Just how much damage is carp bait actually causing to certain venues/day ticket lakes getting bombarded by loads of bait daily, conveyor belt style 
one angler after the next. Should the amount of bait thrown into the lake be limited, to a certain extent, and not just banning certain types of bait eg particle, nuts ?
Just how much damage is done, by loads of bad quality , uneaten bait, loaded with preservatives, rotting on the bottom ? Not all of it pops up & floats. Do venue owners regularly check for variations in water quality, rise in ammonia levels etc ? Especially on smaller venues eg 1-2 acres etc, that see loads of anglers daily, piling it in. Anyone done an indepth study into how carp baits affect the degradation of aquatic ecosystems
one angler after the next. Should the amount of bait thrown into the lake be limited, to a certain extent, and not just banning certain types of bait eg particle, nuts ?Just how much damage is done, by loads of bad quality , uneaten bait, loaded with preservatives, rotting on the bottom ? Not all of it pops up & floats. Do venue owners regularly check for variations in water quality, rise in ammonia levels etc ? Especially on smaller venues eg 1-2 acres etc, that see loads of anglers daily, piling it in. Anyone done an indepth study into how carp baits affect the degradation of aquatic ecosystems
In reply to Post #1
MOST of the said fisheries are overstocked and the bait will rarely remain not eaten I would imagine.
Not many of these type of fisheries have naturals in them for the carp to eat so it's anglers bait or starve
MOST of the said fisheries are overstocked and the bait will rarely remain not eaten I would imagine.
Not many of these type of fisheries have naturals in them for the carp to eat so it's anglers bait or starve
In reply to Post #1
In extreme circumstances excess ammonia levels will have an obvious detrimental effect on the fish and fish deaths will result . Nature has a way of telling you things are out of kilter.
In extreme circumstances excess ammonia levels will have an obvious detrimental effect on the fish and fish deaths will result . Nature has a way of telling you things are out of kilter.
In reply to Post #2
That's not always the case, seen a few places ban spodding and put bait limits in place due to the volume going in having a detrimental affect.
That's not always the case, seen a few places ban spodding and put bait limits in place due to the volume going in having a detrimental affect.
When the fish are caught looking morbidly obese it's a sad sight. Yet bait suppliers argue that we owe it to them to all use lots of calorific bait, like confectioners conditioning parents to ‘treat' their fat ******* kids
In reply to Post #5
Carp care should include the bait we use
Carp care should include the bait we use
In reply to Post #6
interesting...would you care to expand?
if we cared as much much as one expressed, one wouldnt stick hooks in them
interesting...would you care to expand?
if we cared as much much as one expressed, one wouldnt stick hooks in them
This is where the argument “baits to catch fish end of” falls apart for some forum members.
A bait should provide balanced nutrition, and be susceptible to being broken down by the naturals within tge lake so as no to build up an excess protein level in the water.
Baits containing high fat ingredients or too much nutrition leave carp in exactly the situation you see.
A bait should provide balanced nutrition, and be susceptible to being broken down by the naturals within tge lake so as no to build up an excess protein level in the water.
Baits containing high fat ingredients or too much nutrition leave carp in exactly the situation you see.
In reply to Post #8
Ding ding ding. We have a winner
You know it's too much when you have to rely on other organisms to break down the excess of bait in the water
And at what stage in their evolution would carp have become nutritionally dependent on marine products without being pellet reared and slipped en masse into a puddle?
I was just answering the original question and too much is when it's detrimental to fish health, water quality and natural balance. Imo of course
Ding ding ding. We have a winner
You know it's too much when you have to rely on other organisms to break down the excess of bait in the water
And at what stage in their evolution would carp have become nutritionally dependent on marine products without being pellet reared and slipped en masse into a puddle?
I was just answering the original question and too much is when it's detrimental to fish health, water quality and natural balance. Imo of course
In reply to Post #9
The way I look at it is two fold, you cannot control how much others put in, and feeding tge microorganisms etc in the lake is adding nutrients to tge ecosystem of naturals.
