Having an issue with one of my heli safe,casts ok feather the lead stop it before hits water and it's dropping the lead on impact ?
Anyone know why this is ?
Anyone know why this is ?
In reply to Post #1
Have you tried opening it up and cleaning it out. Sometimes grit gets stuck in them and can stop the mechanism working correctly
Have you tried opening it up and cleaning it out. Sometimes grit gets stuck in them and can stop the mechanism working correctly
In reply to Post #2
Poor product tbh lost trust in it they have all come off and it's back to lead clips with long booms
Poor quality 👎🏼👎🏼👎🏼
Poor product tbh lost trust in it they have all come off and it's back to lead clips with long booms
Poor quality 👎🏼👎🏼👎🏼
In reply to Post #3
Never had any issues myself, but each to their own
Never had any issues myself, but each to their own
In reply to Post #4
How do you keep the lead on with them ? Struggling to see where the color is supposed to go ?
How do you keep the lead on with them ? Struggling to see where the color is supposed to go ?
In reply to Post #5
The collar that stops the lead ejecting? That goes in with the spring
The collar that stops the lead ejecting? That goes in with the spring
In reply to Post #6
Honestly, break them apart and rinse them out and they will work fine
Honestly, break them apart and rinse them out and they will work fine
In reply to Post #7
Did that happened again twice,just put collars in and dropped the lead side down to 2oz
Did that happened again twice,just put collars in and dropped the lead side down to 2oz
In reply to Post #8
Assume you are lining everything up correctly? I use 3.5 oz leads on mine and have only ever had issues when they have got grot in them
Assume you are lining everything up correctly? I use 3.5 oz leads on mine and have only ever had issues when they have got grot in them
In reply to Post #9
Whatever you do don't buy the new mini versions. I used them on one session then next session did my usual rig check before casting out and saw the body on both of them had cracked. Like split down the middle, the lead could have potential flown off
Whatever you do don't buy the new mini versions. I used them on one session then next session did my usual rig check before casting out and saw the body on both of them had cracked. Like split down the middle, the lead could have potential flown off
These things are like nuclear weapons. You wish you could but can't un-invent them
In reply to Post #11
Mental how we have to take it apart and clean it every cast for it to work correct 🤣i
Mental how we have to take it apart and clean it every cast for it to work correct 🤣i
This is user error or a bad batch they work absolutely fine for me ? Only thing I can think of in a moulding deformity shortening the rentention arm or you aren't setting it up correctly.
I know Korda charge some eye watering prices for stuff but you couldnt call these poor quality on the whole
I know Korda charge some eye watering prices for stuff but you couldnt call these poor quality on the whole
In reply to Post #13
Seems everyone has said springs need to be regularly cleaned no ?
Seems everyone has said springs need to be regularly cleaned no ?
Definitely user error!!
I have been using since they come out and never had a problem.
I have been using since they come out and never had a problem.
In reply to Post #14
Not regularly. Just if youre having issues, and they are set up correctly
Not regularly. Just if youre having issues, and they are set up correctly
In reply to Post #16
Set up perfect locked in was used in a short day session before today
Set up perfect locked in was used in a short day session before today
In reply to Post #15
Explain how the casing of mine cracked on both while being in storage for the winter? They were fine when I put them both away. I consider myself fairly careful with small finnicky things so was quite disappointed when this happened and how much I paid for them to break on their second outing.
Explain how the casing of mine cracked on both while being in storage for the winter? They were fine when I put them both away. I consider myself fairly careful with small finnicky things so was quite disappointed when this happened and how much I paid for them to break on their second outing.
In reply to Post #18
I've also used them since they came out and have not once lost a lead on the cast. I've had the same 3 on for a couple of years now and they're as good as new.
Worth persevering with
I've also used them since they came out and have not once lost a lead on the cast. I've had the same 3 on for a couple of years now and they're as good as new.
Worth persevering with
In reply to Post #19
Interested to hear other opinions on this one.
