How much importance would you think match the hatch would be in pva bags of pellets or just throw different brands and sizes together and not worry too much about it which is what I'm thinking. I'm using sticky krill boilies I was concentrating on halibut/trout pellet styles mainly.
In reply to Post #1
Just a point of note, trout or halibut pellets are high in oil and not particularly good for carp, especially if they are reliant on them. Trout pellets are designed for trout, halibut for halibut etc.
Ordinary carp pellets are ok, mix them with Sticky Krill pellets
Just a point of note, trout or halibut pellets are high in oil and not particularly good for carp, especially if they are reliant on them. Trout pellets are designed for trout, halibut for halibut etc.
Ordinary carp pellets are ok, mix them with Sticky Krill pellets
In reply to Post #2
Nick I do not doubt you are quite right but would you agree the the afore mentioned pellets are extremely common and provide huge sales for all concerned, right or wrong for carps welfare which is vitally important. Thank you for the reply, points I will take on board.
Nick I do not doubt you are quite right but would you agree the the afore mentioned pellets are extremely common and provide huge sales for all concerned, right or wrong for carps welfare which is vitally important. Thank you for the reply, points I will take on board.
In reply to Post #3
My thoughts are that too many places, tackle shops, bait companies and anglers are selling and buying the incorrect pellets at risk to our fish.
Some anglers don't know, possibly some don't care, and some are influenced by bait companies (by bait company I mean both bait manufacturers and animal feed suppliers).
The bait companies may be irresponsible, influenced by anglers, sales or the need to make money.
It is a really deep subject, with no clear answer.
Our waters are all different, some where fish rely on anglers bait, some naturally rich in food where bait can be ignored or not found. Some fish may be different, some in a natural water may be bait reliant, yet others ignore anglers bait and live on natural food.
I took some pictures years ago how halibut pellets 'killed' a spot. A couple of months after the 20mm pellets were put in, the fish had left them alone, there were traces of pellets on the lakebed, and the weed growth had died. I think the pellets despite being in date, had gone rancid, so were left alone. Given the choice fish will avoid rancid oils, but if immediate survival is needed over long term health, they may take them.
In the 1990's there was the big fishmeal boilies overdosed in fish oils causing fish deaths, then in the 2000's a number of fisheries had fish deaths from trout pellets being fed constantly.
This is the overstocked waters or where the fish have become bait reliant.
The carp feed pellet is a proper carp feed. Bait mix pellets like the Sticky Krill, Cell Response pellet etc, are designed to be used with the bait, (hopefully) incorporating the actual base mix attractors in a more soluble, faster breakdown time than the boilie.
Big subject, sorry for the essay.
My personal choice, I mix carp feed pellets in with my PVA bag or groundbait (spod) mix with chopped and crumbed boilies and some ground Vitalin.
My thoughts are that too many places, tackle shops, bait companies and anglers are selling and buying the incorrect pellets at risk to our fish.
Some anglers don't know, possibly some don't care, and some are influenced by bait companies (by bait company I mean both bait manufacturers and animal feed suppliers).
The bait companies may be irresponsible, influenced by anglers, sales or the need to make money.
It is a really deep subject, with no clear answer.
Our waters are all different, some where fish rely on anglers bait, some naturally rich in food where bait can be ignored or not found. Some fish may be different, some in a natural water may be bait reliant, yet others ignore anglers bait and live on natural food.
I took some pictures years ago how halibut pellets 'killed' a spot. A couple of months after the 20mm pellets were put in, the fish had left them alone, there were traces of pellets on the lakebed, and the weed growth had died. I think the pellets despite being in date, had gone rancid, so were left alone. Given the choice fish will avoid rancid oils, but if immediate survival is needed over long term health, they may take them.
In the 1990's there was the big fishmeal boilies overdosed in fish oils causing fish deaths, then in the 2000's a number of fisheries had fish deaths from trout pellets being fed constantly.
This is the overstocked waters or where the fish have become bait reliant.
The carp feed pellet is a proper carp feed. Bait mix pellets like the Sticky Krill, Cell Response pellet etc, are designed to be used with the bait, (hopefully) incorporating the actual base mix attractors in a more soluble, faster breakdown time than the boilie.
Big subject, sorry for the essay.
My personal choice, I mix carp feed pellets in with my PVA bag or groundbait (spod) mix with chopped and crumbed boilies and some ground Vitalin.
In reply to Post #1
There's far better Feed Pellets now readily available to the Public, specifically formulated for Coarse fish, and a hell of a lot cheaper than the bagged fishing versions.