I suppose to an extend the carps fecal matter will do this but why not make lake friendly bait
The way I look at it is two fold, you cannot control how much others put in, and feeding tge microorganisms etc in the lake is adding nutrients to tge ecosystem of naturals.
I suppose to an extend the carps fecal matter will do this but why not make lake friendly bait
In reply to Post #10
Lake friendly bait is all well and good mate. But it should be applied at the expense of the owner of the fish, I go to catch them not feed and fatten somebody else's assets to increase the value of them as angling targets.
I get your point and wouldn't expect anyone in this section to agree with me but I don't feel obliged to give anything back
Lake friendly bait is all well and good mate. But it should be applied at the expense of the owner of the fish, I go to catch them not feed and fatten somebody else's assets to increase the value of them as angling targets.
I get your point and wouldn't expect anyone in this section to agree with me but I don't feel obliged to give anything back
In reply to Post #11
Im not considering it a favour to the lake owner, more my individual responsibility to treat every bit of land or water I use, my own or otherwise, with the respect I feel it deserves.
Especially considering the fish we catch go through a trauma and may not feed for a few weeks, providing a nutrient and naturals rich environment in which to recover / pre feed is in my opinion advantageous.
I see your stance but if down to lake owners you get some fairly shoddy bait being bought in as lake feed bait and less than 4 quid a kilo.
Im not considering it a favour to the lake owner, more my individual responsibility to treat every bit of land or water I use, my own or otherwise, with the respect I feel it deserves.
Especially considering the fish we catch go through a trauma and may not feed for a few weeks, providing a nutrient and naturals rich environment in which to recover / pre feed is in my opinion advantageous.
I see your stance but if down to lake owners you get some fairly shoddy bait being bought in as lake feed bait and less than 4 quid a kilo.
In reply to Post #12
Likewise, I see your point mate. But the fish will have been reared on pellets and lake owners happily supplement angler's bait with pellet (formulated to meet their requirements anyway), maize etc. that's cheaper than £4 a kilo.
Gram for gram some people are paying more to feed fish they may never catch than their own children
I don't go knocking on doors where I know the kids have had turkey twizzlers and chips for dinner to supplement it with vegetable and lentil curry or a stew, because it's not my responsibility.
I believe your intentions are honourable, but 99% of people want to establish a bait to be more successful at catching them rather than out of concern for the fish.
I don't expect public support for my point from anyone profiting from bait, but it's a complete swizz if we're honest.. it also creates a false sense of achievement for anglers and lake owners, undermining nature and having fish comparable to the likes of the mere, Cassien etc. in waters that couldn't support them otherwise.
Likewise, I see your point mate. But the fish will have been reared on pellets and lake owners happily supplement angler's bait with pellet (formulated to meet their requirements anyway), maize etc. that's cheaper than £4 a kilo.
Gram for gram some people are paying more to feed fish they may never catch than their own children
I don't go knocking on doors where I know the kids have had turkey twizzlers and chips for dinner to supplement it with vegetable and lentil curry or a stew, because it's not my responsibility.
I believe your intentions are honourable, but 99% of people want to establish a bait to be more successful at catching them rather than out of concern for the fish.
I don't expect public support for my point from anyone profiting from bait, but it's a complete swizz if we're honest.. it also creates a false sense of achievement for anglers and lake owners, undermining nature and having fish comparable to the likes of the mere, Cassien etc. in waters that couldn't support them otherwise.
In reply to Post #13
I'm too generous to ever consider inflicting my offspring upon humanity.
I'm too generous to ever consider inflicting my offspring upon humanity.
A club I belong to had to put bait limits on one small water due to excess rotting bait causing problems, there was some other factors but the EA said the bait was a serious issue.
Think if it's a small & popular venue it might be wise to have bait limits because many anglers bait indiscriminately & overfeed and overtime this could prove detrimental if factors collide.