I fish a fairly weedy water with a leader/leadcore ban. If I use the helisafe without the collar, so drop off style as soon as I retrieve through any weed the lead comes off.
Apart from trying the old flick the lead off the bottom and wind in fast anyone got any tips how not to drop a lead every retrieve. It's getting expensive and not good dropping multiple leads for the sake of it.
Cheers
MH
Interested to hear other opinions on this one.
I fish a fairly weedy water with a leader/leadcore ban. If I use the helisafe without the collar, so drop off style as soon as I retrieve through any weed the lead comes off.
Apart from trying the old flick the lead off the bottom and wind in fast anyone got any tips how not to drop a lead every retrieve. It's getting expensive and not good dropping multiple leads for the sake of it.
Cheers
MH
In reply to Post #20
Your confidence in them must be shot ?
Your confidence in them must be shot ?
In reply to Post #21
Ive dropped down to as light a lead as possible and put the collar on, so don't drop the lead - which isn't really what I wanted them for.
Wondered if Im doing something wrong?
Ive dropped down to as light a lead as possible and put the collar on, so don't drop the lead - which isn't really what I wanted them for.
Wondered if Im doing something wrong?
In reply to Post #18
Can you post some pictures?
Can you post some pictures?
In reply to Post #20
The latest ones. The minis, have a red coil with them which takes slightly more pressure and can aleaviate that issue
The latest ones. The minis, have a red coil with them which takes slightly more pressure and can aleaviate that issue
Love how the OP asks a question and despite people trying to help it seems you'd rather assume you can do absolutely no wrong and it's the products fault. There is zero point in anyone trying to help you if you dismiss every suggestion.
Many of us have abused the crap out of these and they have been fine, never even heard of a case cracking but I'd 100% want to see photos as I like to constantly scrutinise what I use
Many of us have abused the crap out of these and they have been fine, never even heard of a case cracking but I'd 100% want to see photos as I like to constantly scrutinise what I use
In reply to Post #14
Nope, never cleaned one and never ejected a lead on the cast. Not sure what you are doing.
Nope, never cleaned one and never ejected a lead on the cast. Not sure what you are doing.
In reply to Post #20
If the lead snags weed it shouldn't drop unless very dense. If the hook or rig snags then it likely will, that's how they are designed to work on a take. If it's that weedy and you're losing leads on the retrieve either put the collar in and use a light lead you don't need to drop or find a clearer spot to fish.
They are a plastic case with a simple hook and spring, not fool proof magic.
If the lead snags weed it shouldn't drop unless very dense. If the hook or rig snags then it likely will, that's how they are designed to work on a take. If it's that weedy and you're losing leads on the retrieve either put the collar in and use a light lead you don't need to drop or find a clearer spot to fish.
They are a plastic case with a simple hook and spring, not fool proof magic.
In reply to Post #23
I never took any and was too annoyed on the bank to bother keeping them. Just to repeat, the ones that split for me were the new mini versions, I had the red springs in and kept them on when I packed the rods away. They split on the cap part that is twisted into place, on the minis this part is quite small but made them unsafe.
I never took any and was too annoyed on the bank to bother keeping them. Just to repeat, the ones that split for me were the new mini versions, I had the red springs in and kept them on when I packed the rods away. They split on the cap part that is twisted into place, on the minis this part is quite small but made them unsafe.
In reply to Post #28
You said it was winter, maybe they had water in them, that froze and that caused the crack
You said it was winter, maybe they had water in them, that froze and that caused the crack
In reply to Post #28
Haven't heard of any cracking possibly down to water temperature over colder months ?
Haven't heard of any cracking possibly down to water temperature over colder months ?
In reply to Post #28
On first glance I have thought that the top section that clips down onto the main body has been cracked. I was miffed too, but was actually just an injection moulding seam.
On first glance I have thought that the top section that clips down onto the main body has been cracked. I was miffed too, but was actually just an injection moulding seam.
