mix.
Last two batches I had for BAF floated. This was over two years ago. Quality baits stuff worked well.
In reply to Post #7
Do quality baits sell this rolled at all?
Do quality baits sell this rolled at all?
In reply to Post #9
You would have to ask Simon if he will do it ,
Main problem will be the amount you want doing I would think ?
You would have to ask Simon if he will do it ,
Main problem will be the amount you want doing I would think ?
In reply to Post #10
Cheers I have dabbled with trop in the past but don't have the means to roll it anymore unfortunately and rolling companies seem to be a thing of the past now
Cheers I have dabbled with trop in the past but don't have the means to roll it anymore unfortunately and rolling companies seem to be a thing of the past now
Had the same problem as Dickweed with the BAF Krill - you can have a look at the AA Baits HNV basemix, not identical but close and you need to add a few bits, for which they give you some suggestions
In reply to Post #12
There is always the possibility of floaters when using crustacean meals. It's probably an inconsistent product with some batches probably containing a greater proportion of buoyant shell meal. I found this out when I unwittingly substituted 6% of shrimp hydro powder with the same weight of shrimpshell powder. I knew something was amiss as soon I dropped them into the boiler and they instantly floated ! Managed to salvage the situation by freezing the dough and then later mixing it into a much heavier mix. It was a 5 KG mix, the ducks would have loved me 😂
There is always the possibility of floaters when using crustacean meals. It's probably an inconsistent product with some batches probably containing a greater proportion of buoyant shell meal. I found this out when I unwittingly substituted 6% of shrimp hydro powder with the same weight of shrimpshell powder. I knew something was amiss as soon I dropped them into the boiler and they instantly floated ! Managed to salvage the situation by freezing the dough and then later mixing it into a much heavier mix. It was a 5 KG mix, the ducks would have loved me 😂
If you're worried. Add 50g per kg if limestone flour into the mix. They fly out with a stick then
In reply to Post #12
So what you are saying is if you want Tropamino go buy AA baits HNV then add to it and you will have something like it ,with no real idea the quantities of each ingredient included, I am sure this is a very satisfactory base mix, but not fulfilling the aim of the original concept where a base mix was put together by a group of anglers/bait makers so they knew chapter and verse, exactly what they were using.
Alternatively you can get the actual base mix ,which includes Krill meal ,made to the actual recipe that was posted on this forum some years ago , by Baitman from Qualitybaits using TOP Quality Krill meal which when mixed with eggs and a flavour then rolled and boiled without delay ,dose not float.
So what you are saying is if you want Tropamino go buy AA baits HNV then add to it and you will have something like it ,with no real idea the quantities of each ingredient included, I am sure this is a very satisfactory base mix, but not fulfilling the aim of the original concept where a base mix was put together by a group of anglers/bait makers so they knew chapter and verse, exactly what they were using.
Alternatively you can get the actual base mix ,which includes Krill meal ,made to the actual recipe that was posted on this forum some years ago , by Baitman from Qualitybaits using TOP Quality Krill meal which when mixed with eggs and a flavour then rolled and boiled without delay ,dose not float.
TROPAMINO, HMBB Group Bait, created 18/03/18
200 LT94
200 CLO
100 PDFM
100 Krill
50g WPC
50g Acid Casein
50g Rennet Casein
100 Semo
100 Full fat soya
50 Brocacel
Liquids Spice etc
20ml Salmon oil
40 ml Krill Hydro
40ml Liver Hydro
2 ml BAF Tropical fruit flavour
3ml BAF B sweetener
15g Chilli powder
15g Paprika
7g Betaine
8 small eggs
At 18mm 2 min boil
200 LT94
200 CLO
100 PDFM
100 Krill
50g WPC
50g Acid Casein
50g Rennet Casein
100 Semo
100 Full fat soya
50 Brocacel
Liquids Spice etc
20ml Salmon oil
40 ml Krill Hydro
40ml Liver Hydro
2 ml BAF Tropical fruit flavour
3ml BAF B sweetener
15g Chilli powder
15g Paprika
7g Betaine
8 small eggs
At 18mm 2 min boil
If I was to use Tropamino again I would certainly buy the individual ingredients and put together myself.
