Gentlemen, watch the Nash video, the latest one,join me and engulf the reality of a demise of a beautiful ecosystem..

There you will learn about kill platforms,motorways ,and appalling damage to the fish we hold in high revere..

Thank the do gooders,the greens,and those who.have unwittingly been party to the destruction of many a beautiful place..

Well ,done...Alan,well.done Nash....now watch and understand because this has happened to ALL.of my favourite lakes and special places..over 130.venues on my list ..

Just watched this. Best Nash vid I've seen. Not a fan of Alan's but this was far removed from the usual drum n bass dross they often turn out. Vivaldi, wow.
Beautiful and emotional.

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Emotional and very very educational..

What Alan showed is he's an angler,not just a carp angler..just imagine if your piece of paradise,your happy place shall we say began to be dismantled in front of your own eyes..and there was little you can do about it..

Seriously,well done Nash for doing this ....

I'd also like to add,for those who don't have that experience of predation as yet ,and that is ...repeat captures and sightings ,are per the norm,this is because the stock is slowly being murdered..the remaining ones I found very easy to catch..

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watched half before work this morning, the brace shot of those two commons was very impressive, he's not my favourite chap doing fishing, but he deffo got it right this time

Nice film .... Benefited from a suitable soundtrack, calm narration and not having reams of advertising, shouting or time watching someone play a fish to the bank (i find that really tedious) ... A proper throw back film imo. Good to see John Bailey looking well

The Otter thing : As i get older my stance on this is starting to shift towards needing to accept they are/will be a fact of life going forward .... As Anglers we will need to adapt and adjust our expectations of the sport and the fish we target. We can stamp our feet as much as we like but we cannot change what has happened in the past and a cull is never likely to be agreed (at this stage I would never agree with that anyway)

I have little sympathy for the the day ticket/commercial scene. Its a soulless side of industry, and with the rising cost to fish these places will continue to alienate many. This is even more unpallatable than the risk of predation.

Traditional mixed species club waters I have more sympathy for. If fencing and protecting their waters can be done at a cost that does NOT alienate the guy on a pension then I would happily encourage that.

However if fencing is not possible, and as a result we get some unknown, the quiet and we let nature deal with the issues, I will be happy to take my chances here.

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What happened to PAG and the Angling Trusts initial foray into the world of otter predation?

Things have gone very quiet. Including those who immersed themselves with PAG's early days.

No mention from Tim, Ali etc.

Martin Bowler mentioned the above on the Nash podcast, and he wasn't exactly full of praise.

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Very good point .I have not heard a dicky bird for a long time personally..

I don't know..?

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not watched it yet, but will do very soon.

There's another Nash one regarding this subject coming out soon also

Re the PAG, as most of you are aware, i was part of it for sometime. quite a few of the members when i was in there have moved on, as i did/have. No idea what or if they are still running.

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Same...I contacted Tim back along,never heard anymore,normally he'd reply ASAP,I just left it to be honest as he's no spring chicken..

Was proud of the work I did do for the PAG ,...but nothing seems to have changed over this emotive subject...I just do what I did before and that is talk to people and lake owners ,hoping they'll take it on board..

I guess ,it's out there now...!

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It was a thankless task hey.

But, i'm glad i sat on it, i also feel i left at the right time.

TP doesn't hold the chair there anymore, Tony Gibson does, i might give him a buzz, he's a good bloke.

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Probably right there Josh...I'm glad I did it ,was very cathartic for me ,plus I felt I could help others ,or at least talk about it..

You did a good job, and so did I...we did our little bit for the passion of angling ..

Learnt a lot as well...

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indeed mate and thank you.

i continue to help those who wish to listen and or take on advice, if they dont, im sadly no longer willing to waste my spare time

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Plenty of information on fencing and predator prevention in the fishery management group.

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I must admit I did really enjoy this video infact I loved it and that's saying a lot seeing I can't stand Alan Blair really don't like watching him BUT this really shown him in another light, hopefully they bring more of these out

Another for this offering. AB definitely more reflective than usual and rather philosophical about the issue. Words chosen carefully but the underlying message is things look bleak .. Re the PAG it became very politicised rapidly due to the hoops all concerned were having to continually jump through, just to be heard at levels that may have one ear open on a good day. When you consider raw effluent discharge is a far more visible issue and water authorities get away with blue murder, the issue of otters (seen by fewer people) hardly registers.... besides which the fluffy bunny tree hugging fraternity outnumber those affected by predation.