In reply to Post #28
I have had the normal sized ones break,it was by the slot where the cap fits.
I have had the normal sized ones break,it was by the slot where the cap fits.
In reply to Post #20
if you are fishing them naked and are using something like a line saver bead, then raise it up slightly from the helisafe, only by a cm or so, that should give you a buffer that will help stop that, i have done this in the past.
I too have used heli and mini heli safes for ages and i think they are brilliant
if you are fishing them naked and are using something like a line saver bead, then raise it up slightly from the helisafe, only by a cm or so, that should give you a buffer that will help stop that, i have done this in the past.
I too have used heli and mini heli safes for ages and i think they are brilliant
In reply to Post #33
used them naked and on the heli tubing kit (which is fiddly) but works really well , not had the issues with casting but fish the same water as swifty below so also have the issues of dropping leads when I dont really want too
Tip:
I would add using a heli leaad definitely helps
used them naked and on the heli tubing kit (which is fiddly) but works really well , not had the issues with casting but fish the same water as swifty below so also have the issues of dropping leads when I dont really want too
Tip:
I would add using a heli leaad definitely helps
In reply to Post #32
Had that happen once as well the small piece of plastic above the cut out on the main outer body split, I've used them for quite some time and find if your using a swivel lead these can randomly eject whereas a heli ring and it never happens I think some of the swivels are to thin and pop out the hook and gate easier on the lead touchdown with the water, it's better to cut off the swivel and connect direct to the brass loop as it's thicker but even then the brass loop needs to be wide enough for the hook mechanism with some free play too tight and the gate doesn't shut properly.
Had that happen once as well the small piece of plastic above the cut out on the main outer body split, I've used them for quite some time and find if your using a swivel lead these can randomly eject whereas a heli ring and it never happens I think some of the swivels are to thin and pop out the hook and gate easier on the lead touchdown with the water, it's better to cut off the swivel and connect direct to the brass loop as it's thicker but even then the brass loop needs to be wide enough for the hook mechanism with some free play too tight and the gate doesn't shut properly.
In reply to Post #35
I need 100% confidence in any tackle I use...These fall too short of that for me
I need 100% confidence in any tackle I use...These fall too short of that for me
In reply to Post #29
Rods as with all my gear are stored in my converted garage, which is nice and warm so no possibility of that happening. I'm not sure if it's the amount of pressure the red spring puts on the casing which cause the issue.
Rods as with all my gear are stored in my converted garage, which is nice and warm so no possibility of that happening. I'm not sure if it's the amount of pressure the red spring puts on the casing which cause the issue.
In reply to Post #28
Seems strange not to take a photo of you consider something unsafe? Every chance you stepped on them and without photos can't see the kind of damage you sledge it's quite confusing
Seems strange not to take a photo of you consider something unsafe? Every chance you stepped on them and without photos can't see the kind of damage you sledge it's quite confusing
In reply to Post #38
Or maybe he thought what a load of junk and threw it there and then pissed off with wasting the money 🤣
Or maybe he thought what a load of junk and threw it there and then pissed off with wasting the money 🤣
In reply to Post #36
I've got 100% confidence in them they've never let me down and I was reluctant to buy when they first came out and there were a few anti's sagging them. Not used the tubing kit yet will be giving it a try.
I've got 100% confidence in them they've never let me down and I was reluctant to buy when they first came out and there were a few anti's sagging them. Not used the tubing kit yet will be giving it a try.
In reply to Post #18
USER ERROR
USER ERROR
In reply to Post #41
Yeah user error I always open them up put dirt into the springs before casting 🤣🤣🤣 🤡
Yeah user error I always open them up put dirt into the springs before casting 🤣🤣🤣 🤡
I've used them since they came out and not had any issues whatsoever. Great bit of kit imo.
And tbf the fact the OP's post #5 clearly shows he doesn't know how they work may suggest some user error is evident. No offence intended.
