Something I have thought about for a while, pram hood or titan styles have been the basis for all manufacturers for years. Something different below. I have even thought about a mini trailer tent that is part of your barrow system before 
https://youtu.be/S03BlAnZnGo
What do we think, any good
https://youtu.be/S03BlAnZnGo
What do we think, any good
In reply to Post #1
Can't remember who made them, but I'm sure I remember at least 3 different companies doing this kind of thing. Jrc and aqua maybe?
Can't remember who made them, but I'm sure I remember at least 3 different companies doing this kind of thing. Jrc and aqua maybe?
In reply to Post #2
Tents have progressed but I think somebody with a decent bit of thinking could come up with something new and after having a lot of bivvys over the years I can find flaws with most. Can't recall seeing anything that you mention from a tackle manufacturer myself?
Another slant for lightweight overnighters are the Bivvi bags. The Dutch army ones look spot on, considering one myself
Tents have progressed but I think somebody with a decent bit of thinking could come up with something new and after having a lot of bivvys over the years I can find flaws with most. Can't recall seeing anything that you mention from a tackle manufacturer myself?
Another slant for lightweight overnighters are the Bivvi bags. The Dutch army ones look spot on, considering one myself
The only incentive for this type of shelter is potentially for those that want to travel light, ( maybe overnights without a barrow) and who are prepared to sacrifice comfort.
The market would be quite small IMO.
The market would be quite small IMO.
In reply to Post #1
Behr bedchair bivvy and caperlan bedbox bivvy available at decathlon are two available now.
Behr bedchair bivvy and caperlan bedbox bivvy available at decathlon are two available now.
I would like to see a perfectly circular bivvy shape instead of the oval shaped. Then when the wind changes direction and it is in enough strength, rain and cold etc to make it uncomfortable that it is not a major faff having to try and turn the bivvy round along with the bed chair, move your kit and turn the groundsheet if you use one.
It would be so good to just pull the pegs out, turn the bivvy and repeg it down in just a minute or two.
It would be so good to just pull the pegs out, turn the bivvy and repeg it down in just a minute or two.
In reply to Post #5
The Decathalon comes in at 3.5 kg. Same weight as a few ovals out there even with storm poles.
The Decathalon comes in at 3.5 kg. Same weight as a few ovals out there even with storm poles.
In reply to Post #5
Interesting that Braders, never knew the did anything like that, looks similar to that fox thing, saying that not been in a decathlon for a long time. I was thinking more like a barrow with a shelter built on top
Interesting that Braders, never knew the did anything like that, looks similar to that fox thing, saying that not been in a decathlon for a long time. I was thinking more like a barrow with a shelter built on top
In reply to Post #6
Completely circular with a 10 or 12 doors all the way round. So you could choose which door to open.
Completely circular with a 10 or 12 doors all the way round. So you could choose which door to open.
In reply to Post #3
They were pretty much the same as this, can't find the exact ones I'm looking for.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/185504343870?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=710-134428-41853-0&mkcid=2&mkscid=101&itemid=185504343870&targetid=1403035015187&device=m&mktype=pla&googleloc=9045292&poi=&campaignid=17218284410&mkgroupid=142217514411&rlsatarget=pla-1403035015187&abcId=9300867&merchantid=110800466&gclid=CjwKCAjw0ZiiBhBKEiwA4PT9z33Dav5CroAN_pXsU010yxIU0aEYl8xUU0wpSphDT-1iC_UUD_sL8RoCIB4QAvD_BwE
They were pretty much the same as this, can't find the exact ones I'm looking for.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/185504343870?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=710-134428-41853-0&mkcid=2&mkscid=101&itemid=185504343870&targetid=1403035015187&device=m&mktype=pla&googleloc=9045292&poi=&campaignid=17218284410&mkgroupid=142217514411&rlsatarget=pla-1403035015187&abcId=9300867&merchantid=110800466&gclid=CjwKCAjw0ZiiBhBKEiwA4PT9z33Dav5CroAN_pXsU010yxIU0aEYl8xUU0wpSphDT-1iC_UUD_sL8RoCIB4QAvD_BwE
In reply to Post #9
That's not a bad idea, it would have some good uses. The syndicate I fish on, there are some anglers always watching for you to catch up with what may have happened over night especially just after first light in a morning, that if they see you come out of the bivvy for a call of nature or a stretch or check the rods etc etc, you can guarantee your phone will start ringing with calls of "Seen out", "Had owt", "Heard out" etc straight away.