As an example - take a look at Coppens “Intensive”, 40% protein and only 10% oil. There's one I use a lot for Barbel fishing thats over 50% protein and still very low level oil, I won't go without a few Kg with me.
There's far better Feed Pellets now readily available to the Public, specifically formulated for Coarse fish, and a hell of a lot cheaper than the bagged fishing versions.
As an example - take a look at Coppens “Intensive”, 40% protein and only 10% oil. There's one I use a lot for Barbel fishing thats over 50% protein and still very low level oil, I won't go without a few Kg with me.
Check out https://bulkfishpellets.co.uk/ they stock a wide range of Aller Aqua pellets specifically designed to feed Carp
In reply to Post #2
Oil content is nothing like it was. Back in the day you'd get a sack of Hall'is and there would be a right old load of oil sloshing about in the bottom of the bag, when was the last time you saw that?
Sticky Krill pellets, honestly dont waste your money.
Oil content is nothing like it was. Back in the day you'd get a sack of Hall'is and there would be a right old load of oil sloshing about in the bottom of the bag, when was the last time you saw that?
Sticky Krill pellets, honestly dont waste your money.
In reply to Post #4
Disagree with you there nick, I have been feeding carp with various pellets for about 30 years now and I have never seen a dead carp in a fishery due to any pellets. In fact I'd say the only reason they have grown so well in many venues is due to pellets.
More damage is done by particles
The problem is that some pellets are high in protein and oil and are supposed to be used in less quantities than a low quality low oil cheap pellet or cereals, but good old Humans can't work that out and pile them in!
Higher quality, Less feed, less poo........blaming a pellet for man's inability to understand biomass is not the fault of the pellet is it?
I want to feed my fish the best and smallest amount possible.
Disagree with you there nick, I have been feeding carp with various pellets for about 30 years now and I have never seen a dead carp in a fishery due to any pellets. In fact I'd say the only reason they have grown so well in many venues is due to pellets.
More damage is done by particles
The problem is that some pellets are high in protein and oil and are supposed to be used in less quantities than a low quality low oil cheap pellet or cereals, but good old Humans can't work that out and pile them in!
Higher quality, Less feed, less poo........blaming a pellet for man's inability to understand biomass is not the fault of the pellet is it?
I want to feed my fish the best and smallest amount possible.
In reply to Post #8
Good to see different opinions.
Good to see different opinions.
In reply to Post #8
Not 100% quite where you are coming from, or whether you have been missing things in carp fishing.
Trout pellets used by match anglers contributed to fish deaths at a Norfolk fishery. It was quite simple, you didn't use trout pellets you didn't catch. The lake regularly had fish floating in the margins. The lake owner was recommended by a fishery biologist to stop trout pellets being used.
A certain fish farm owner was stocking fish that had gotten to high weights in a very short time, fed on trout pellets.
Those fish had a very short life span, sometimes no more than 10years maximum. A fishery on the Isle of Wight sent a fish off for post mortem after its death. The report put the blame on heart and liver problems from an original high fat diet.
Not 100% quite where you are coming from, or whether you have been missing things in carp fishing.
Trout pellets used by match anglers contributed to fish deaths at a Norfolk fishery. It was quite simple, you didn't use trout pellets you didn't catch. The lake regularly had fish floating in the margins. The lake owner was recommended by a fishery biologist to stop trout pellets being used.
A certain fish farm owner was stocking fish that had gotten to high weights in a very short time, fed on trout pellets.
Those fish had a very short life span, sometimes no more than 10years maximum. A fishery on the Isle of Wight sent a fish off for post mortem after its death. The report put the blame on heart and liver problems from an original high fat diet.
In reply to Post #10
What lake was that please ?
What lake was that please ?
In reply to Post #10
And the point I was getting at nick, is that only a silly person would feed the carp a single item.
Pellets used for feeding carp can range from a coarse pellet, to a trout pellet to a halibut
All have been shown to make carp grow when used correctly. Most fish breeders use a blend of pellets and cereals to obtain maximum growth. We have used high protein and high oil pellets here for a long time and not one carp has ever known to have died because we are sensible enough to use various feeds at the correct time of year
You talk of a match venue that lost carp......I suppose it's nothing to do with cramming too many in a tiny pond and being overfished?
Your post just sounded bitter towards pellets ruining a spot when pellets actually help carp grow and prosper when used correctly. I wasn't trying to pick a fight with you just pointing out that if Pellets were bad for fish, nobody would sell them or buy them!
Lots of fisheries only allow pellet and boilie now for a very good reason
And the point I was getting at nick, is that only a silly person would feed the carp a single item.