And tbf the fact the OP's post #5 clearly shows he doesn't know how they work may suggest some user error is evident. No offence intended.
In reply to Post #42
Sounds about right.
All your tackle is probably filthy
Sounds about right.
All your tackle is probably filthy
In reply to Post #43
Well no I didn't know how to keep the lead on I had only used it on 2 day sessions before this incident I didn't buy them to keep the lead on 🤣
Well no I didn't know how to keep the lead on I had only used it on 2 day sessions before this incident I didn't buy them to keep the lead on 🤣
In reply to Post #44
Oh noooooo my SS3000's are still like new bar a couple of marks I've had to touch up 😝
Oh noooooo my SS3000's are still like new bar a couple of marks I've had to touch up 😝
In reply to Post #39
Nah anyone that makes the effort to complain on a forum and owns a smart phone is going to take a snap haha especially if it means a refund which it would of
Nah anyone that makes the effort to complain on a forum and owns a smart phone is going to take a snap haha especially if it means a refund which it would of
In reply to Post #45
The packet they come supplied in explains exactly how to use them and set them up to drop or retain the lead.
The packet they come supplied in explains exactly how to use them and set them up to drop or retain the lead.
In reply to Post #45
Take them apart and check them out mate. The mechanics are dead simple, really good design. You'll see if a spring is bust or something. Quick clean will probs do the job, I've had the same set on for 2 years + without issues and the previous set even longer.
Take them apart and check them out mate. The mechanics are dead simple, really good design. You'll see if a spring is bust or something. Quick clean will probs do the job, I've had the same set on for 2 years + without issues and the previous set even longer.
In reply to Post #49
2 were ok was just this one the spring is making a creaking noise
2 were ok was just this one the spring is making a creaking noise
I've used them loads since they came out never had any issues. The 2 mai. Plastic pieces do only go together one way, there's a little lug on one piece that needs to fit into a channel on the other. If you've forced them together the wrong way (180degrees) That may have meant that the spring is compromised (dropped leads) and may also explain why they are breaking (plastic under too much strain)
In reply to Post #38
I arrive at a venue and the brand new Heli safes I have on are split and a bag of *****, first thing I did was show a friend then cut the line and throw them in my bin bag. Did consider emailing korda but that was at the end of the session
I arrive at a venue and the brand new Heli safes I have on are split and a bag of *****, first thing I did was show a friend then cut the line and throw them in my bin bag. Did consider emailing korda but that was at the end of the session
In reply to Post #52
Naaaaa don't believe you.
Naaaaa don't believe you.
In reply to Post #53
Another thread turned into the most boring thread ever.
Give advice or bore off to face ache. Jesus wept.
Not directed at the PP just the 23 emails in my inbox
Another thread turned into the most boring thread ever.
Give advice or bore off to face ache. Jesus wept.
Not directed at the PP just the 23 emails in my inbox
In reply to Post #54
Turn off email notifications then? I've never had a single email alert since posting on here.
It might bore you but others may find it useful, beautiful thing different tastes innit
Turn off email notifications then? I've never had a single email alert since posting on here.
It might bore you but others may find it useful, beautiful thing different tastes innit
In reply to Post #53
I'm not here to convince you that it happened just sharing my experience. Take it however you want
I'm not here to convince you that it happened just sharing my experience. Take it however you want
In reply to Post #49
I've just bought some of the newer smaller versions Yonny, have you tried these ? The red springs (stronger) seem a good idea but slightly awkward to remove the lead when packing rods away.
I've still got my originals and have performed impeccably and consistently, great design and thought out product 👍
I've just bought some of the newer smaller versions Yonny, have you tried these ? The red springs (stronger) seem a good idea but slightly awkward to remove the lead when packing rods away.
I've still got my originals and have performed impeccably and consistently, great design and thought out product 👍
In reply to Post #57
I have some in the tackle box but not tried them yet, still using the old ones!
I have some in the tackle box but not tried them yet, still using the old ones!