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i see you came under a bit of fire on there re fencing contractors or summut?

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Found it...ignore the PM

the solid bag rig fish.....notice it's tail

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Yep...seen it straight away as well..,that spraint Alan shows is unlike any spraint ive ever seen as well,I'd love to smell it and break it up ..see what the constituents of it internally..no sign of the jelly either..used to see it regular..

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yeah the spraint suggest a massive diet of crays, that would explain the lack of jelly.

added to that if the family of otters have been there for a while and settled, they wont need to scent mark

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I got a artificial placed,by me spraint stone, it's over 30 years old,I use it as an indicator for lutra traffic..and a couple of natural stones ,points ,anyway ..its not been visited for ages...I wonder if the old male has died..but another will come along again..

But interestingly there is a Beaver further downstream,probably makes no difference,I don't know,but it's interesting...always learning and asking questions..

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The sad thing is Frenzy, the one bloke who seemed to be highlighting the issues consistently and with the loudest voice was yourself, on an obscure section of the internet. I think the "names" per say probably should have had more patience considering they had the louder voices, the resources, and the megaphone they had at the time (until they allowed magazines to die). The whole thing just died a death. I just believe they could have used their voice to magnify the words you were saying.

The organisation dates back over TWELVE years, and when you punch the name into google, the "top" results date back to 2015. People in the upper echelons gave up 7 years ago. It hasn't stopped being an issue, they just took their eye off the ball and will eventually start panicking again when it starts hitting their pockets.

Even then, people got the arse with PAG and created their own little facebook splinter groups which attracted (briefly) a lot of attention, but it was solely aimed at carp anglers, which was quickly picked up by many who don't JUST sit behind three rods, and understand that their floats and quiver tips were just as badly affected if not worse. Therefore the "Carp Protection" societies quickly disappeared, and only aided the lack of unity on the subject.

Ultimately, unless (many not all) people are earning a pound note, they lose interest quickly. I'd hazard a guess that when you're setting up businesses and earning a pretty penny selling to the masses, of which most are totally unaffected by predation, the subject of quickly exits your head.

Of course, these are just my opinions. I wasn't sat at the meetings nor did I donate to PAG. Probably because it took them way too long to add a donation button to their website, a website which no longer exists.

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Not wrong there...

Sometimes, 'lone wolves'and several of them can make more difference than pack culture..!

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I occasionally find spraints on Alton Water near me. The biggest constituent is the remains of coots, hardly any fish.
We also find coot claws and occasional pike heads on the bank, although...


Very little jelly in any spraint.

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They certainly love coots/moorhens, especially male otters

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i spend most of my week at work in the countryside and the wildlife organisations and reserves love otters regardless of the damage they do,they are certainly not bothered about fish

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they are truly incredible animals, i've spent many years dealing with them

what do you do for living, if i may ask

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deliver heating oil and diesel to rural suffolk,essex and norfolk for the best part of 34 years

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Its a great watch, I used to love the videos Alan used to put out with Nash you cant beat his enthusiasm and love for fishing but the last few instalments of euro banks etc didn't hit the mark with me but this had me glued to it for the full video. Hopefully there's more of this style of film coming out with Nash saying there releasing a new video every Monday evening for the foreseeable.

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Just reluctantly watched this, I usually find him a sensory overload TBH, but this was a really good watch, Nash do appear to be upping their game with video content at the moment.

The Park I fish in has no fencing and never will have because it's open access and impossible to do, there are Otters around I'm sure but in 20yrs plus I've never seen one, probably only a matter of time though.

I've fished the front lake on the place the video was shot and even then 30 odd years ago they had otters on there.

Honestly thought it was a brilliant film, very different to the normal Alan we see. Nash have massively upped their game on the media front this year

Haven't watched the film but listened to a bit of the podcast that supports it.

Alan Blair has some cheek moaning about the fact that every lake in the UK is over exposed and rammed these days. With the exception of the Korda Klub I can't think of anyone who has contributed more to the mass popularity of carp fishing.