Base mix plus garlic and fenugreek added at low levels. None of the other stuff in the second list.
Base mix plus garlic and fenugreek added at low levels. None of the other stuff in the second list.
In reply to Post #17
If you didn't add the stuff in the second list it wouldn't be the Tropamino would it?
If you didn't add the stuff in the second list it wouldn't be the Tropamino would it?
When I was purchasing 10 kg of Tropamino I didn't recall it coming with liquids included.
In reply to Post #19
From memory you could buy it with or without liquids at some point.
I bought 10kg and it came with liquids... not sure if it was all them ones or not. All from BAF
From memory you could buy it with or without liquids at some point.
I bought 10kg and it came with liquids... not sure if it was all them ones or not. All from BAF
In reply to Post #18
They were the liquids used in the original mix.
They were the liquids used in the original mix.
In reply to Post #17
Its the base mix that counts ,which is good , all it needs is rolling with or without a flavour and the other bits ,the best probably being the Paprika and the Chilli powder ,
As Dickweed says Garlic and Fenugreek is all it needs.
Its the base mix that counts ,which is good , all it needs is rolling with or without a flavour and the other bits ,the best probably being the Paprika and the Chilli powder ,
As Dickweed says Garlic and Fenugreek is all it needs.
In reply to Post #22
do you know if quality baits have added the paprika & chilli ? not listed in their ingredient list ,but dont want to add twice
do you know if quality baits have added the paprika & chilli ? not listed in their ingredient list ,but dont want to add twice
In reply to Post #23
Ive have asked them to let you know
Ive have asked them to let you know
In reply to Post #24
Last time I ordered some from them they hadn't - it was just the ingredients in the top half of the list
Last time I ordered some from them they hadn't - it was just the ingredients in the top half of the list
In reply to Post #25
thought so , tried a little bit , no hint of spice at all ,getting the fishmeals though
asked the wife for a second opinion ,got declined
thought so , tried a little bit , no hint of spice at all ,getting the fishmeals though
asked the wife for a second opinion ,got declined
In reply to Post #26
Have you tried rolling it yet.?
Have you tried rolling it yet.?
In reply to Post #27
not yet no , life keeps getting in the way , glad really as would like to add the spices & betaine as per the baf recipe , have those bits in basket with aa baits
not yet no , life keeps getting in the way , glad really as would like to add the spices & betaine as per the baf recipe , have those bits in basket with aa baits
In reply to Post #28
It's not the BAF recipe, it's the HMBB recipe.
Let me know how it rolls please
It's not the BAF recipe, it's the HMBB recipe.
Let me know how it rolls please
In reply to Post #29
ah ok , no worries , will do
ah ok , no worries , will do
Iv emailed them last week to see if spice and Paprika included
No reply yet week later ,
So iv added Paprika and Betaine and few other bits to aa baits list ,
Whats the best Betaine hcl or Anhydrous
And whats a good alternative to BAF B sweetener
Aa baits do Creamy B+ and NHDC sweetener not sure if these will work or not
The fruit part think i go with john bakers plum and maybe ala solar
No reply yet week later ,
So iv added Paprika and Betaine and few other bits to aa baits list ,
Whats the best Betaine hcl or Anhydrous
And whats a good alternative to BAF B sweetener
Aa baits do Creamy B+ and NHDC sweetener not sure if these will work or not
The fruit part think i go with john bakers plum and maybe ala solar
In reply to Post #31
I prefer the anhydrous betaine.
Nhdc is a great sweetener, but combining 2 sweeteners will carry the sweet taste much further.
So, combine both I would say
I prefer the anhydrous betaine.
Nhdc is a great sweetener, but combining 2 sweeteners will carry the sweet taste much further.
So, combine both I would say
In reply to Post #31
Honey or Molasses are great sweeteners - I've used them both in Trop and they've worked well
Honey or Molasses are great sweeteners - I've used them both in Trop and they've worked well
Has anyone orderd this lately ,
And how dose there krill etc in the mix match up to baf one , is it a decent or cheap mix ,
Iv been waiting to place a order but smallest they do is 5k base mix now and not sure of there standerd.. pluss iv emailed them 2 times now and still no reply 3 weeks later so bit gun shy on placing order ...