A back door would be ideal to sneak out of and back in and keep low even if it was just a bit bigger than a "Cat Flap" to creep out of. And no longer no need to turn the phone off or ignore it ringing.
That's not a bad idea, it would have some good uses. The syndicate I fish on, there are some anglers always watching for you to catch up with what may have happened over night especially just after first light in a morning, that if they see you come out of the bivvy for a call of nature or a stretch or check the rods etc etc, you can guarantee your phone will start ringing with calls of "Seen out", "Had owt", "Heard out" etc straight away.
A back door would be ideal to sneak out of and back in and keep low even if it was just a bit bigger than a "Cat Flap" to creep out of. And no longer no need to turn the phone off or ignore it ringing.
In reply to Post #3
The Kampas (air inflated ribs) were an innovation at the time; they seemed to get mixed reviews and eventually failed but think this area could be revisited - cost to produce prohibitive maybe?
What about a 'water filled' inflated rib solution where constantly charged (on a power pack) warm water provides an internal radiator across the bivvy (pramhood or tempest style) for winter fishing . . . ?
The Kampas (air inflated ribs) were an innovation at the time; they seemed to get mixed reviews and eventually failed but think this area could be revisited - cost to produce prohibitive maybe?
What about a 'water filled' inflated rib solution where constantly charged (on a power pack) warm water provides an internal radiator across the bivvy (pramhood or tempest style) for winter fishing . . . ?
In reply to Post #12
Can you imagine how much something like that would cost to buy (not manufacture) lol
Can you imagine how much something like that would cost to buy (not manufacture) lol
In reply to Post #1
Bivvy styles over the years!
I've gone from Steadefast brolly, to brolly wrapped in tarpaulin, to proper branded overwrap, to Jekh shelter to Fox Easydome, Cyprydome, Rod Hutchinson Apotheosis, Easydome mk.2, JRC Roamer Dome, Nash Outlaw Hurricane and overwrap, TFG Hard-core brolly back to umbrella with stormsides, then Hutchy Cabrio Hybrid brolly system and extension, along with a number of nights on a sleep-mat and under a propped up tarp, as well as a number of nights under the stars.
To me the brolly and stormsides is probably the best, which is one of the possible options of the Cabrio Brolly.
I suppose that in summer a basic bedchair shroud is enough.
Bivvy styles over the years!
I've gone from Steadefast brolly, to brolly wrapped in tarpaulin, to proper branded overwrap, to Jekh shelter to Fox Easydome, Cyprydome, Rod Hutchinson Apotheosis, Easydome mk.2, JRC Roamer Dome, Nash Outlaw Hurricane and overwrap, TFG Hard-core brolly back to umbrella with stormsides, then Hutchy Cabrio Hybrid brolly system and extension, along with a number of nights on a sleep-mat and under a propped up tarp, as well as a number of nights under the stars.
To me the brolly and stormsides is probably the best, which is one of the possible options of the Cabrio Brolly.
I suppose that in summer a basic bedchair shroud is enough.
In reply to Post #10
Twin skin too lol!
Doesn't look too bad that but can't see it been that sturdy unless when pegged.
There has got to be something different, how about flat pack plastic that's the base of a barrow for example
Twin skin too lol!
Doesn't look too bad that but can't see it been that sturdy unless when pegged.
There has got to be something different, how about flat pack plastic that's the base of a barrow for example
In reply to Post #15
I actually mentioned a flat pack bivvy made out of plastic many years ago in these forums. When it's opened out, it would just look like a " Wendy House" with a door and a couple of windows.