In reply to Post #58
Fair enough I'd be intrigued by any feedback once you've used them, btw were you at a skunk Anansie gig the other week ?
Fair enough I'd be intrigued by any feedback once you've used them, btw were you at a skunk Anansie gig the other week ?
In reply to Post #59
That's definitely first place for random question of the year so far!
That's definitely first place for random question of the year so far!
I recommend not using the silver springs. Have 3 leads go and one jam open. Larger heli safes are far better in my opinion. Another clever market ploy selling them in 2s also.
In reply to Post #61
Why? Less waste packaging than selling indevidualy. Would think most buyers would want at least two. Been discust before but the waste packing of terminal tackle is shocking.
Why? Less waste packaging than selling indevidualy. Would think most buyers would want at least two. Been discust before but the waste packing of terminal tackle is shocking.
In reply to Post #62
I agree, for the life of me i don't know why terminal tackle packaging cant be made out of something more recyclable like paper.
I agree, for the life of me i don't know why terminal tackle packaging cant be made out of something more recyclable like paper.
In reply to Post #61
I used the red springs on the minis and I feel this is what split them. It put so much pressure on the tiny little cap.
I used the red springs on the minis and I feel this is what split them. It put so much pressure on the tiny little cap.
In reply to Post #59
were you at a skunk Anansie gig the other week
Not me buddy!
were you at a skunk Anansie gig the other week
Not me buddy!
In reply to Post #57
is there an easy way to change from silver to red springs on a pretied kable leader ?? suppose you have to cut and resplice?
is there an easy way to change from silver to red springs on a pretied kable leader ?? suppose you have to cut and resplice?
In reply to Post #66
You just open the case and swap the springs. The spring doesn't go over the line so no need to cut anything.
You just open the case and swap the springs. The spring doesn't go over the line so no need to cut anything.
In reply to Post #62
I mean they should do packs of 3. Most fish 3 rods so need to buy to packs. Be been less waste if they sold them in 3s
I mean they should do packs of 3. Most fish 3 rods so need to buy to packs. Be been less waste if they sold them in 3s
In reply to Post #68
Not sure most fish three rods, plenty fish two or four and some one. Surely most would want a spare or two. Personally I don't see why shops can't be supplied with a box of a hundred or whatever and just sell them indevidualy, leads have always been sold loose unpacked although I see some are packing in bags of ten now.
Not sure most fish three rods, plenty fish two or four and some one. Surely most would want a spare or two. Personally I don't see why shops can't be supplied with a box of a hundred or whatever and just sell them indevidualy, leads have always been sold loose unpacked although I see some are packing in bags of ten now.
In reply to Post #69
Yep, they could do this with so much tackle; PVA mesh could be cut to length from big spools (like wire in the hardware shop), same with braid / mono hook length materials and tubing, and any number of rig bits and pieces could almost be sold "pick 'n' mix" style. The amount of plastic packaging on show in all tackle shops is an absolute scandal.
Yep, they could do this with so much tackle; PVA mesh could be cut to length from big spools (like wire in the hardware shop), same with braid / mono hook length materials and tubing, and any number of rig bits and pieces could almost be sold "pick 'n' mix" style. The amount of plastic packaging on show in all tackle shops is an absolute scandal.
In reply to Post #60
Great do I win some kind of award ? I genuinely thought I spotted Ian.
Great do I win some kind of award ? I genuinely thought I spotted Ian.