Aa baita need get this mix on there website with all the extra goodies needed
And how dose there krill etc in the mix match up to baf one , is it a decent or cheap mix ,
Iv been waiting to place a order but smallest they do is 5k base mix now and not sure of there standerd.. pluss iv emailed them 2 times now and still no reply 3 weeks later so bit gun shy on placing order ...
Aa baita need get this mix on there website with all the extra goodies needed
In reply to Post #34
as BAF do not put Krill in the mix they make its a 100 % better and on top of that their Krill does not cause the bait to float, which is possibly why BAF don't ,put it in.
Qualitybaits has been going for over 30 years , the mix is the exact original Mix.
I would suggest you contact through the site on Spotify if you want to know anything.
I am sure they can add the spice if you want.
as BAF do not put Krill in the mix they make its a 100 % better and on top of that their Krill does not cause the bait to float, which is possibly why BAF don't ,put it in.
Qualitybaits has been going for over 30 years , the mix is the exact original Mix.
I would suggest you contact through the site on Spotify if you want to know anything.
I am sure they can add the spice if you want.
In reply to Post #34
" Aa bait need get this mix on there website with all the extra goodies needed"
All you need is the base mix with or without the spice ,better with the spice and Qualitybait's Squid flavour and you will have an exceptional bait , the rest of the bits are not really necessary, just adds disproportionately to the cost of the bait.
" Aa bait need get this mix on there website with all the extra goodies needed"
All you need is the base mix with or without the spice ,better with the spice and Qualitybait's Squid flavour and you will have an exceptional bait , the rest of the bits are not really necessary, just adds disproportionately to the cost of the bait.
In reply to Post #36
How does the Trop compare to the AA baits HNV fishmeal?
I wouldn't mind giving one or both a try.
How does the Trop compare to the AA baits HNV fishmeal?
I wouldn't mind giving one or both a try.
In reply to Post #37
With the Trop you have a declared list of ingredients with the inclusion quantity, you do not with the other base mixes you buy.
With the Trop you have a declared list of ingredients with the inclusion quantity, you do not with the other base mixes you buy.
In reply to Post #38
I've ordered 5kg from Quality baits so I'll give it a roll and see how it comes out
I've ordered 5kg from Quality baits so I'll give it a roll and see how it comes out
In reply to Post #39
Let us know how you get on with it
Let us know how you get on with it
In reply to Post #40
Yeah I will....i went through all my rolling stuff and I literally have everything extra that's in the HMBB's recipe.
I've tried to join HMBB on FB 3 times now with no joy so I'll take that as a sign
Yeah I will....i went through all my rolling stuff and I literally have everything extra that's in the HMBB's recipe.
I've tried to join HMBB on FB 3 times now with no joy so I'll take that as a sign
In reply to Post #41
It's not what it used to be now unfortunately anyway since the main man passed away
It's not what it used to be now unfortunately anyway since the main man passed away
In reply to Post #42
Is that the group or the bait?
Is that the group or the bait?
In reply to Post #44
The group. Stephen was the soul behind it, and since he passed it has certainly not been as interesting. But there is still a lot of good information on there, as long as you get get through the rubbish with people claiming they are making hydro's, which in reality are fermentations.
The group. Stephen was the soul behind it, and since he passed it has certainly not been as interesting. But there is still a lot of good information on there, as long as you get get through the rubbish with people claiming they are making hydro's, which in reality are fermentations.
In reply to Post #44
Group
Group
In reply to Post #45
What type of fermentation are you referring to ? If it's using lactobacillus, then there is definitely hydrolysis taking place. Many strains produce proteases which under optimum conditions will break down proteins albeit at a slower rate than if neat enzymes are used.
What type of fermentation are you referring to ? If it's using lactobacillus, then there is definitely hydrolysis taking place. Many strains produce proteases which under optimum conditions will break down proteins albeit at a slower rate than if neat enzymes are used.
