I'm relatively new to carp fishing and I was wondering if anyone would be able to help me out as I have completely confused myself. I have a 10ft rod for spodding but my actual rods are 11ft would I still wrap up the rods to the same amount of wraps ? And what distance should my marker sticks be?
Any advice would be much appreciated!
Any advice would be much appreciated!
I'm relatively new to carp fishing and I was wondering if anyone would be able to help me out as I have completely confused myself. I have a 10ft rod for spodding but my actual rods are 11ft would I still wrap up the rods to the same amount of wraps ? And what distance should my marker sticks be?
Any advice would be much appreciated!
Any advice would be much appreciated!
In reply to Post #2
Distance sticks are usually set at 12ft. As long as you use the same distance sticks then it doesn't matter which rods you use the number of wraps on the distance sticks will be the same distance regardless of which rods you use.
Distance sticks are usually set at 12ft. As long as you use the same distance sticks then it doesn't matter which rods you use the number of wraps on the distance sticks will be the same distance regardless of which rods you use.
In reply to Post #2
As Mark says, just set your distance sticks up at the start of the session (doesn't matter whether 10', 11' or 12'), and measure the number of wraps around your stick, you'll be fishing at the same clipped up distance. They're usually set at 12' because (1) it's the most common rod length and (2) because it equals 4 yards exactly so it's easy to work out how far out you're fishing (eg 10 wraps is 40 yards).
Don't forget to have your rods clipped up the same as your spod rod + the water depth because the clipped up line will make your lead and hookbait swing down in an arc and land on the lake bed underneath where your spod has been landing (in theory!!)
As Mark says, just set your distance sticks up at the start of the session (doesn't matter whether 10', 11' or 12'), and measure the number of wraps around your stick, you'll be fishing at the same clipped up distance. They're usually set at 12' because (1) it's the most common rod length and (2) because it equals 4 yards exactly so it's easy to work out how far out you're fishing (eg 10 wraps is 40 yards).
Don't forget to have your rods clipped up the same as your spod rod + the water depth because the clipped up line will make your lead and hookbait swing down in an arc and land on the lake bed underneath where your spod has been landing (in theory!!)
In reply to Post #4
People always say this but if you are feeling the lead down then the swingback will be negligible. Especially at distance. In very deep water at very short range then maybe. Normal circumstances it's negligible.
People always say this but if you are feeling the lead down then the swingback will be negligible. Especially at distance. In very deep water at very short range then maybe. Normal circumstances it's negligible.
In reply to Post #2
Can always tie up a piece of paracord @ 12ft to keep the distance the same by putting your sticks through the tied loops, like below said working in 4 yards is alot easier for distance.
The old avid distance sticks have a piece of cord already attached for this reason
Can always tie up a piece of paracord @ 12ft to keep the distance the same by putting your sticks through the tied loops, like below said working in 4 yards is alot easier for distance.
The old avid distance sticks have a piece of cord already attached for this reason
You can obviously set your distance sticks at any distance you choose and as long as you use them consistently on all your rods during a session then it will work.
However a number of stick sets are sold with 12ft cords and I think most people who blog, vlog and write about fishing seem to use 12ft as a standard. If we are going to use wraps to give information to other people we need to set a standard and I will stick to 12ft.
25 13ft wraps is108yds 1ft
25 12 ft wraps is 100yds
25 10ft wraps is 83yds 1ft
25 9ft wraps is 75 yds
Total chaos. Let's stick to 12ft.
Very flattering to use 6ft wraps and " give it the big one" and blast out your baits 40 wraps for an eye watering 80 yds.
A wrap is 12 ft.
However a number of stick sets are sold with 12ft cords and I think most people who blog, vlog and write about fishing seem to use 12ft as a standard. If we are going to use wraps to give information to other people we need to set a standard and I will stick to 12ft.