Think if it's a small & popular venue it might be wise to have bait limits because many anglers bait indiscriminately & overfeed and overtime this could prove detrimental if factors collide.
i think the media gives newer caprers (im no blaming them at all) and more casual anglers the impression that you need to put 25 spombs in the lake before the fish even start feeding, look at every youtube video released by the big 3, youve got all of them rocking up with either particle - with no instructions for cooking or a huge amount of boilies and lamping it into the lake.
there's less about using a quality bait, a quality prepped particle or using the ''right amount'' of bait for the situation.
there's less about using a quality bait, a quality prepped particle or using the ''right amount'' of bait for the situation.
In reply to Post #16
The bailiffs´ job should include all of the above, both above and below the waterline, with regular dives to inspect underwater substrate. As for Youtube, leaves me flabbergasted when i see loads of carp with badly damaged mouths, gracing the banks
One would assume that the geezer pushing his barrow, loaded with 1000s of pounds worth of kit, should atleast have some common sense & etiquette, and reasonable knowledge, when it comes down to carp & watercare. Makes me wonder ... smiling, proud angler holding up a "dropsy" for the camera, makes me shudder
The bailiffs´ job should include all of the above, both above and below the waterline, with regular dives to inspect underwater substrate. As for Youtube, leaves me flabbergasted when i see loads of carp with badly damaged mouths, gracing the banks
One would assume that the geezer pushing his barrow, loaded with 1000s of pounds worth of kit, should atleast have some common sense & etiquette, and reasonable knowledge, when it comes down to carp & watercare. Makes me wonder ... smiling, proud angler holding up a "dropsy" for the camera, makes me shudder
In reply to Post #17
Well then you need to pay a team of bailiffs to undertake that work.
Diving in unclear water I disagree with, you get people in for thst or take specialist lessons
At the end of tge day a lot of bailiffs are voluntary, it's be mavolous is venues had tge funds to properly pay appropriately qualified people to manage lakes but in the U.K. atleast they are very few and far between.
Well then you need to pay a team of bailiffs to undertake that work.
Diving in unclear water I disagree with, you get people in for thst or take specialist lessons
At the end of tge day a lot of bailiffs are voluntary, it's be mavolous is venues had tge funds to properly pay appropriately qualified people to manage lakes but in the U.K. atleast they are very few and far between.
In reply to Post #17
Well then you need to pay a team of bailiffs to undertake that work.
Diving in unclear water I disagree with, you get people in for thst or take specialist lessons
At the end of tge day a lot of bailiffs are voluntary, it's be mavolous is venues had tge funds to properly pay appropriately qualified people to manage lakes but in the U.K. atleast they are very few and far between.
Well then you need to pay a team of bailiffs to undertake that work.
Diving in unclear water I disagree with, you get people in for thst or take specialist lessons
At the end of tge day a lot of bailiffs are voluntary, it's be mavolous is venues had tge funds to properly pay appropriately qualified people to manage lakes but in the U.K. atleast they are very few and far between.
In reply to Post #19
Give Hughesy a call, and he´ll clear your lake of all dropped leads, FOC 
Give Hughesy a call, and he´ll clear your lake of all dropped leads, FOC
One of my waters had a huge fish kill last year on one of the lakes, when drained the amount of bad quality in eaten rotten boilies was ridiculous I've never seen anything like it, EA came down and helped they said the unbeaten bait caused it. They have now put a limit to 2 kgs a day per angler rule now, another place I fish had banned spombing completely
In reply to Post #21
Problem might be more widespread than most are lead to believe If venues can afford to fence the whole lake, then serious attention to the underwater ecosystem should be monitored on a regular basis, without having to cost a fortune. They are protecting an investment that should be kept in tiptop condition, and definately included in the budget. 
Problem might be more widespread than most are lead to believe
If venues can afford to fence the whole lake, then serious attention to the underwater ecosystem should be monitored on a regular basis, without having to cost a fortune. They are protecting an investment that should be kept in tiptop condition, and definately included in the budget.
In reply to Post #22
Trouble is for the most part it's unseen what is happening underwater and therefor given less thought until something happens.
Trouble is for the most part it's unseen what is happening underwater and therefor given less thought until something happens.
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