For anyone interested, I've just noticed that AA Baits now offer a new basemix called “Spicy Tropaminamino Fishmeal Basemix”. Not sure how close this is to the mix you're all discussing in this thread, but may be worth a look?
It retails for £30 near as dammit for 5kg and £96 odd for 20kg. Also available in higher quantities for bigger discounts.
It retails for £30 near as dammit for 5kg and £96 odd for 20kg. Also available in higher quantities for bigger discounts.
In reply to Post #34
https://aabaits.co.uk/product/spicy-tropaminamino-fishmeal/
https://aabaits.co.uk/product/spicy-tropaminamino-fishmeal/
In reply to Post #49
AA 's Tropmix reads well ,but you do not know the inclusion rates of any ingredient , in the mix.
AA 's Tropmix reads well ,but you do not know the inclusion rates of any ingredient , in the mix.
In reply to Post #50
I've asked but no reply as yet
I've asked but no reply as yet
In reply to Post #50
If you were them would you give away the mix formulation...I wouldn't.
If you were them would you give away the mix formulation...I wouldn't.
In reply to Post #53
Secret Sauce
if its a decent inclusion rate, their sales may go up by being more transparent. It would also be a first in the industry - no one does that.
Secret Sauce
if its a decent inclusion rate, their sales may go up by being more transparent. It would also be a first in the industry - no one does that.
In reply to Post #50
Don't think you do with many companies, even then it comes down to trust & could possibly be who made that batch on said day. No different from buying readymade bait.
AA Baits would seem like a decent outfit, I haven't heard of many negatives though I must say I haven't been looking but this forum is helpful with good / bad reviews.
Only way sometimes is to give it a whirl or the HNV fishmeal, am sure they would catch plenty if used well. My old basic 60/40 or 50/50 birdseed & fishmeal mixes caught loads and these have got far more going on.
Think we carpers definitely have a wobble regarding bait, I still do!
Don't think you do with many companies, even then it comes down to trust & could possibly be who made that batch on said day. No different from buying readymade bait.
AA Baits would seem like a decent outfit, I haven't heard of many negatives though I must say I haven't been looking but this forum is helpful with good / bad reviews.
Only way sometimes is to give it a whirl or the HNV fishmeal, am sure they would catch plenty if used well. My old basic 60/40 or 50/50 birdseed & fishmeal mixes caught loads and these have got far more going on.
Think we carpers definitely have a wobble regarding bait, I still do!
In reply to Post #54
As its based on a published recipe then I think giving the details on it could only help sales and give people a little more confidence in what they are ordering.
They wouldn't be the first...I gave the recipe for one of my baits that I used to sell many years ago...its still published on here as BM1 mix and I added (from memory) MSG, betaine and GLM to the final bait I sold plus a flavour that was made for me by the late Bob Campbell
As its based on a published recipe then I think giving the details on it could only help sales and give people a little more confidence in what they are ordering.
They wouldn't be the first...I gave the recipe for one of my baits that I used to sell many years ago...its still published on here as BM1 mix and I added (from memory) MSG, betaine and GLM to the final bait I sold plus a flavour that was made for me by the late Bob Campbell
Hi its the same with bit more .
I got fed up with no responce from 3 emails from quality baits back in aug when i asked hear .
Still no replys ,
So i emailed aa baits myself with the resipe from the og group and asked if they could knocl it up for me but with the paprika and spice added ,
Danny from aa baits has been emailing me since and has knock up a test batch his self for sale to see how it goes, i recived my batch 3 weeks back .
It has it all in same percentages with there added feed stim and somthing els.
No tropical flaver tho as i be using john bakers flavers.
They will also be bringing a nut version danny tellts me
I got fed up with no responce from 3 emails from quality baits back in aug when i asked hear .
Still no replys ,
So i emailed aa baits myself with the resipe from the og group and asked if they could knocl it up for me but with the paprika and spice added ,
Danny from aa baits has been emailing me since and has knock up a test batch his self for sale to see how it goes, i recived my batch 3 weeks back .
It has it all in same percentages with there added feed stim and somthing els.
No tropical flaver tho as i be using john bakers flavers.
They will also be bringing a nut version danny tellts me
In reply to Post #50
This is a bit cheeky from AA in my opinion, i thought they were above that.
