In reply to Post #31
Jim was a keen cyclist and was always out riding Through Cuxton Village and Luddesdown Kent right into his latter days. God Bless. An inspiration.

Rest in Peace Sir.

In reply to Post #15
Does anyone know if Ken Townley is ok? I see he has not been on here since 2024 and he was also under the weather a while back with a few issues.

Has anyone been in touch recently? Thank you.

In reply to Post #14
Thought I would bump this thread as it still had some mileage in it as to the original question if Citric Acid and Betaine could be mixed in a feed bait and if so , what levels are considered effective. Would it be basemix dependent, ie, Fishmeal , milk or Birdy based, that would determine levels or would that not enter the equation?

In reply to Post #3
Didnt you have a great season using a fishmeal with JB plum when you were fishing with Carl about 12 years ago Ons>?

Or Have i got he wrong Onslow?

In reply to Post #62
I,m really trying to cover the entire commercial bait industry across Europe with that statement. Perhaps i should have been more specific in my last post. AA baits are a very good company as are BAF, yet we must not lose sight of the fact that it is a business based on profit, ultimately. We all would love to champion these companies and put our utmost faith in them. However, take a look back at some of the posts and comments over the past few years with people stating that certain basemixes, baits etc seem to have changed, albeit sometimes for legitimate reasons, ie, the inability to source certain ingredients/attractors, Yet ask the question and the company replies that nothing has changed.

I guess at the end of the day,when we have no influence in the outcome, we have the choice to trust and accept, or make our own! Some, simply do not have that choice I guess, if the time rolling, impacts significantly on their bank hours.

In reply to Post #60
Useful, However, is there any governing body that checks the contents?

Lets be honest, if unchecked, they could pretty much say that these baits contain whatever they choose to list and only a very well trained eye and nose would know of a certain ingredients inclusion......

In reply to Post #49
LOL....I here you, but i guess its just tripe. Dogs love the stuff. No accounting for taste i guess. It does bloody pong for sure.

Interesting about the beef. Again, dehydrated and powdered, i guess the possibilities of an effective blend are endless, limited only to your imagination and what the old woman will tolerate on the stench scale! lol

In reply to Post #14
Strawberry flavour, for me at least, has been one of THE MOST consistent Flavours that i have used over the past 40 years. But please do not forget, that there are strawberry flavours and there are strawberry flavours. Match this with a decent powdered Strawberry flavour in whatever form you choose, ie, nesquick, palatant pig feed, catchit labs strawberry powdered flavour, a monosaccharide sweetner, MSG and or Nucleotide flavour enhancer, plus a decent lipid source on any base and you have a winner. 28 ingredient recipes just confuse and lend nothing to the definition of what actually works within your mix.....

At Times, less is, most definitely more!

In reply to Post #47
Lets think what about the function of the liver and what it actually does in ANY animal or human. Then, allowing for all the toxicity accumulated, dependent on feed, hormones, steroids etc, It really does make you wonder just why these organs are so attractive to carp?

Going down this animal product line, has anyone tried, heart, kidney, flesh, intestines as a viable source of inclusion? Why is everything so one dimensional? Mince these, dehydrate these, Hydrolyse these and include these. I think that you will be pleasantly surprised. Blood products,both in liquid and powdered forms have always been a winnner for Carp attraction.

From my own perspective, the days of innovation have given way to lazy imitation. The instant carp angler syndrome most definitely prevails. Those that go above and behond through personal experimentation will, with a certain level of angling ability, shine much brighter.

What you put in, you will eventually receive back for your steadfast experimentation.

Christian.......Fats are KING!

In reply to Post #45
Would not the resulting hydrolysis and then subsequent dehydration, if done on a lower heat ,yet for longer, still give out the liberated amino acids from that process, thus making that powder kind of an advanced Amino 50, Keratine powder?

I would have thought that would really come into its own as a hookbait coating or an addition to a bait/basemix?

I think you could actually take that a whole step further if you chose to!