Pellets used for feeding carp can range from a coarse pellet, to a trout pellet to a halibut
All have been shown to make carp grow when used correctly. Most fish breeders use a blend of pellets and cereals to obtain maximum growth. We have used high protein and high oil pellets here for a long time and not one carp has ever known to have died because we are sensible enough to use various feeds at the correct time of year
You talk of a match venue that lost carp......I suppose it's nothing to do with cramming too many in a tiny pond and being overfished?
Your post just sounded bitter towards pellets ruining a spot when pellets actually help carp grow and prosper when used correctly. I wasn't trying to pick a fight with you just pointing out that if Pellets were bad for fish, nobody would sell them or buy them!
Lots of fisheries only allow pellet and boilie now for a very good reason
In reply to Post #12
Sorry, I still think you are missing the point.
Anglers, whether as a whole or part of the pursuit, want to catch fish. Bait A catches carp, other baits struggle, so anglers switch to bait A. This is whether bait A is peanuts, tiger nuts, trout or halibut pellets, or maggots.
A pouchful will catch, fire in more and catch more is the often thinking.
I don't think carp or coarse pellets are bad for carp, I do think the higher oil levels in other pellets are though. Trout pellets are for feeding trout, salmon pellets for salmon etc, they are all higher in oil than carp pellets.
Just as an example, I think Coppens trout pellets are something like 20% fat, more than carp need. The additional extra can damage livers, kidneys and increase heart stress.
Fish farms have come on, but there was most definitely one fish farmer producing big fish feeding trout pellets rather than coarse pellets.
I was annoyed at the halibut pellets being dumped in, of course, it ruined one of my stalking spots for months. It never fished the same until I left the club.
Sorry, I still think you are missing the point.
Anglers, whether as a whole or part of the pursuit, want to catch fish. Bait A catches carp, other baits struggle, so anglers switch to bait A. This is whether bait A is peanuts, tiger nuts, trout or halibut pellets, or maggots.
A pouchful will catch, fire in more and catch more is the often thinking.
I don't think carp or coarse pellets are bad for carp, I do think the higher oil levels in other pellets are though. Trout pellets are for feeding trout, salmon pellets for salmon etc, they are all higher in oil than carp pellets.
Just as an example, I think Coppens trout pellets are something like 20% fat, more than carp need. The additional extra can damage livers, kidneys and increase heart stress.
Fish farms have come on, but there was most definitely one fish farmer producing big fish feeding trout pellets rather than coarse pellets.
I was annoyed at the halibut pellets being dumped in, of course, it ruined one of my stalking spots for months. It never fished the same until I left the club.
In reply to Post #1
When I was at gooutdoors I tried to get the dynamite halibut pellets taken off from around September/October due to colder months but they ignored what I said.
When I was at gooutdoors I tried to get the dynamite halibut pellets taken off from around September/October due to colder months but they ignored what I said.
In reply to Post #2
Halibut pellets are made from halibut, they're not designed for going fishing for halibut. Likewise trout pellets are made from trout, tuna boilies are flavoured with tuna, etc..
Halibut pellets are made from halibut, they're not designed for going fishing for halibut. Likewise trout pellets are made from trout, tuna boilies are flavoured with tuna, etc..
In reply to Post #15
not quite sure where you got that from!
not quite sure where you got that from!
In reply to Post #1
If used sensibly I don't see an issue with high oil pellets personally.
As stated, in a match puddle if that is all fish are being fed then yes quite clearly you could experience issues. But used in moderation in a pva bag on your average Carp lake I can't see it being any more of a hazard than tigers or various other things we feed. Just use sensibly. IVe fished waters in the past where people piling sacks in was the normal and oiler the better with no ill effects. This was the 90's i wouldnt recommend that now but it didnt seem to affect the the fish or fishing.
As for worrying about mixing brands/ sizes etc I think you are over thinking it. Different sizes and break down times can only be a good thing. If worried buy a bespoke blend from the likes of dna
If used sensibly I don't see an issue with high oil pellets personally.
As stated, in a match puddle if that is all fish are being fed then yes quite clearly you could experience issues. But used in moderation in a pva bag on your average Carp lake I can't see it being any more of a hazard than tigers or various other things we feed. Just use sensibly. IVe fished waters in the past where people piling sacks in was the normal and oiler the better with no ill effects. This was the 90's i wouldnt recommend that now but it didnt seem to affect the the fish or fishing.
As for worrying about mixing brands/ sizes etc I think you are over thinking it. Different sizes and break down times can only be a good thing. If worried buy a bespoke blend from the likes of dna
In reply to Post #15
This must be a wind-up? If not I would suggest you do a bit more research into aquaculture.