The Trop was never meant to be commercially available, only later did the originators of the mix give permission for BAF to mix it and sell it. It seems Quality baits and now AA have jumped on others work and the trops reputation for their own financial gain.
I appreciate the recipe was put out there so some may say fair game. But still doesnt sit right with me, especially AA, where they are using the name but the recipe isn't even the same
This is a bit cheeky from AA in my opinion, i thought they were above that.
The Trop was never meant to be commercially available, only later did the originators of the mix give permission for BAF to mix it and sell it. It seems Quality baits and now AA have jumped on others work and the trops reputation for their own financial gain.
I appreciate the recipe was put out there so some may say fair game. But still doesnt sit right with me, especially AA, where they are using the name but the recipe isn't even the same
In reply to Post #57
I think they should list the exact recipe to at least respect the original group. Like open source software any tweaks are shared for the community to use. People can then buy with better confidence they are getting what they think they are getting.
I think they should list the exact recipe to at least respect the original group. Like open source software any tweaks are shared for the community to use. People can then buy with better confidence they are getting what they think they are getting.
In reply to Post #59
Programmers and carp anglers have different mentalities.
Don't know if this will work out.
Nevertheless, in EU the ingredients should be listed on every bag of bait sold.
Is this similar in the UK?
At least you know what is in it 😉
Programmers and carp anglers have different mentalities.
Don't know if this will work out.
Nevertheless, in EU the ingredients should be listed on every bag of bait sold.
Is this similar in the UK?
At least you know what is in it 😉
In reply to Post #60
Useful, However, is there any governing body that checks the contents?
Lets be honest, if unchecked, they could pretty much say that these baits contain whatever they choose to list and only a very well trained eye and nose would know of a certain ingredients inclusion......
Useful, However, is there any governing body that checks the contents?
Lets be honest, if unchecked, they could pretty much say that these baits contain whatever they choose to list and only a very well trained eye and nose would know of a certain ingredients inclusion......
In reply to Post #61
I don't think AA would risk their reputation by diluting or cutting anything they sold. They are one of the most respected ingredients suppliers there is and with BAF exiting the home roller market, why would they risk their business when it's probably growing nicely.
I don't think AA would risk their reputation by diluting or cutting anything they sold. They are one of the most respected ingredients suppliers there is and with BAF exiting the home roller market, why would they risk their business when it's probably growing nicely.
In reply to Post #62
I,m really trying to cover the entire commercial bait industry across Europe with that statement. Perhaps i should have been more specific in my last post. AA baits are a very good company as are BAF, yet we must not lose sight of the fact that it is a business based on profit, ultimately. We all would love to champion these companies and put our utmost faith in them. However, take a look back at some of the posts and comments over the past few years with people stating that certain basemixes, baits etc seem to have changed, albeit sometimes for legitimate reasons, ie, the inability to source certain ingredients/attractors, Yet ask the question and the company replies that nothing has changed.
I guess at the end of the day,when we have no influence in the outcome, we have the choice to trust and accept, or make our own! Some, simply do not have that choice I guess, if the time rolling, impacts significantly on their bank hours.
I,m really trying to cover the entire commercial bait industry across Europe with that statement. Perhaps i should have been more specific in my last post. AA baits are a very good company as are BAF, yet we must not lose sight of the fact that it is a business based on profit, ultimately. We all would love to champion these companies and put our utmost faith in them. However, take a look back at some of the posts and comments over the past few years with people stating that certain basemixes, baits etc seem to have changed, albeit sometimes for legitimate reasons, ie, the inability to source certain ingredients/attractors, Yet ask the question and the company replies that nothing has changed.
I guess at the end of the day,when we have no influence in the outcome, we have the choice to trust and accept, or make our own! Some, simply do not have that choice I guess, if the time rolling, impacts significantly on their bank hours.
In reply to Post #56
Didn't mean to tar you with the same brush Smurf
I was thinking/meaning the ready blended base mix commercial sellers. If someone is going to the trouble of rolling their own bait they mostly likely lean towards knowing and caring what's in there and are going to that trouble in order to have a better bait at the end of it.
