I live in Essex and there's a lot of syndicates around my area . Most expensive one is £1400 but most around the £600-£700 range. With the cost of everything going up do you think the prices are fair.
In reply to Post #1
It's crazy m8 the cost of some of these syndicates
If you live in Essex why not try some of the Lee Valley lakes or get a ticket on one of your local club waters
It's crazy m8 the cost of some of these syndicates
If you live in Essex why not try some of the Lee Valley lakes or get a ticket on one of your local club waters
If you can fish a couple of nights a week, and daytickets now being £30 a night of not more, even that £1400 ticket could save you a lot of money.
Not many syndicates where I live..
I know what goes into running a fishery as I currently manage two and a third on an occasional basis now..
Apart from supply and demand ,I personally think ticket prices are vastly out of the realm of reality..especially in these mad times..
Far too expensive,and in time ,if angling is to continue it could destroy what was a basic ,working man's hobby..
These are my prices where I fish ...£60.a yr ,three lakes ,all species..the other £16 for 24 hrs ,£8 a day...another ,free for life..
I paid 25 quid for a 24 yesterday ,...far too much money ,as a I look around as I'm a groundsman ,gardner,I look around at some places and see nothing but jobs that I could fix in a trice...so what are you getting for your money..?
I know what goes into running a fishery as I currently manage two and a third on an occasional basis now..
Apart from supply and demand ,I personally think ticket prices are vastly out of the realm of reality..especially in these mad times..
Far too expensive,and in time ,if angling is to continue it could destroy what was a basic ,working man's hobby..
These are my prices where I fish ...£60.a yr ,three lakes ,all species..the other £16 for 24 hrs ,£8 a day...another ,free for life..
I paid 25 quid for a 24 yesterday ,...far too much money ,as a I look around as I'm a groundsman ,gardner,I look around at some places and see nothing but jobs that I could fix in a trice...so what are you getting for your money..?
In reply to Post #1
Whats fair got to do with it?
No one has a gun at your head. They'll get away with what they can, that's business.
What matters is the individuals perception of value for money.
Whats fair got to do with it?
No one has a gun at your head. They'll get away with what they can, that's business.
What matters is the individuals perception of value for money.
In reply to Post #5
While I understand what you are saying, I think we as anglers, and as people generally are being conned out of money we don't need to or shouldn't have to spend.
Even if you buy water in plastic bottles from the shops, you still have to pay your water rates. You don't need to buy water in bottles.
The same with fishing. There are loads of smaller cheaper clubs around, but our perception is that carp fishing is all, and big money has to be spent.
I recently admitted at Suffolk Water Park, that as much as I love the lake, I can't afford £30 a night, yet I can afford £500 a season for my syndicate.
There are still free places around, rivers, lakes, ponds, but anglers are marketed towards the expensive venues, by accident or design.
What's fair got to do with it, I agree, but because we live in a society where fair is no longer seen as correct, and where the rich make the rules
While I understand what you are saying, I think we as anglers, and as people generally are being conned out of money we don't need to or shouldn't have to spend.
Even if you buy water in plastic bottles from the shops, you still have to pay your water rates. You don't need to buy water in bottles.
The same with fishing. There are loads of smaller cheaper clubs around, but our perception is that carp fishing is all, and big money has to be spent.
I recently admitted at Suffolk Water Park, that as much as I love the lake, I can't afford £30 a night, yet I can afford £500 a season for my syndicate.
There are still free places around, rivers, lakes, ponds, but anglers are marketed towards the expensive venues, by accident or design.
What's fair got to do with it, I agree, but because we live in a society where fair is no longer seen as correct, and where the rich make the rules
In reply to Post #6
The bottled water analogy isn't great - don't you wash, use a toilet, washing machine, use water for cooking etc?
Everything is expensive these days - including managing an angling venue.
As a business they need to pay people and to turn a profit. People will pay what they can afford to pay for tickets. When a venue finds that they have no customers due to their prices, then they'll have to adjust their prices accordingly. Simple supply and demand.
The bottled water analogy isn't great - don't you wash, use a toilet, washing machine, use water for cooking etc?
Everything is expensive these days - including managing an angling venue.