This must be a wind-up? If not I would suggest you do a bit more research into aquaculture.
In reply to Post #17
Not over concerned deano just like to check with a few lads before I spend, off to the shop later expecting to buy few different versions tbh....including some sticky krill and a liquid for the bags as well.
Not over concerned deano just like to check with a few lads before I spend, off to the shop later expecting to buy few different versions tbh....including some sticky krill and a liquid for the bags as well.
In reply to Post #16
Second post says trout pellets are for trout, halibut pellets are for halibut.
Second post says trout pellets are for trout, halibut pellets are for halibut.
In reply to Post #20
Fish farmers feed the halibut on their farms with pellets. These are called halibut pellets because they have been formulated with growing halibut in mind.
They are not made from halibut.
As above but replace word halibut with trout.
Fish farmers feed the halibut on their farms with pellets. These are called halibut pellets because they have been formulated with growing halibut in mind.
They are not made from halibut.
As above but replace word halibut with trout.
In reply to Post #20
Carp pellets are not made from carp.
Koi pellet are not made from koi.
The post below explains.
Carp pellets are not made from carp.
Koi pellet are not made from koi.
The post below explains.
The Halibut pellets you buy nowl are not same halibut pellets that used to be sold. Halibut pallets are for feeding halibut in farms. They were specifically formulated as they can be notoriously difficult to farm. What we buy now is nothing like these.
In reply to Post #23
Pellets are nothing like the quality they used to be, to the point I hardly ever use them anymore
Pellets are nothing like the quality they used to be, to the point I hardly ever use them anymore
Danafeed halibuts, those were the days. Genuine lt fishmeal, one of the best baits i ever used. And i can only echo the sentiment about today's pellets, pfffff, poor fish that need to eat those, and poor us sitting behind our motionless rods 
In reply to Post #24
A few of The pellet firms have moved out of the UK to mainland Europe, and the feed quality has dropped due to feed restrictions, lack of ingredients or lower standards.
It's simple, trout pellets and halibut pellets, designed for feeding those species, have protein levels around 50% and oil levels around 20-25% I think it is, both of which are far too high for carp to digest and use. Excess oil will do long term damage to kidneys and liver, excess fat of the fish oil type is stored and is responsible for heart attacks in fish as well as humans.
Carp pellets from BP Milling are something like 3% oil and 25% protein. Spot the difference!
A few of The pellet firms have moved out of the UK to mainland Europe, and the feed quality has dropped due to feed restrictions, lack of ingredients or lower standards.
It's simple, trout pellets and halibut pellets, designed for feeding those species, have protein levels around 50% and oil levels around 20-25% I think it is, both of which are far too high for carp to digest and use. Excess oil will do long term damage to kidneys and liver, excess fat of the fish oil type is stored and is responsible for heart attacks in fish as well as humans.
Carp pellets from BP Milling are something like 3% oil and 25% protein. Spot the difference!
In reply to Post #26
Funny enough I have been looking at BP Milling Smart Mix the lat few days , a non-fishmeal alternative pellet.
Funny enough I have been looking at BP Milling Smart Mix the lat few days , a non-fishmeal alternative pellet.
In reply to Post #27
Cereal based by any chance ?
Cereal based by any chance ?
In reply to Post #26
Which only matters when the feed in question makes up a large part of their dieet, eg aquaculture, supplementary feed to get those record fish, overpressured and overstocked ponds, the more fragile situations so to speak. Of which there seem to be more and more each day btw. But in more natural situations it all evens out (within reason) and attraction is the name of the game.
On a sidenote, salmon pellets made of salmon isn't entirely crazy. Those off shore salmon farms in norway (and other species) make wet pellets from the fish offals, so that they can make good use of the waste and have a closed, kinda self sustaining system. Would love to get my hands on those:P
Which only matters when the feed in question makes up a large part of their dieet, eg aquaculture, supplementary feed to get those record fish, overpressured and overstocked ponds, the more fragile situations so to speak. Of which there seem to be more and more each day btw. But in more natural situations it all evens out (within reason) and attraction is the name of the game.
On a sidenote, salmon pellets made of salmon isn't entirely crazy. Those off shore salmon farms in norway (and other species) make wet pellets from the fish offals, so that they can make good use of the waste and have a closed, kinda self sustaining system. Would love to get my hands on those:P
In reply to Post #28
yes its cereal based with vegetable protein. I've been using for 6 months and it's been good for me
https://www.bpmilling.co.uk/products/bp-gold
yes its cereal based with vegetable protein. I've been using for 6 months and it's been good for me
https://www.bpmilling.co.uk/products/bp-gold
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