The AA thing - overall they feel like they are well meaning. I would be surprised if there was a sinister motive for not putting the HMBB link on there.... but if advertising a similar base mix on name recognition then an acknowledgement might be fair thing to do.
I was curious around the inclusion levels as there are quite a few extra higher value ingredients different from the original recipe. Calcium caseinate, liver, glm, keramine. Its not a million miles away from something I've been trying this year and significantly cheaper at the larger volumes (inclusion levels dependent)
Didn't mean to tar you with the same brush Smurf
I was thinking/meaning the ready blended base mix commercial sellers. If someone is going to the trouble of rolling their own bait they mostly likely lean towards knowing and caring what's in there and are going to that trouble in order to have a better bait at the end of it.
The AA thing - overall they feel like they are well meaning. I would be surprised if there was a sinister motive for not putting the HMBB link on there.... but if advertising a similar base mix on name recognition then an acknowledgement might be fair thing to do.
I was curious around the inclusion levels as there are quite a few extra higher value ingredients different from the original recipe. Calcium caseinate, liver, glm, keramine. Its not a million miles away from something I've been trying this year and significantly cheaper at the larger volumes (inclusion levels dependent)
In reply to Post #60
Sharing ideas and recipes (like open source software) is what the HMBB group on Facebook did to produce the original recipe. I suspect you are right though that 99% of carp anglers would not share this but the 1% did to start off with. AA baits would join this top 1% if they id likewise and listed the full recipe. I haven't a clue if they are on the HMBB group or not, probably not as they try to keep commercial accounts out.
Most bait or base mixes in the UK do not list the ingredients. They probably should but this is just not policed and trading standards who would do this have other issues to worry about that are much more important than a bit of fishing bait. Other than at import stage is this enforce in the EU?
Sharing ideas and recipes (like open source software) is what the HMBB group on Facebook did to produce the original recipe. I suspect you are right though that 99% of carp anglers would not share this but the 1% did to start off with. AA baits would join this top 1% if they id likewise and listed the full recipe. I haven't a clue if they are on the HMBB group or not, probably not as they try to keep commercial accounts out.
Most bait or base mixes in the UK do not list the ingredients. They probably should but this is just not policed and trading standards who would do this have other issues to worry about that are much more important than a bit of fishing bait. Other than at import stage is this enforce in the EU?
In reply to Post #65
All bait company need to share the ingredients of there products, regardless of import or local produced baits.
The list of ingredients has to be listed from highest to lowest concentration as well.
For example: ccmoore lists the following ingredients for https://imagefa.st/image/cm5k
So, you need to have some basis to understand what they are doing... but other firms are more open on the label
All bait company need to share the ingredients of there products, regardless of import or local produced baits.
The list of ingredients has to be listed from highest to lowest concentration as well.
For example: ccmoore lists the following ingredients for https://imagefa.st/image/cm5k
So, you need to have some basis to understand what they are doing... but other firms are more open on the label
In reply to Post #66
A list of ingredients is fine, but the percentage content is the crucial thing.
It's ok to say "liver powder" for example, but is it a pinch, an ounce, a kilo...
Too easy to include all the sexy stuff on yout ingredients list, but be very economical with the amount.
A list of ingredients is fine, but the percentage content is the crucial thing.
It's ok to say "liver powder" for example, but is it a pinch, an ounce, a kilo...
Too easy to include all the sexy stuff on yout ingredients list, but be very economical with the amount.
In reply to Post #67
They must label according to inclusion rate...
So it contains more propylene glycol than CSL and yeast...
They must label according to inclusion rate...
So it contains more propylene glycol than CSL and yeast...
In reply to Post #68
Still doesn't give away the recipe especially with things like 'fish derivatives ' which is deliberately vague.
From what has been said here the AA trop mix is very close to the original but would be good to now what they have added to improve the mix. Doubt it would cost them any sales, in fact it would be great marketing!
Still doesn't give away the recipe especially with things like 'fish derivatives ' which is deliberately vague.
From what has been said here the AA trop mix is very close to the original but would be good to now what they have added to improve the mix. Doubt it would cost them any sales, in fact it would be great marketing!