As a business they need to pay people and to turn a profit. People will pay what they can afford to pay for tickets. When a venue finds that they have no customers due to their prices, then they'll have to adjust their prices accordingly. Simple supply and demand.
In reply to Post #1
Based on a syndicate lake and a fair price to pay.
For me it depends what I'm getting for my money, low syndicate numbers, secure as in both parking and fenced also location of the venue and facilities add a few decent fish to go for and good backup fish and the right stocking levels (I dont like overstocked runs waters) then if its a hole in the ground (which I wouldn't fish) or a lovely scenic lake that has matured overtime and is well kept and managed then I would consider if the asking price is reasonable, for some I suppose it depends on how much time you get to go or the availability to certain waters or their location they could be slap bang in the middle of the Colne valley or a water park with an abundance of options or like me bang in the middle of farm ponds at best, £1500.00 is less than £30.00 a week which is comparable to doing 52 nights on a £30.00 for 24 hr day ticket lake with anglers side by side catching fish that are chased to death day in day out and the worry if your mat, sling, net and marker/spomb rod will still be outside when you wake up.
Given the above I think £1500 is very reasonable for the right lake, as I mentioned I live in the ******* of nowhere where decent waters are very far and few between growing up around my way they were all farm puddles with very little to inspire you, travelling an hour or more to any reasonable lake is all I've ever really done, I finished with day ticket lakes many years ago and I either got lucky or chose wisely and can now fish some decent waters for a lot less I have two very good syndicates just like the one I have mentioned above and a club water for less than £650 a year = £13.00 a week with carp to near 60lb.
Then again I see my fortune akin to having done it for long enough to have met some decent people and had a smattering of luck along the way, these days the pot noodlers want 40's as a minimum and be on the kind of waters that take longer than a 12 month apprenticeship to achieve (and some do).
Based on a syndicate lake and a fair price to pay.
For me it depends what I'm getting for my money, low syndicate numbers, secure as in both parking and fenced also location of the venue and facilities add a few decent fish to go for and good backup fish and the right stocking levels (I dont like overstocked runs waters) then if its a hole in the ground (which I wouldn't fish) or a lovely scenic lake that has matured overtime and is well kept and managed then I would consider if the asking price is reasonable, for some I suppose it depends on how much time you get to go or the availability to certain waters or their location they could be slap bang in the middle of the Colne valley or a water park with an abundance of options or like me bang in the middle of farm ponds at best, £1500.00 is less than £30.00 a week which is comparable to doing 52 nights on a £30.00 for 24 hr day ticket lake with anglers side by side catching fish that are chased to death day in day out and the worry if your mat, sling, net and marker/spomb rod will still be outside when you wake up.
Given the above I think £1500 is very reasonable for the right lake, as I mentioned I live in the ******* of nowhere where decent waters are very far and few between growing up around my way they were all farm puddles with very little to inspire you, travelling an hour or more to any reasonable lake is all I've ever really done, I finished with day ticket lakes many years ago and I either got lucky or chose wisely and can now fish some decent waters for a lot less I have two very good syndicates just like the one I have mentioned above and a club water for less than £650 a year = £13.00 a week with carp to near 60lb.
Then again I see my fortune akin to having done it for long enough to have met some decent people and had a smattering of luck along the way, these days the pot noodlers want 40's as a minimum and be on the kind of waters that take longer than a 12 month apprenticeship to achieve (and some do).
In reply to Post #1
Happy to pap upto around £1000 per year for decent fishing.
That said there are at least 4 lakes / ponds / rivers that are free within a few miles of me, so you can still have access to fish to 30lb without having to pay day tickets.
Local clubs have fish to 50lb for £200 per year, so there's plenty of accessible angling around, however if you want some privacy and a guaranteed private water then you have to pay a decent whack these days. (of course there's the odd gem on club tickets)
Happy to pap upto around £1000 per year for decent fishing.
That said there are at least 4 lakes / ponds / rivers that are free within a few miles of me, so you can still have access to fish to 30lb without having to pay day tickets.