Problem being though is how heavy and bulky it would be especially when it has to fit in back of a car.
I actually mentioned a flat pack bivvy made out of plastic many years ago in these forums. When it's opened out, it would just look like a " Wendy House" with a door and a couple of windows.
Problem being though is how heavy and bulky it would be especially when it has to fit in back of a car.
In reply to Post #11
F@@K - Digital Punishers!
F@@K - Digital Punishers!
In reply to Post #16
Possible, think it may be feasible though with the right thinking
Years ago I tried a plastic box with all my gear in, brilliant on the barrow, leave it out all day in the rain, no bother. Used to slide about a bit though, the only downside so I sacked t off
Possible, think it may be feasible though with the right thinking
Years ago I tried a plastic box with all my gear in, brilliant on the barrow, leave it out all day in the rain, no bother. Used to slide about a bit though, the only downside so I sacked t off
Surely your little camo wendy house will just blow away in any decent winds?
In reply to Post #18
Oddly enough, years ago I also posted on here about using a plastic box on the barrow that fits perfectly in the cutout in front of the handles on the barrow. Clear plastic was best as you could see what you was looking for through the side of the box.
It was ideal, when you got to your swim you could just take it off the barrow and straight into the bivvy with nothing to unpack and became an instant table and ideal for keeping food, bait and cooking equipment in etc away from mice and rats etc.
I even posted pictures as some people on here could not grasp the principle of how it fits on the barrow.
I even advocated using a small under bed plastic storage box to keep your bait boat in. It was ideal on the barrow as there was no chance of crushing it with straps, you could leave it outside during the day when it was raining and you could use the lid to place your boat on when your loading it up with bait. I used to call it my "boat house".
>>>>surely your little camo wendy house will just blow away in any decent winds<<<<<
So would a bivvy if we did not use tent pegs.
Oddly enough, years ago I also posted on here about using a plastic box on the barrow that fits perfectly in the cutout in front of the handles on the barrow. Clear plastic was best as you could see what you was looking for through the side of the box.
It was ideal, when you got to your swim you could just take it off the barrow and straight into the bivvy with nothing to unpack and became an instant table and ideal for keeping food, bait and cooking equipment in etc away from mice and rats etc.
I even posted pictures as some people on here could not grasp the principle of how it fits on the barrow.
I even advocated using a small under bed plastic storage box to keep your bait boat in. It was ideal on the barrow as there was no chance of crushing it with straps, you could leave it outside during the day when it was raining and you could use the lid to place your boat on when your loading it up with bait. I used to call it my "boat house".
>>>>surely your little camo wendy house will just blow away in any decent winds<<<<<
So would a bivvy if we did not use tent pegs.
I have tried the lot and really think the original light ai 2 rib shelter is the daddy for weight, ease and the like.
If you were inventing a perfect fishing shelter 20 years ago and someone showed you a tempest without all the extras you'd think they'd invented fire - it's my go too and upgrade on the ai.
The only other bivvy I would be tempted with is a stripped back lightweight ridge monkey. None of the faff, no fly sheets, Mozi panels, groundsheets, just the length of a bedchair and away you go - that to me is the holy grail
If you were inventing a perfect fishing shelter 20 years ago and someone showed you a tempest without all the extras you'd think they'd invented fire - it's my go too and upgrade on the ai.
The only other bivvy I would be tempted with is a stripped back lightweight ridge monkey. None of the faff, no fly sheets, Mozi panels, groundsheets, just the length of a bedchair and away you go - that to me is the holy grail
On the subject of plastic boxes I've used them for years now especially when fishing abroad all my terminal tackle boxes scales, head torch, water proofs etc.. odds and sods in one then cooking and dry foods in another, generally abroad I use 3 of the Wham 96ltr boxes the third one has all my bait hookbaits glugs etc.., also stacks neatly in the van for travelling and if moving to swims using a boat.
I use the same principal for fishing weekends in the UK just the boxes are smaller as I dont need the amount of kit I take when abroad.