In reply to Post #69
You can also list anything below 2% as a processing aid. Regardless of if it is or not from memory.
Labelling regulations is a minefield and something which most of the larger companies in world which it affect will have dedicated teams/ people working on.
As per AA baits - I believe that its the same base mix as BAF did for trop - they took on the reigns for it once BAF went wholesale at the request of some customers who still wanted to buy the mix. I have not used it for clarity.
You can also list anything below 2% as a processing aid. Regardless of if it is or not from memory.
Labelling regulations is a minefield and something which most of the larger companies in world which it affect will have dedicated teams/ people working on.
As per AA baits - I believe that its the same base mix as BAF did for trop - they took on the reigns for it once BAF went wholesale at the request of some customers who still wanted to buy the mix. I have not used it for clarity.
In reply to Post #57
Have you rolled it yet?
Have you rolled it yet?
Yeah mate i rooled the trop base mix few weeks back with john bakers plum and ala solar and opti baits blackcurent , came out nice redish and in chest freezer now ,
Still got a few kg base left will make some more in few weeks with out bakers ala solar tho as that stinks so so so bad , brand new bottle going straight in bin ,
Still got a few kg base left will make some more in few weeks with out bakers ala solar tho as that stinks so so so bad , brand new bottle going straight in bin ,
In reply to Post #73
I had amazing success on the trop with ala salar and plum from JB. Still the flavour combo I go back to. I wouldn't chuck it. Just mix it outside
I had amazing success on the trop with ala salar and plum from JB. Still the flavour combo I go back to. I wouldn't chuck it. Just mix it outside
In reply to Post #74
Best flavour combo I've ever used bar none
Best flavour combo I've ever used bar none
In reply to Post #73
brand new bottle going straight in bin
Don't do that, sell it - and put the money towards your next Trop base mix order.
JB'S ALA SALAR is TOOO Good to bin
for those of us that like to roll it
brand new bottle going straight in bin
Don't do that, sell it - and put the money towards your next Trop base mix order.
JB'S ALA SALAR is TOOO Good to bin
for those of us that like to roll it
In reply to Post #76
Thinking about adding some liquidised squid into my mix and dropping all the other liquids apart from salmon oil and a very low level flavour.
I was planning to wizz a couple of squid up and subtract the same amount from my egg? Does this sound ok? Probably 100mls which should still give me 6 eggs in the mix, will that be enough to bind it?
Thinking about adding some liquidised squid into my mix and dropping all the other liquids apart from salmon oil and a very low level flavour.
I was planning to wizz a couple of squid up and subtract the same amount from my egg? Does this sound ok? Probably 100mls which should still give me 6 eggs in the mix, will that be enough to bind it?
In reply to Post #77
Quite old school and many say it works well doing this. Never tried it myself but give it a go. I think the trop will bind/roll/boil OK with around 100ml of that in it.
One thing to consider is they will go off quite quickly with real squid liquid in them. Nothing a freezer can't fix but don't expect them to last much more than a couple of days out the freezer based on what other have said before.
Quite old school and many say it works well doing this. Never tried it myself but give it a go. I think the trop will bind/roll/boil OK with around 100ml of that in it.
One thing to consider is they will go off quite quickly with real squid liquid in them. Nothing a freezer can't fix but don't expect them to last much more than a couple of days out the freezer based on what other have said before.
In reply to Post #77
If you're removing eggs from your liquid mix just add around 10g of whole egg powder ( or a little less of egg white powder ) for each egg removed. This will compensate for any reduction in binding / gelling. I now actually only use powdered egg now as it enables me to incorporate various wet foods into my mix. Mussels, prawns, fish, liver etc. The world's your oyster ( they might be a bit pricey though ! )
If you're removing eggs from your liquid mix just add around 10g of whole egg powder ( or a little less of egg white powder ) for each egg removed. This will compensate for any reduction in binding / gelling. I now actually only use powdered egg now as it enables me to incorporate various wet foods into my mix. Mussels, prawns, fish, liver etc. The world's your oyster ( they might be a bit pricey though ! )
In reply to Post #16
So just to be clear the only company selling the True Original mix which includes Krill (one of THE best ingredients to put in a bait ) and all the ingredients at stated the stated amounts is Quality Baits.