Local clubs have fish to 50lb for £200 per year, so there's plenty of accessible angling around, however if you want some privacy and a guaranteed private water then you have to pay a decent whack these days. (of course there's the odd gem on club tickets)
In reply to Post #1
Running lakes costs a lot of money. Leasing the water is feasibly over 10 grand a year in many cases if not more, fencing, maintenance, swim building, treating the water if needed costs a fortune. 25 members at £1400 each does not go that far towards covering costs. It's a Labour of love in most cases, but can provide lovely fishing and a lovely environment for members.
Would you rather pay £1400 a year for quiet, secure and good quality fishing with limited numbers, or £30 a night to fish a day ticket circus? I know which I would choose.
Running lakes costs a lot of money. Leasing the water is feasibly over 10 grand a year in many cases if not more, fencing, maintenance, swim building, treating the water if needed costs a fortune. 25 members at £1400 each does not go that far towards covering costs. It's a Labour of love in most cases, but can provide lovely fishing and a lovely environment for members.
Would you rather pay £1400 a year for quiet, secure and good quality fishing with limited numbers, or £30 a night to fish a day ticket circus? I know which I would choose.
In reply to Post #1
£1400 for a ticket doesn't seem that bad tbh depends how much you get out, I would pay upto £2000 for the right place I'm on a waiting list for one that's £1700 I'd rather fish somewhere like that then a day ticket circus any day of the week
£1400 for a ticket doesn't seem that bad tbh depends how much you get out, I would pay upto £2000 for the right place I'm on a waiting list for one that's £1700 I'd rather fish somewhere like that then a day ticket circus any day of the week
Depends what people want/expect for their money... Some syndicates these days are that in name alone... Run for profit is not a true syndicate, and that's just for starters...
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Exactly. One Essex club has several waters that contain some very good fish up to nudging 50lb. No waiting list, just send off your money and you're a member. The waters don't get that crowded either, although OK, there are the noddies to contend with, I'll concede that. I think some syndicates down my way (Essex!) take the piss with prices. If you want a good syndicate water and pay a reasonable price, join one in Cambridgeshire like I did. Everyone fishes for carp in Essex, which is a big part of the problem I suppose...
Exactly. One Essex club has several waters that contain some very good fish up to nudging 50lb. No waiting list, just send off your money and you're a member. The waters don't get that crowded either, although OK, there are the noddies to contend with, I'll concede that. I think some syndicates down my way (Essex!) take the piss with prices. If you want a good syndicate water and pay a reasonable price, join one in Cambridgeshire like I did. Everyone fishes for carp in Essex, which is a big part of the problem I suppose...
Most I have paid is 550 but would pay a bit more if required for the right water.
Like most financial things it's all relative to what you enjoy in life. I have friends whose cars depreciate by 3k a year or more. I'll stick to my 12 year Old Ford.
Like most financial things it's all relative to what you enjoy in life. I have friends whose cars depreciate by 3k a year or more. I'll stick to my 12 year Old Ford.
In reply to Post #12
There are very few true "syndicates" in most instances you are paying a fee to fish a certain water.
Price is down the pecking order for me, not that it doesn't come into it, of course it does but there's more important things for me when selecting a lake to fish.
There are very few true "syndicates" in most instances you are paying a fee to fish a certain water.
Price is down the pecking order for me, not that it doesn't come into it, of course it does but there's more important things for me when selecting a lake to fish.
In reply to Post #1
£650 and £700 I pay for my 2 Essex waters, for what they are and hold fish wise are good for the money. the main reason a lot are pricey is that land owners keep upping the lease price.
£650 and £700 I pay for my 2 Essex waters, for what they are and hold fish wise are good for the money. the main reason a lot are pricey is that land owners keep upping the lease price.
I think there is a lot more to value for money than just cost.
As an example:
I'm on a weekend syndicate (Friday am to Monday am) which is 3 miles from my house. It's 12 acres, 250 ish fish, twenty odd 30's, two 40's and loads of 20's. It's a lovely lake, decent bunch of blokes and very rarely is it full.
The cost has gone up from £240 per year to £375 per year (not complaining). I only do about 15 nights per year, mainly ovenighters on Sunday and leaving early for work on Monday. Works out about £25.00 per night. Even if it's £600 a year in the next few years I'll still renew.
Being so close to home, nice place, nice fish etc etc. To me this is good value
If the same lake, same fish, same blokes etc was 100 miles away and half the price I'm not sure I would join.
