Fishing very short distance at around 15 yards, the bottom is hard and flat so figure slack lines would be best for this situation. But question whether this should light running lead or 3 to 4oz on a lead clip?
In reply to Post #1
Running lead every time, clips are notorious for bad indication if the fish kites.
I regularly use 1oz leads for this.
Running lead every time, clips are notorious for bad indication if the fish kites.
I regularly use 1oz leads for this.
In reply to Post #1
Id go with a heavy running lead, or light lead on a clip out of those options. Have you condidered going with inline, fished either running or in a drop of fashion? personally though, i use helicopters for most of my fishing and dont change that based on distance.
Id go with a heavy running lead, or light lead on a clip out of those options. Have you condidered going with inline, fished either running or in a drop of fashion? personally though, i use helicopters for most of my fishing and dont change that based on distance.
If you are getting a few takes you could try one rod on each and compare?
I'm not sure how much kiting a fish can do with only 15 yards or line in the water, but my preference in this situation (hard, clear bottom) would be a nice heavy (4oz minimum), flat pear lead on a clip and semi slack line.
I'm not sure how much kiting a fish can do with only 15 yards or line in the water, but my preference in this situation (hard, clear bottom) would be a nice heavy (4oz minimum), flat pear lead on a clip and semi slack line.
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2oz running rig.... Or if you can Wade it on to the spot then a 5oz lead. We all know heavier leads give better hooking potential. Some may kid you and say leads have little impact when using running rigs but most fish will shoot off shaking their heads, thus moving the lead still.
I've used running rigs for years now, unless I've got a chod on. Going too light you do almost solely rely on the line tension for hooking potential, 2oz and slack lines I have found to be the minimum lead weight at close range and a super sharp hook. Get your line in the line clip on your rod and don't set the clutch too loose.
2oz running rig.... Or if you can Wade it on to the spot then a 5oz lead. We all know heavier leads give better hooking potential. Some may kid you and say leads have little impact when using running rigs but most fish will shoot off shaking their heads, thus moving the lead still.
I've used running rigs for years now, unless I've got a chod on. Going too light you do almost solely rely on the line tension for hooking potential, 2oz and slack lines I have found to be the minimum lead weight at close range and a super sharp hook. Get your line in the line clip on your rod and don't set the clutch too loose.
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"I'm not sure how much kiting a fish can do with only 15 yards or line in the water"
That's easy, anything up to a 15 yard radius.
"I'm not sure how much kiting a fish can do with only 15 yards or line in the water"
That's easy, anything up to a 15 yard radius.
In reply to Post #2
If it were notorious, then it would have happened to me at some point over the years, having used lead clips for decades, but it hasn't. At 15 yards, it'll be screaming off, every time. No need to over think it.
If it were notorious, then it would have happened to me at some point over the years, having used lead clips for decades, but it hasn't. At 15 yards, it'll be screaming off, every time. No need to over think it.
In reply to Post #1
Thanks for the replies!
I will be wading to the spot and hand placing the rig in about 4 foot of water. No weed at all and flat bottom. I will be baiting with chopped and whole boile all around the around the area. I will probably start with a roni rig
Forgot to mention this is a lake in France, I fished there last year, the spot did me 3 x 50+ fish over the week.
Thanks for the replies!
I will be wading to the spot and hand placing the rig in about 4 foot of water. No weed at all and flat bottom. I will be baiting with chopped and whole boile all around the around the area. I will probably start with a roni rig
Forgot to mention this is a lake in France, I fished there last year, the spot did me 3 x 50+ fish over the week.
In reply to Post #6
If that's an attempt at simple geometry it makes no sense in this scenario as it doesn't allow for line stretch, a reel clutch or the bank.
Pedantic*, yes, but if you are going to try and proliferate this nonsense about kiting with pseudo maths at least get the fundamental theory correct.
It's a smart fish that can pick up sharp hook attached to a 5oz lead and move any distance without getting hooked.
If you can wade out even better, a 5/6oz lead on a clip or inline , short rig and a super sharp hook and they will have a really hard time getting away with it.
*Fat finger edit, have to admit that got me
If that's an attempt at simple geometry it makes no sense in this scenario as it doesn't allow for line stretch, a reel clutch or the bank.
Pedantic*, yes, but if you are going to try and proliferate this nonsense about kiting with pseudo maths at least get the fundamental theory correct.
It's a smart fish that can pick up sharp hook attached to a 5oz lead and move any distance without getting hooked.
If you can wade out even better, a 5/6oz lead on a clip or inline , short rig and a super sharp hook and they will have a really hard time getting away with it.
*Fat finger edit, have to admit that got me
In reply to Post #10
I think that may have been an attempt at humour rather than geometry. Made me smile anyway.
I think that may have been an attempt at humour rather than geometry. Made me smile anyway.
In reply to Post #11
Someone got it, Someone else takes themselves too seriously.
BTW, the word you're referring to is 'pedantic'. Just to be pedantic.
But just curious, how does a reel clutch or "the bank" affect fish kiting,you do understand the meaning of the term 🤔?
