Hello, looking for some advice.
Im upgrading my set up to suit more LR fishing. First stop is reels.
Current rods: Daiwa Black Widow Carp Fishing Rod 12ft
Reels: shimano baitrunner st 10000 rb
I like the bait runner function. I know its old fashioned. The reels im looking at are
FOXEOS1200FS - seems to have good reviews.
shimano big baitrunner lc 14000 xtb - mixed reviews. Maybe subject to the clicker noise issue and line guard snapping.
Price wise there's about £90 difference for a set of three.
I was set on the XTB but fear the clicker issue! Nobody wants a silent drag.
Then there's none bait runner recommended ones from brands like PENN and Okuma.
Okuma Obsidian 12000
Penn Affinity IIII long cast 8000
The downside I hear is spare parts etc can be an issue.
I know the rods will need an upgrade. However, short term I will keep the widows and then look to get TX-2's as they seem to be a good all rounder.
Any advice on which pits to go for. My preference is a bait runner. However, if for the money and quality it makes sense move away then Im sure I would get used to it.
Im upgrading my set up to suit more LR fishing. First stop is reels.
Current rods: Daiwa Black Widow Carp Fishing Rod 12ft
Reels: shimano baitrunner st 10000 rb
I like the bait runner function. I know its old fashioned. The reels im looking at are
FOXEOS1200FS - seems to have good reviews.
shimano big baitrunner lc 14000 xtb - mixed reviews. Maybe subject to the clicker noise issue and line guard snapping.
Price wise there's about £90 difference for a set of three.
I was set on the XTB but fear the clicker issue! Nobody wants a silent drag.
Then there's none bait runner recommended ones from brands like PENN and Okuma.
Okuma Obsidian 12000
Penn Affinity IIII long cast 8000
The downside I hear is spare parts etc can be an issue.
I know the rods will need an upgrade. However, short term I will keep the widows and then look to get TX-2's as they seem to be a good all rounder.
Any advice on which pits to go for. My preference is a bait runner. However, if for the money and quality it makes sense move away then Im sure I would get used to it.
In reply to Post #1
My thoughts on this:
Fox reels - wouldn't touch them, my lad had some EOS 10000 and they were crap.
Shimano - usually good.
Okuma - good value, good reels, but you are correct about spares - non existent.
Penn - top quality reels at a reasonable price. Spares shouldn't be an issue, think you get them from Quintin Millman. Might be worth checking this with him.
I'd also add in the Mitchell Avocast 7000, good priced reasonable reels, available as freespool or QD. There's also Daiwa obviously, someone should be able to recommend a reel in a similar price range.
Good luck in your search.
My thoughts on this:
Fox reels - wouldn't touch them, my lad had some EOS 10000 and they were crap.
Shimano - usually good.
Okuma - good value, good reels, but you are correct about spares - non existent.
Penn - top quality reels at a reasonable price. Spares shouldn't be an issue, think you get them from Quintin Millman. Might be worth checking this with him.
I'd also add in the Mitchell Avocast 7000, good priced reasonable reels, available as freespool or QD. There's also Daiwa obviously, someone should be able to recommend a reel in a similar price range.
Good luck in your search.
In reply to Post #2
Thanks. To be honest I'm considering moving to QD the weight savings make sense
Thanks. To be honest I'm considering moving to QD the weight savings make sense
In reply to Post #3
The penn is a big reel in the 8000 size,the 7000 might be better.There is another penn reel a few people on here recommend,penn tidal xt i think it is
The penn is a big reel in the 8000 size,the 7000 might be better.There is another penn reel a few people on here recommend,penn tidal xt i think it is
In reply to Post #4
Thanks the Penns looks ok the only thing I've noticed is the max drags are lower than Shimamo 12kg vs 15kg and 18kg. Not really sure what that metric means but higher seems better
Thanks the Penns looks ok the only thing I've noticed is the max drags are lower than Shimamo 12kg vs 15kg and 18kg. Not really sure what that metric means but higher seems better
Try and find a deal for Daiwa Tournament 5000T's.
I appreciate they are over budget, but you probably won't need to buy another set of pits ever again (unless you want to 😃
EDIT: you may get a better result out of upgrading your rods first if your after more accurate distance though.
Second hand market could come up trumps for rods or reels too 👍
I appreciate they are over budget, but you probably won't need to buy another set of pits ever again (unless you want to 😃
EDIT: you may get a better result out of upgrading your rods first if your after more accurate distance though.
Second hand market could come up trumps for rods or reels too 👍
In reply to Post #6
They look good but way out of range.
Not really looked at Daiwa. What about the
DAIWA EMBLEM 45 SCW QD
They look good but way out of range.