As an example:
I'm on a weekend syndicate (Friday am to Monday am) which is 3 miles from my house. It's 12 acres, 250 ish fish, twenty odd 30's, two 40's and loads of 20's. It's a lovely lake, decent bunch of blokes and very rarely is it full.
The cost has gone up from £240 per year to £375 per year (not complaining). I only do about 15 nights per year, mainly ovenighters on Sunday and leaving early for work on Monday. Works out about £25.00 per night. Even if it's £600 a year in the next few years I'll still renew.
Being so close to home, nice place, nice fish etc etc. To me this is good value
If the same lake, same fish, same blokes etc was 100 miles away and half the price I'm not sure I would join.
In reply to Post #1
I think people will start dropping out of these mega pricey syndicates and waters charging more than £30/24 hours.
With the cost of living being what it is, people will if they haven't already be prioritising gas and electric over getting to a lake and some of these syndicates might need to revisit their pricing strategy.
I paid more than the figure you mentioned last year to fish one commercial water and I won't be doing that again this year. Club water and one other little special place that doesn't cost much.
These pricey waters see other waters increasing their 24 hour rates and they jump on the band waggon and before you know it nobody will be able to afford to go to any of them.
I think people will start dropping out of these mega pricey syndicates and waters charging more than £30/24 hours.
With the cost of living being what it is, people will if they haven't already be prioritising gas and electric over getting to a lake and some of these syndicates might need to revisit their pricing strategy.
I paid more than the figure you mentioned last year to fish one commercial water and I won't be doing that again this year. Club water and one other little special place that doesn't cost much.
These pricey waters see other waters increasing their 24 hour rates and they jump on the band waggon and before you know it nobody will be able to afford to go to any of them.
In reply to Post #18
Unfortunately ours is increasingly becoming a rich man's pastime. The average Joe will find it increasingly difficult to afford the rising costs of tickets, tackle and bait.
Unfortunately ours is increasingly becoming a rich man's pastime. The average Joe will find it increasingly difficult to afford the rising costs of tickets, tackle and bait.
I agree. And fair play to anywhere that looks to keep it's prices inclusive of decent anglers who may otherwise be priced out through force of economics.
In reply to Post #18
Spot on ..
Spot on ..
In reply to Post #18
Less and less lakes do season tickets now too. The lake I cut my teeth on used ti have a partial season ticket, it was about £110 for the year, and that didn't give unlimited fishing, but knocked a 24h ticket down to £10 from £20. To me, that makes fantastic business sense.
It gives people an incentive to fish your lake and not the others near by. Most of these lakes charging £30 a night don't seem to be chasing repeat custom, as the people fishing them flit from one day ticket to another.
I approached a local dayticket asking of they would do a reduced price ticket over the week, for people doing sessions in-between work, and they said no. There is no way I'm paying £25 to fish a 12h session over night.
Less and less lakes do season tickets now too. The lake I cut my teeth on used ti have a partial season ticket, it was about £110 for the year, and that didn't give unlimited fishing, but knocked a 24h ticket down to £10 from £20. To me, that makes fantastic business sense.
It gives people an incentive to fish your lake and not the others near by. Most of these lakes charging £30 a night don't seem to be chasing repeat custom, as the people fishing them flit from one day ticket to another.
I approached a local dayticket asking of they would do a reduced price ticket over the week, for people doing sessions in-between work, and they said no. There is no way I'm paying £25 to fish a 12h session over night.
In reply to Post #22
Again ,spot on ...
Money ,greed and lack of forethought short term gain will kill carp fishing ..
This is why,being the forward thinking out of the box type of person,I have literally whittled down all my carp kit ,minimal ,because although I'm luckier than some at the moment,things change ,hence why I have sold off lots and lots of stuff I don't use use ,..and have used the money to sort out a smart but very basic general course set up..
Because at some point ,I'll have my cut off and that's 30 quid for 24 hrs ,any more than that I'm out ,...and will just float fish ..
Money WILL ruin angling...
Again ,spot on ...
Money ,greed and lack of forethought short term gain will kill carp fishing ..