Someone got it, Someone else takes themselves too seriously.
BTW, the word you're referring to is 'pedantic'. Just to be pedantic.
But just curious, how does a reel clutch or "the bank" affect fish kiting,you do understand the meaning of the term 🤔?
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The pedantic spelling did make me laugh. Poxy phone
My point about clutch and bank was in reference to your ‘anything up to a 15 yard radius' quip.
A radius is a fixed distance between the centre of a circle and its circumference. In this case the centre of the circle would be the rod tip and the lead is at the circumference. If a clutch gives line the distance between rod tip and lead changes and the radius is no longer fixed at 15 yards. ‘Anything up to a 15 yard radius' becomes false.
The bank point refers to a circle having 360 degrees. On a 15 yard radius around the centre point of your rod tip a portion of that circumference will be on the bank. ‘Anything up to a 15 yard radius' becomes false unless the fish can kite onto the bank.
This is tedious, but my point was if you're going to be a smart a**e at least be smart.
I then nulled my own point by misspelling pedantic, so I'll shut up and say just use a nice heavy lead.
The pedantic spelling did make me laugh. Poxy phone
My point about clutch and bank was in reference to your ‘anything up to a 15 yard radius' quip.
A radius is a fixed distance between the centre of a circle and its circumference. In this case the centre of the circle would be the rod tip and the lead is at the circumference. If a clutch gives line the distance between rod tip and lead changes and the radius is no longer fixed at 15 yards. ‘Anything up to a 15 yard radius' becomes false.
The bank point refers to a circle having 360 degrees. On a 15 yard radius around the centre point of your rod tip a portion of that circumference will be on the bank. ‘Anything up to a 15 yard radius' becomes false unless the fish can kite onto the bank.
This is tedious, but my point was if you're going to be a smart a**e at least be smart.
I then nulled my own point by misspelling pedantic, so I'll shut up and say just use a nice heavy lead.
In reply to Post #13
Why a nice heavy lead, what's wrong with a nasty old heavy one or am I being pedantic.
Why a nice heavy lead, what's wrong with a nasty old heavy one or am I being pedantic.
In reply to Post #13
The clutch doesn't come into play if a fish kites. If the alarms and indicators don't react,how should the clutch ? I'm also curious as to your reference to "the bank", are you referring to the earth's magnetic frequency perhaps or the economy 🤔
I have no wish to play childish battles of wits with you ,I would never fight an unarmed man.
But let the forum continue without petty member waving.
The clutch doesn't come into play if a fish kites. If the alarms and indicators don't react,how should the clutch ? I'm also curious as to your reference to "the bank", are you referring to the earth's magnetic frequency perhaps or the economy 🤔
I have no wish to play childish battles of wits with you ,I would never fight an unarmed man.
But let the forum continue without petty member waving.
I have used light leads fished slack on sinking lines since 2006 (Thanks, Keith). Unless things dictate otherwise, this is my go-to rig:
The lead is attached via a C-Link
I do use other set-ups where necessary, including lead clips, when necessary, but I am never totally happy with these. I ask myself, which is likely to be the most sensitive, the one shown above, of this one?
The lead is attached via a C-Link
I do use other set-ups where necessary, including lead clips, when necessary, but I am never totally happy with these. I ask myself, which is likely to be the most sensitive, the one shown above, of this one?
In reply to Post #16
Same C clip settup.
Same C clip settup.
In reply to Post #17
In reply to Post #1
Me personally, I prefer a 3 or 3.5oz lead on a run ring with slack lines.
I have caught fish on baits lowered in and pulling enough line off the reel to keep the indicator totally dropped, and casting ranges up to 90metres fishing with slack line, again the indicators dropped.
When I get a run, the line pulls tight as the buzzer bleeps and indicator pulls up, then hits the freespool/baitrunner.
Rare to miss a definite indication like that.
I am not keen on lead clips, preferring an inline if a slack line and running lead is not practical, even on hard bottoms, putting everything, lead, bait and rig in PVA bags.
Me personally, I prefer a 3 or 3.5oz lead on a run ring with slack lines.
I have caught fish on baits lowered in and pulling enough line off the reel to keep the indicator totally dropped, and casting ranges up to 90metres fishing with slack line, again the indicators dropped.
When I get a run, the line pulls tight as the buzzer bleeps and indicator pulls up, then hits the freespool/baitrunner.
Rare to miss a definite indication like that.
I am not keen on lead clips, preferring an inline if a slack line and running lead is not practical, even on hard bottoms, putting everything, lead, bait and rig in PVA bags.
In reply to Post #1
If you can try them both, running & semi-fixed, maybe try an inline lead.
If you can try them both, running & semi-fixed, maybe try an inline lead.
In reply to Post #17
Out of interest what do you mean most sensitive?
Out of interest what do you mean most sensitive?
In reply to Post #9
If you are wading out and placing by hand, id definitely be going to a 5-6oz drop off inline
If you are wading out and placing by hand, id definitely be going to a 5-6oz drop off inline
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