Two of the Wham 45ltr are ideal for my short sessions used for the same kit, terminal gear in one dry food and cook kit in another then for bait I use a 17ltr bucket, one wham box is used as the bivvy table and the other I set up my stove brew kit on top so when I want to get something inside I can lift the whole lid onto the bedchair get what I need and place the lid back on top after, Wham boxes are very sturdy well made boxes.
Aqua bought out the Staxx box which is basically the euro containers with hinged lids which are well made but using the boxes the way I do I would mean moving everything on top of the lid when I want to get inside for something that may not even come out on shorter sessions which is usually my scales and carp care kit as I dont catch that many.
On the Idea of different types of Bivvies I think the early Fox easy/continental domes were a good design with the central spreader block and the poles all collapsing centrally and folded up like spiders legs, my first Fox easy dome many years ago was mega to use for short session fishing, lightweight went up in no time and had the small extended porch at the front with the built in ground sheet a right handy little space.
I use the same principal for fishing weekends in the UK just the boxes are smaller as I dont need the amount of kit I take when abroad.
Two of the Wham 45ltr are ideal for my short sessions used for the same kit, terminal gear in one dry food and cook kit in another then for bait I use a 17ltr bucket, one wham box is used as the bivvy table and the other I set up my stove brew kit on top so when I want to get something inside I can lift the whole lid onto the bedchair get what I need and place the lid back on top after, Wham boxes are very sturdy well made boxes.
Aqua bought out the Staxx box which is basically the euro containers with hinged lids which are well made but using the boxes the way I do I would mean moving everything on top of the lid when I want to get inside for something that may not even come out on shorter sessions which is usually my scales and carp care kit as I dont catch that many.
On the Idea of different types of Bivvies I think the early Fox easy/continental domes were a good design with the central spreader block and the poles all collapsing centrally and folded up like spiders legs, my first Fox easy dome many years ago was mega to use for short session fishing, lightweight went up in no time and had the small extended porch at the front with the built in ground sheet a right handy little space.
In reply to Post #22
I did like the Fox EasyDome, as you say quick to put up and easy to move, although I did have a couple of gripes, tripping over the threshold of the inner dome occasionally, and inside the dome, a lack of space, especially when my dog of the time was with me, a blooming great Golden Retriever.
The porch section was handy though.
I did like the Fox EasyDome, as you say quick to put up and easy to move, although I did have a couple of gripes, tripping over the threshold of the inner dome occasionally, and inside the dome, a lack of space, especially when my dog of the time was with me, a blooming great Golden Retriever.
The porch section was handy though.
For me bivvies have become unnecessarily complicated .... vents/windows being the exception ....
Ive had the following designs
Brollycamp dome thingy,
45" Nubrolli with Nash Overwrap
JRC Geodome thing
Titan Vipers
Groundhog/Hogs
Easydomes
Chub Cyclone
Fox Evos
Pioneers
Tempest (Brolly)
Various ovals
Various flexible poled pramhood bivvies
Various traditional rigid poled pramhoods
Pramhood is still the best .... Its bomb proof, no need for storm poles, no need for any additional paraphanelia to put up .... But i want it basic .... I dont want multiple zips allowing front removal or peak removal.
A basic pramhood design with front and rear windows/vents, fixed front, fixed peak, zip in or peg in groundsheet and some form of skull cap that can be attached on the outside without the need to peg down all the way round.
Trakker Cayman or a Mk2 Armo comes close to the perfect bivvy imo and the reason I have never succombed to the Tempest type bivvy craze. As an alternative I think the Nash Groundhog is possibly the best brolly style design I have come across.
Im not sure what else a bivvy could do that would sway me away
Ive had the following designs
Brollycamp dome thingy,
45" Nubrolli with Nash Overwrap
JRC Geodome thing
Titan Vipers
Groundhog/Hogs
Easydomes
Chub Cyclone
Fox Evos
Pioneers
Tempest (Brolly)
Various ovals
Various flexible poled pramhood bivvies
Various traditional rigid poled pramhoods
Pramhood is still the best .... Its bomb proof, no need for storm poles, no need for any additional paraphanelia to put up .... But i want it basic .... I dont want multiple zips allowing front removal or peak removal.