This is why,being the forward thinking out of the box type of person,I have literally whittled down all my carp kit ,minimal ,because although I'm luckier than some at the moment,things change ,hence why I have sold off lots and lots of stuff I don't use use ,..and have used the money to sort out a smart but very basic general course set up..
Because at some point ,I'll have my cut off and that's 30 quid for 24 hrs ,any more than that I'm out ,...and will just float fish ..
Money WILL ruin angling...
In reply to Post #23
On top of the 24 hour rates a lot of commercials are also charging an annual membership fee. It was explained to me last year by the owner of the commercial water that I fish and who I have a lot of respect for, that this is to deter the muppets which I completey understand especially as there's a few about.
Unfortunately it is becoming a rich man's sport. I do have some sympathy with costs increasing given the kind of inflation we're all facing but I also think that if I was 30 years younger starting out with no gear a low paid job, a mortgage, bills and a child to support I'm not sure I'd bother to be honest.
On top of the 24 hour rates a lot of commercials are also charging an annual membership fee. It was explained to me last year by the owner of the commercial water that I fish and who I have a lot of respect for, that this is to deter the muppets which I completey understand especially as there's a few about.
Unfortunately it is becoming a rich man's sport. I do have some sympathy with costs increasing given the kind of inflation we're all facing but I also think that if I was 30 years younger starting out with no gear a low paid job, a mortgage, bills and a child to support I'm not sure I'd bother to be honest.
In reply to Post #24
I didn't know some commercials are charging for a annual membership fee,that's a new one on me..
I'm.just used to researching a place,turn up,fish ,enjoy and repeat on other venues..I think your right as well it may well turn into a rich man's sport ,as much as I love fishing ,there will come a point where, some including myself will evaluate their over all legitimacy on where angling ,monetarily sits in the persons lifestyle ..
I've two years left,by this I mean when I'm 60,if god allows,...lol..I'll decide whether to carry on or just course fish..(my father always said I'll go back to it ,course fishing etc,I do this anyways ,but on a smaller level than carping)...
Meanwhile I'm certainly just keeping my kit as tidy and tight as you can,but in real terms it's the total overall cost of going today..ie bait ,food ,car fuel and distance to travel ,it all has a bearing on it..
I've lots of contacts,fishing acquainted people who invite me all over the place,sometimes I can't justify it money wise..,I'm sure others feel like I do..
I didn't know some commercials are charging for a annual membership fee,that's a new one on me..
I'm.just used to researching a place,turn up,fish ,enjoy and repeat on other venues..I think your right as well it may well turn into a rich man's sport ,as much as I love fishing ,there will come a point where, some including myself will evaluate their over all legitimacy on where angling ,monetarily sits in the persons lifestyle ..
I've two years left,by this I mean when I'm 60,if god allows,...lol..I'll decide whether to carry on or just course fish..(my father always said I'll go back to it ,course fishing etc,I do this anyways ,but on a smaller level than carping)...
Meanwhile I'm certainly just keeping my kit as tidy and tight as you can,but in real terms it's the total overall cost of going today..ie bait ,food ,car fuel and distance to travel ,it all has a bearing on it..
I've lots of contacts,fishing acquainted people who invite me all over the place,sometimes I can't justify it money wise..,I'm sure others feel like I do..
In reply to Post #23
Well I've just spooled up my center pin last night. I've a tench lake down the road that never gets fished
Well I've just spooled up my center pin last night. I've a tench lake down the road that never gets fished
In reply to Post #26
Count me in
Count me in
In reply to Post #25
Quite a few places do that annual membership fee and you pay for each day/night you fish.
I'm not sure if they limit the number of memberships though as numbers of anglers will come from further afield. I think Foxearth did that system for a while, although they now have single day ticket price, and differentiation between times, an overnight, a day or 24hours (£30).
I keep saying, I can't afford £60 for 2nights anywhere, right now money is very tight. A sensibly priced annual ticket on a decent venue can be saved up for.
Quite a few places do that annual membership fee and you pay for each day/night you fish.
I'm not sure if they limit the number of memberships though as numbers of anglers will come from further afield. I think Foxearth did that system for a while, although they now have single day ticket price, and differentiation between times, an overnight, a day or 24hours (£30).