Not really looked at Daiwa. What about the
DAIWA EMBLEM 45 SCW QD
In reply to Post #7
I've had Shimano, Penn and Daiwa over the years and always gone back to Daiwa.
I believe the emblems are pretty decent (or were) but not used the newer ones myself
I've had Shimano, Penn and Daiwa over the years and always gone back to Daiwa.
I believe the emblems are pretty decent (or were) but not used the newer ones myself
In reply to Post #7
I have a set of those. The Penn are a much better reel, go for the 7000 size as the 8000 are far too big
I have a set of those. The Penn are a much better reel, go for the 7000 size as the 8000 are far too big
In reply to Post #9
They look decent heavy though
They look decent heavy though
Shimano XTB - Shimano lost the plot with these - Over rated and very average reel imo (i had 6 of them at one point and all had clicker problems)
I dont understand the hate for modern Fox reels - I have FX9s and FX11's and both sets been superb.
If sold on a "premium" brand I would take Daiwa over Shimano for big pits and Shimano over Daiwa for Baitrunners
I dont understand the hate for modern Fox reels - I have FX9s and FX11's and both sets been superb.
If sold on a "premium" brand I would take Daiwa over Shimano for big pits and Shimano over Daiwa for Baitrunners
In reply to Post #11
You've convinced me to bin the Shimano. I think I'll go for a QD rather than baitrunner. They seem to be the norm and there's less parts to go wrong
You've convinced me to bin the Shimano. I think I'll go for a QD rather than baitrunner. They seem to be the norm and there's less parts to go wrong
In reply to Post #1
If you are after more distance, upgrading your rods will make far more difference than changing to a bigger reel.
I had Technium XT10000 big pits and 10000XTE smaller baitrunners, on identical rods my average cast was nine yards longer with the XT10000's. 146yards with the Tech's , 135yards with baitrunners, 3.5oz lead, .35 (15lb) Catana straight through.
If you are after more distance, upgrading your rods will make far more difference than changing to a bigger reel.
I had Technium XT10000 big pits and 10000XTE smaller baitrunners, on identical rods my average cast was nine yards longer with the XT10000's. 146yards with the Tech's , 135yards with baitrunners, 3.5oz lead, .35 (15lb) Catana straight through.
In reply to Post #10
What does it matter? They spend most of their time sat on rests
What does it matter? They spend most of their time sat on rests
If you can find them, Big Baitrunner X- TRA are the ones. Alas, in true Shimano fashion they downgrade the internals and release cheaper b,c,d models.
The clickers are still **** though. 😆
The clickers are still **** though. 😆
In reply to Post #15
Five quid for decent spool clicker .
Five quid for decent spool clicker .
In reply to Post #2
Future Reels holds all Okuma parts now and they do the servicing too. If you don't feel like dealing with the hassle yourself, you can just drop by your local Angling Direct and they'll sort out sending it to Future for you.
Future Reels holds all Okuma parts now and they do the servicing too. If you don't feel like dealing with the hassle yourself, you can just drop by your local Angling Direct and they'll sort out sending it to Future for you.
In reply to Post #16
Nothing wrong with the new clickers on the latest Shimano reels
Nothing wrong with the new clickers on the latest Shimano reels
In reply to Post #17
That's good to know Stuart as I have a set of the Inc 6000's. Historically reel servicers always said to me that they don't service Okuma due to lack of availability for spares.
That's good to know Stuart as I have a set of the Inc 6000's. Historically reel servicers always said to me that they don't service Okuma due to lack of availability for spares.
In reply to Post #12
If you change your mind and go for baitrunners - I have the Shimano XTR RA's Super Baitrunners (no longer available new) and also the X-Aero Baitrunners, both superb! .... and no clicker or any other problem with either. They both feel a different level to the XTB's
If you change your mind and go for baitrunners - I have the Shimano XTR RA's Super Baitrunners (no longer available new) and also the X-Aero Baitrunners, both superb! .... and no clicker or any other problem with either. They both feel a different level to the XTB's
In reply to Post #18
Is this true for the XTB though? What do you class as the newer reels
Is this true for the XTB though? What do you class as the newer reels
In reply to Post #21
The xtb has the older clicker,they are cheap and easy to change over.
The xtb has the older clicker,they are cheap and easy to change over.
Penn affinity 7000s for sure.
In reply to Post #22
thanks,what newer bit models have newer clickers?
thanks,what newer bit models have newer clickers?
The pens have 12kg
In reply to Post #25
You have your answer lol
In other words
The line will probably break first
You have your answer lol
In other words
The line will probably break first
In reply to Post #23
Best reels I've ever owned!
Best reels I've ever owned!
In reply to Post #18
I've got the latest ultegra xr 14000's and think they are superior to the ci4's I had previously but the spool clicker isn't great and will be upgraded soon, I've also had the penn 7000 and okuma Inception and think these ultegra's are superior but them they should be at the price point.