So just to be clear the only company selling the True Original mix which includes Krill (one of THE best ingredients to put in a bait ) and all the ingredients at stated the stated amounts is Quality Baits.
In reply to Post #80
and BAF but you have to spend at least £150 with them per order
and BAF but you have to spend at least £150 with them per order
Another option would be the get the origional recipe and put together ones self.
A bit more work but at least you know whats in it.
A bit more work but at least you know whats in it.
In reply to Post #81
The reason QualityBaits first started making the Trop was because BAF could not make the base mix ,with out the resultant boilies all being rather poor pop-ups ,but they were all floaters ,Krill is not mentioned in BAF's list of ingredients , and hasn't been for sometime.
Been told that all purchasers of the Trop are being given a sample pack of an extremely simple to make Pop-Up mix all you need to add is a colour and a flavour takes a couple of minutes to mix and can be boiled ,steamed or even Microwaved.
The reason QualityBaits first started making the Trop was because BAF could not make the base mix ,with out the resultant boilies all being rather poor pop-ups ,but they were all floaters ,Krill is not mentioned in BAF's list of ingredients , and hasn't been for sometime.
Been told that all purchasers of the Trop are being given a sample pack of an extremely simple to make Pop-Up mix all you need to add is a colour and a flavour takes a couple of minutes to mix and can be boiled ,steamed or even Microwaved.
In reply to Post #82
QualityBaits Trop is the exact original formulation ,without chilli and Paprika.
No problem to get the exact original formulation it is listed on post 16
QualityBaits Trop is the exact original formulation ,without chilli and Paprika.
No problem to get the exact original formulation it is listed on post 16
I was given a few kilo of the QB stuff when it was launched.
Had a fidh in the first 20 minutes so very confident with it.
I only switched over from BAF as i have 2 x 10 kg sacks of base mix that made floaters.
Apparently caused by using an alternative krill.
Had a fidh in the first 20 minutes so very confident with it.
I only switched over from BAF as i have 2 x 10 kg sacks of base mix that made floaters.
Apparently caused by using an alternative krill.
AA Baits have their own variant(s) now, not absolutely identical - Squid rather than Krill and few different spices/enhancers.
In reply to Post #86
Agree, it's not 100% identical, but it does have krill meal in it.
" Contains:
Premium Grade LT-94 Fishmeal (100% blue whiOng, no trimmings), 100% Soluble AcOfish
Fishmeal, Premium Grade PET Krill Meal, Squid Meal, Rennet Casein, Acid Casein, Calcium
Caseinate, WPC 80%, Brocacel Yeast, In-house Blend of Spices & Premium Chilli Powder,
Premium Liver Powders, Keramine HD Powder, In-house Bait Boost
Powder h^ps://aabaits.co.uk/product/bait-boost-powder/, Full-Fat GLM Powder, Newly
Sourced Feed SOmulants, Mineral & Vitamin Supplement, Betaine and More"
Agree, it's not 100% identical, but it does have krill meal in it.
" Contains:
Premium Grade LT-94 Fishmeal (100% blue whiOng, no trimmings), 100% Soluble AcOfish
Fishmeal, Premium Grade PET Krill Meal, Squid Meal, Rennet Casein, Acid Casein, Calcium
Caseinate, WPC 80%, Brocacel Yeast, In-house Blend of Spices & Premium Chilli Powder,
Premium Liver Powders, Keramine HD Powder, In-house Bait Boost
Powder h^ps://aabaits.co.uk/product/bait-boost-powder/, Full-Fat GLM Powder, Newly
Sourced Feed SOmulants, Mineral & Vitamin Supplement, Betaine and More"
In reply to Post #87
So the base mix put together by the members of the HMBB is not available from BAF or AA baits they have both changed the recipe, Both are out of stock for sale to their customers of some of the straight ingredients needed to make the bait.
So the base mix put together by the members of the HMBB is not available from BAF or AA baits they have both changed the recipe, Both are out of stock for sale to their customers of some of the straight ingredients needed to make the bait.
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