I keep saying, I can't afford £60 for 2nights anywhere, right now money is very tight. A sensibly priced annual ticket on a decent venue can be saved up for.
In reply to Post #28
Waters I've looked at for this coming season are
Syndicates at £500 and £800, but they have a year or 2 wait until I can get on.
Club water at £120
Day ticket at £8
A free venue
Quite the range really.
Syndicates at £500 and £800, but they have a year or 2 wait until I can get on.
Club water at £120
Day ticket at £8
A free venue
Quite the range really.
In reply to Post #28
Is Horseshoe not this kind of set up? Pay the Carp Society an annual membership then pay your day ticket to fish the water?
By all accounts it's still a fine place to fish, one of the few day tickets I could actually consider.
Is Horseshoe not this kind of set up? Pay the Carp Society an annual membership then pay your day ticket to fish the water?
By all accounts it's still a fine place to fish, one of the few day tickets I could actually consider.
In reply to Post #31
Horseshoe is a hybrid as you can pay day ticket rate (charged by the hour still rather than 24 hour blocks) if you have a membership, or you can pay the full whack and join the syndicate. The perks of the syndicate ticket is that you can come and go as you require as have a gate key/code but if you are on a day ticket you have to arrive during office hours.
Horseshoe is a hybrid as you can pay day ticket rate (charged by the hour still rather than 24 hour blocks) if you have a membership, or you can pay the full whack and join the syndicate. The perks of the syndicate ticket is that you can come and go as you require as have a gate key/code but if you are on a day ticket you have to arrive during office hours.
In reply to Post #31
As much as I like the look of it Ashmead is that type of setup. You have to be a member of the Carp Society, then each day/weekend/week is individually priced.
I have looked at the map and website of the lake, and the Tim Paisley chapters on it in More From the Bivvy, and until today (20/03), was always thinking it was a large lake, but it is only 17acres, which to me personally is quite small.
Still a lovely looking lake though, with some amazing fish, but no way could I justify the price.
As much as I like the look of it Ashmead is that type of setup. You have to be a member of the Carp Society, then each day/weekend/week is individually priced.
I have looked at the map and website of the lake, and the Tim Paisley chapters on it in More From the Bivvy, and until today (20/03), was always thinking it was a large lake, but it is only 17acres, which to me personally is quite small.
Still a lovely looking lake though, with some amazing fish, but no way could I justify the price.
In reply to Post #33
The lake is smaller than that mate, 17 acres is the size of the wetland. When you take into account all the islands, nooks and crannies etc the actual lake is prob nearer 12 acres. However, in many swims you are completely hidden away from others and if you are on there with sensible like-minded anglers (which was always the case when Skeff had it) then you would only see each other on a walk around, and even then you would have to go out of your way to see people in some swims (well areas as no actual swims as such). It really is a unique venue and if you haven't been it is worth a visit (ps got 1 trip booked this year to see what changes the CS have made so my comments are based on what it was like pre and immediately post sale)
The lake is smaller than that mate, 17 acres is the size of the wetland. When you take into account all the islands, nooks and crannies etc the actual lake is prob nearer 12 acres. However, in many swims you are completely hidden away from others and if you are on there with sensible like-minded anglers (which was always the case when Skeff had it) then you would only see each other on a walk around, and even then you would have to go out of your way to see people in some swims (well areas as no actual swims as such). It really is a unique venue and if you haven't been it is worth a visit (ps got 1 trip booked this year to see what changes the CS have made so my comments are based on what it was like pre and immediately post sale)
In reply to Post #34
Pay close to £900 for access to 2 waters. One has fish to high 30's one high 40's... safe and secure so I gladly pay that , out most weekends be it 24 hrs or just a Saturday so I personally feel it's good value ....
I wouldn't entertain a busy day ticket hole in the ground anyway , rather chase chub or tench😂
Have a butchers at some golf club prices and you'll soon change your mind
Pay close to £900 for access to 2 waters. One has fish to high 30's one high 40's... safe and secure so I gladly pay that , out most weekends be it 24 hrs or just a Saturday so I personally feel it's good value ....
I wouldn't entertain a busy day ticket hole in the ground anyway , rather chase chub or tench😂
Have a butchers at some golf club prices and you'll soon change your mind
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