I've got the latest ultegra xr 14000's and think they are superior to the ci4's I had previously but the spool clicker isn't great and will be upgraded soon, I've also had the penn 7000 and okuma Inception and think these ultegra's are superior but them they should be at the price point.
I picked up some second hand Daiwa Crosscasts and can't fault them (later version with the black bail arm). Think I paid £120 for set of 3 - no brainer. I also have the new Crosscast Spod and it's faultless. The clutch is very, very smooth. Worth a look.
In reply to Post #26
Shimanos have 18kg. The only thing that puts me off the PENS is the lower rating of 12kg.
Shimanos have 18kg. The only thing that puts me off the PENS is the lower rating of 12kg.
In reply to Post #30
Your line will snap or hook would pull before you get near 12kg of force. You put a hook in you finger with a 12kg pull, it would tear your finger in half
Your line will snap or hook would pull before you get near 12kg of force. You put a hook in you finger with a 12kg pull, it would tear your finger in half
In reply to Post #30
what it means is if you lock the drag it can withstand 12kg of pressure or force in a direct pull before the drag would slip and release line, you would never be able to apply anywhere near that sort of pressure in a fishing situation with bent fishing rod.
It also means that in a straight pull ie rod pointed at say a snag and you walking backward you would have to apply more than 12kg or 26lb of force before it gave line most fishing lines would snap before it would give line.
In the above scenario if i was trying to pull for a break i wouldnt have the pressure direct through the reel bail arm and clutch anyway i would wrap the line around something else stick, bankstick etc before the reel
what it means is if you lock the drag it can withstand 12kg of pressure or force in a direct pull before the drag would slip and release line, you would never be able to apply anywhere near that sort of pressure in a fishing situation with bent fishing rod.
It also means that in a straight pull ie rod pointed at say a snag and you walking backward you would have to apply more than 12kg or 26lb of force before it gave line most fishing lines would snap before it would give line.
In the above scenario if i was trying to pull for a break i wouldnt have the pressure direct through the reel bail arm and clutch anyway i would wrap the line around something else stick, bankstick etc before the reel
In reply to Post #30
I landed a 122lb catfish on my penns. They pull far harder than any carp. That is nothing to worry about. Plus to exert 12kg of force you'd need to be using them on scaffold poles, not Carp rods
I landed a 122lb catfish on my penns. They pull far harder than any carp. That is nothing to worry about. Plus to exert 12kg of force you'd need to be using them on scaffold poles, not Carp rods
Thanks. I think I will go for the Penns solid reviews. Ive seen some reviews that the Okumas drag is too fast with only a quarter turn to play with
In reply to Post #30
You are not lifting a fish straight up and hanging it on the end.
That's like lifting a 10l pot of deluxe straight off the ground with the rod
Only rods anywhere near capable of doing that would be a 30 or 50lb boat rod lol
A carp rod couldn't put that much pressure on the reel before the rod shattered.
You are not lifting a fish straight up and hanging it on the end.
That's like lifting a 10l pot of deluxe straight off the ground with the rod
Only rods anywhere near capable of doing that would be a 30 or 50lb boat rod lol
A carp rod couldn't put that much pressure on the reel before the rod shattered.
In reply to Post #34
You may want to have a look at the Penn's in the flesh before buying. I have the Penn Vantage XT7000 which is big enough and ideal for my fishing. However, if you want a true big pit reel the XT8000 is quite a bit bigger.
You may want to have a look at the Penn's in the flesh before buying. I have the Penn Vantage XT7000 which is big enough and ideal for my fishing. However, if you want a true big pit reel the XT8000 is quite a bit bigger.
Anyone know if the Shimano XTE 14000 has the same issues as the XTD and XTB with the clicker and line guard
In reply to Post #37
The clicker is a simple and cheap upgrade, custom reel king £4.99 per spool. Don't know about the xte but my xr14000 xtd's will be having the upgrade done .
The clicker is a simple and cheap upgrade, custom reel king £4.99 per spool. Don't know about the xte but my xr14000 xtd's will be having the upgrade done .
In reply to Post #38
No need on them,they have same clicker as my xtd mags,they have been absolutely fine.I have had them since released and still clicking perfectly
No need on them,they have same clicker as my xtd mags,they have been absolutely fine.I have had them since released and still clicking perfectly
In reply to Post #39
Mine click perfectly but was hoping the custom reel king would be louder so I can hear it when beach fishing, having said that I've only used them once as I still much prefer using multipliers.
Mine click perfectly but was hoping the custom reel king would be louder so I can hear it when beach fishing, having said that I've only used them once as I still much prefer using multipliers.
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