In reply to Post #1
Whats the point of dropping the lead on a heli? Thought the whole point re safety was a fixed lead that meant the only tether in the event of mainline break is the hooklink . . .not a big bit of plastic on the end that could get caught up etc
Whats the point of dropping the lead on a heli? Thought the whole point re safety was a fixed lead that meant the only tether in the event of mainline break is the hooklink . . .not a big bit of plastic on the end that could get caught up etc
In reply to Post #72
Went back into lead clips my mate had 2 open up on the cast yesterday he's also binned them now,these are the mini ones,both locked into place the spring though felt and sounded awful
Went back into lead clips my mate had 2 open up on the cast yesterday he's also binned them now,these are the mini ones,both locked into place the spring though felt and sounded awful
In reply to Post #68
They sell them in 2 knowing most use 3 so it's more money for them marketing etc or what ever 🤣
They sell them in 2 knowing most use 3 so it's more money for them marketing etc or what ever 🤣
In reply to Post #73
Seems like a few are having issues with these new ones where the old ones are highly rated.
Seems like a few are having issues with these new ones where the old ones are highly rated.
In reply to Post #75
Hi - I have been using the mini ones since they came out, had no issues with them at all, not losing leads. I like them because they are a bit more discrete (not that I think the fish care, more my own OCD), and I haven't had any issues with them.
Hi - I have been using the mini ones since they came out, had no issues with them at all, not losing leads. I like them because they are a bit more discrete (not that I think the fish care, more my own OCD), and I haven't had any issues with them.
In reply to Post #74
Like no one would buy spares
Like no one would buy spares
In reply to Post #75
Think the issues are pretty much exclusively on this thread to be honest, would be heard of more by now if not
Think the issues are pretty much exclusively on this thread to be honest, would be heard of more by now if not
In reply to Post #75
Fished 3 of the new ones on my rods overnight. Water not that weedy yet. Had red springs in them & all set up OK. Fished to 90 yds & no problems on the cast however had a mid double in the night & at first I thought the lead had discharged, but on closer inspection the bottom half had come off completely. I wonder if the red spring is too strong to discharge the lead resulting in the bead breaking at the join. Bit expensive if you are losing the lead & breaking the heli bead on each fish.
Fished 3 of the new ones on my rods overnight. Water not that weedy yet. Had red springs in them & all set up OK. Fished to 90 yds & no problems on the cast however had a mid double in the night & at first I thought the lead had discharged, but on closer inspection the bottom half had come off completely. I wonder if the red spring is too strong to discharge the lead resulting in the bead breaking at the join. Bit expensive if you are losing the lead & breaking the heli bead on each fish.
In reply to Post #79
Glad to see I wasn't losing the plot when it happened to me. I think you're right about the red springs for the minis, did you email korda to see if this was a common fault?
Glad to see I wasn't losing the plot when it happened to me. I think you're right about the red springs for the minis, did you email korda to see if this was a common fault?
In reply to Post #80
No yet. Oz Holness was fishing next to me & I couldn't remember if he had a tie up with Korda but it was pouring as I was packing up so I couldnt be bothered to ask him.
No yet. Oz Holness was fishing next to me & I couldn't remember if he had a tie up with Korda but it was pouring as I was packing up so I couldnt be bothered to ask him.
In reply to Post #81
Appreciate the sarcasm but it annoyed me when they broke on my second outing and I threw mine out.
Appreciate the sarcasm but it annoyed me when they broke on my second outing and I threw mine out.
In reply to Post #82
After preaching about never having issues with the originals, I lost a lead on the cast Sunday night. First trip with the mini's and a 30 yard flick that was going off piste. Stopped it early and the lead dropped off immediately.
Caught one that had dropped the lead despite going nowhere near any weed... I was hoping the red springs would only drop the lead if really required but first impressions suggest otherwise.
After preaching about never having issues with the originals, I lost a lead on the cast Sunday night. First trip with the mini's and a 30 yard flick that was going off piste. Stopped it early and the lead dropped off immediately.
Caught one that had dropped the lead despite going nowhere near any weed... I was hoping the red springs would only drop the lead if really required but first impressions suggest otherwise.
In reply to Post #83
Red flags
Red flags
In reply to Post #83
I must admit I haven't tried them with red springs 👍
I must admit I haven't tried them with red springs 👍
In reply to Post #81
Oz is with Thinking he uses C Clips
Oz is with Thinking he uses C Clips
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