Great for his own bank balance but cr** for the rest of us.

The genie can't go back in the bottle now but for myself and most I fish with the world was a simpler and better place before YouTube.

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The 'blame' for the popularity of carp fishing lies squarely with Len Middleton. Without the hair rig carp fishing would still be ignored by most.

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Thought it was a brilliant video , although I don't believe for one minute he is the only angler to put a hook in a carps mouth there.

Makes a change where a video is not a constant plug on tackle and bait.

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He did say (may have been in his podcast supporting the video) that there was someone else fishing at the same time, and the odd person had fished it before. Just very very lightly fished

I though it was a good video for highlighting the reality many lakes face. I watch some of the Nash stuff, as it is ok to watch. I guess my issue is with Alan. Its not that I dislike him, but he has that air about him, much like Ali, that just reeks of marketing and sales and I struggle to take him seriously, even when talking of serious issues.

He has put out some videos I have enjoyed though to be fair to him.

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I'm not sure on how Otters hunt , but surely they move on before they start using more energy to catch food than they get. So that woul lend itself to waters retaining stock ?

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Whether we like it or not, almost every single one of these videos is all about marketing products and brands. Otherwise it wouldn't be worth the investment for the brands and we wouldn't have as much available to us as we do now

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I can't argue with that, I guess some can pull it off with a little more finesse than others.

based on the comments here I might actually watch this one. I cant usually stand Nash videos, if I want to listen to a load of chemically charged blokes calling each other geez and bruv then I will wander down to the local boozer and hang out with the football hooligans and ask them to throw on a bit of generic drum n bass on the juke box.

Hopefully someone at Nash might have finally realised that occasionally its not a bad idea to put out some content thats not aimed at twelve year olds who think that carp fishing was invented last week and that the centre of the universe is Linear fisheries.

Init bro.

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Nash's niche was the Eurobanx videos. I don't think they have even gone down the Linear route until recently? To be honest, I think with getting Martin Bowler and John Timmermans on board, they may be starting to move away from the Euro/Urban banx era. Dare I say it, I get the feeling Mr Blair is starting to lose a bit of "fizz" for it all. Will be interesting to see where they take things next, because lets face it, we've seen enough about Bled. I have seen that church more than the one I got married in, and once was enough.

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you could say that they Bled that one dry.







thank you. Im here all week

Never seen anyone rinse a water off the back of a You Tube video.

Personally I like to write my own story.

Watched this because of this thread. I normally skip past anything with Alan Blair, but this was very respectfully made, without any of that God awful idiot music. I enjoyed it. I do think 90% of Carl anglers are blind/don't care though. Many are happy to fish for fish that were stocked last week, so it makes no odds to them.

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Must admit, ive NEVER watched AB until this thread. Since then, ive been watching Eurobanks, aside the complete woeful sh$te "tunes", ive really (surprisingly) enjoyed them

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I like the Eurobanx stuff, I'd agree the music isn't to my taste but I suppose it's probably aimed more at the younger generation trying to attract a new wave of anglers

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It's those I enjoyed, with the same dislike as others. The sense of adventure in some of them was addictive and the effort to take on some of what they did made me tired watching it.

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Rmfho

''Will be interesting to see where they take things next, because lets face it, we've seen enough about Bled. I have seen that church more than the one I got married in, and once was enough. ''


LOL.....!!!

''you could say that they Bled that one dry.''

Double LOL...!!

Jumping on an old thread... just watched Part 2. Even better than Part 1.

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Not usually into the modern carousel of indistinguishable dross but both part 1 and 2 of this bucked the trend and were really nice to watch.

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Both have been a very good watch

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very good, really enjoyed both.

Only thing that spolit it (no fault of program) was the dam adverts

Good to see a slightly less annoying version of AB, a bit less "bruv" and that crap music.
It was a bit cringey with the thick layers of sugar and the AB/JB love in

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The best bit for me was when they realised they had that big common in the net and John had to "sssssssshhh" AB

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Funny I was just thinking the same. I'm only just watching it now but the adverts are horrendous! Obviously me being tight and not paying for premium 😂

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One dosent get rich giving it away mate

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Watch on laptop with an adblocker and you don't see any adverts.

Credit where it's due, I've enjoyed the videos over the last few months that Alan has put out.