A basic pramhood design with front and rear windows/vents, fixed front, fixed peak, zip in or peg in groundsheet and some form of skull cap that can be attached on the outside without the need to peg down all the way round.
Trakker Cayman or a Mk2 Armo comes close to the perfect bivvy imo and the reason I have never succombed to the Tempest type bivvy craze. As an alternative I think the Nash Groundhog is possibly the best brolly style design I have come across.
Im not sure what else a bivvy could do that would sway me away
In responsible to posts 6& 9. A circular ( or near enough ) shelter that could be turned as needed was avail years ago..Nubrolli shelter I think it was called.. many on here will have been victim of a 'deliberate run' after said shelter has been unpegged and turned 180 while the occupant was snoring.... Great fun seeing confusion unfurl!!
As for 'mobile punishers' several options avail.. ignore/silent or tell a lie..
As for 'mobile punishers' several options avail.. ignore/silent or tell a lie..
In reply to Post #25
That was done with the original upright brollicamp type of shelter.
Very, very funny. Even when you were on the recieving end.
That was done with the original upright brollicamp type of shelter.
Very, very funny. Even when you were on the recieving end.
The perfect bivvy for me would be my original full size pioneer but with a peak on it 👍👍😜
Used to love my old Nashy Profile brolly,moved on to an Aqua 60 inch brolly and am now on the Fast and light (Just wish it had a little more length in the side skirts so you can peg it a little higher).... Can't see me changing anytime soon...
As long as the ground is soft enough to get some pegs in I think the Aqua M3 takes some beating as an all-round bivvy. Hard gravel banks where pegs are a problem, my Titan Hide is pretty good, if a little tight for space.
In reply to Post #20
Makes sense to me, plastic box, just chuck it all in. Good idea about fitting into the barrow frame that. Lift out slide under the bed or just chuck in the bivvy
Makes sense to me, plastic box, just chuck it all in. Good idea about fitting into the barrow frame that. Lift out slide under the bed or just chuck in the bivvy
In reply to Post #30
>>>Makes sense to me, plastic box, just chuck it all in. Good idea about fitting into the barrow frame that. Lift out slide under the bed or just chuck in the bivvy <<<
I used to actually fit two plastic box's into my barrow frame, the large one near the handles, but at the front above the wheel, I had one that slotted in above the wheel and put bags off bait etc in that one. The tops of the box's with lids lay flush with the frame and bed etc lays perfectly flat on top.
All you have to do is measure the size of the "Hole" in the frame and go to the likes of B&M and see what fits, ideally with a lid. The lip of the plastic box should rest on top of the barrow frame
To make a longer lasting one as I had a habit of breaking them, I fastened two slats of wood on each side of the large box on the longer sides right at the very top to rest on the barrow frame.
I don't think my original thread with pictures etc exist any more, many years ago the forum went iffy and many posts were lost, I lost nearly 4000 posting and reduced to non.
>>>Makes sense to me, plastic box, just chuck it all in. Good idea about fitting into the barrow frame that. Lift out slide under the bed or just chuck in the bivvy <<<
I used to actually fit two plastic box's into my barrow frame, the large one near the handles, but at the front above the wheel, I had one that slotted in above the wheel and put bags off bait etc in that one. The tops of the box's with lids lay flush with the frame and bed etc lays perfectly flat on top.
All you have to do is measure the size of the "Hole" in the frame and go to the likes of B&M and see what fits, ideally with a lid. The lip of the plastic box should rest on top of the barrow frame
To make a longer lasting one as I had a habit of breaking them, I fastened two slats of wood on each side of the large box on the longer sides right at the very top to rest on the barrow frame.
I don't think my original thread with pictures etc exist any more, many years ago the forum went iffy and many posts were lost, I lost nearly 4000 posting and reduced to non.
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