25 13ft wraps is108yds 1ft
25 12 ft wraps is 100yds
25 10ft wraps is 83yds 1ft
25 9ft wraps is 75 yds
Total chaos. Let's stick to 12ft.
Very flattering to use 6ft wraps and " give it the big one" and blast out your baits 40 wraps for an eye watering 80 yds.
A wrap is 12 ft.
In reply to Post #2
It doesn't matter what distance you set your sticks at as long as it's the same every time. If your spod rod is 1ft shorter just add an extra foot when you wrap it up.
It doesn't matter what distance you set your sticks at as long as it's the same every time. If your spod rod is 1ft shorter just add an extra foot when you wrap it up.
In reply to Post #1
Best thing to do is either let your tomatoes grow up them or chuck them in the frikkiin bin.
Find the fish...cast to the fish...catch the fish
Best thing to do is either let your tomatoes grow up them or chuck them in the frikkiin bin.
Find the fish...cast to the fish...catch the fish
In reply to Post #8
Why would you do that?
Why would you do that?
In reply to Post #9
never
never
In reply to Post #10
because its a foot shorter
because its a foot shorter
In reply to Post #12
Are you saying that if you set your sticks up at 12 ft that you would add a foot to every wrap if your rod is 11ft?
Once you have decided on the length of your wrap you can use it with any length of rod. Ten 12ft wraps are 120 ft or 40 yds whether you use 15 ft rods or 6ft rods or anything in between
Is there something I'm missing here?
Are you saying that if you set your sticks up at 12 ft that you would add a foot to every wrap if your rod is 11ft?
Once you have decided on the length of your wrap you can use it with any length of rod. Ten 12ft wraps are 120 ft or 40 yds whether you use 15 ft rods or 6ft rods or anything in between
Is there something I'm missing here?
In reply to Post #13
120 ft from the tip of a 6ft rod is different to 120 ft from the tip of a 15 ft rod. You'd be out by 9 ft.
Edit: I think that's right anyway. I'm losing my mind thinking about it tbh.
120 ft from the tip of a 6ft rod is different to 120 ft from the tip of a 15 ft rod. You'd be out by 9 ft.
Edit: I think that's right anyway. I'm losing my mind thinking about it tbh.
In reply to Post #14
The measurement is not from top of the rod but from the clip on the reel
The measurement is not from top of the rod but from the clip on the reel
In reply to Post #15
I'm going mental just thinking about this
I see what you're saying but struggling to get my head round it.
We clip up when the rod tip reaches the required number of wraps (that's where I'm getting my datum rightly or wrongly). So the measurement of X # of wraps plus the distance to the clip is different on a 6 ft rod than a 15 ft rod no?
I'm going mental just thinking about this
I see what you're saying but struggling to get my head round it.
We clip up when the rod tip reaches the required number of wraps (that's where I'm getting my datum rightly or wrongly). So the measurement of X # of wraps plus the distance to the clip is different on a 6 ft rod than a 15 ft rod no?
In reply to Post #16
You're right mate as you don't wrap the actual rod around the sticks ,so the distance wrapped is from tip to lead not clip to lead
You're right mate as you don't wrap the actual rod around the sticks ,so the distance wrapped is from tip to lead not clip to lead
The length of the rod being used to cast is utterly irrelevant. If one hundred or one million anglers all using different gear put 25 12ft wraps on the reel and clip up and then cast and hit the clip properly to get the lead down on a tight line they will all cast 100yds plus one rod length measured from where they are standing to the lead. No more. Work it out yourself.
In reply to Post #18
But hitting the clip with the rod vertical like most do ,the length of the blank will make a difference. Not a lot,but a difference for sure.the wrapped distance is of course the same
But hitting the clip with the rod vertical like most do ,the length of the blank will make a difference. Not a lot,but a difference for sure.the wrapped distance is of course the same
In reply to Post #19
Exactly. The wrapped distance remains the same. Controlling the variables is the skill in achieving real accuracy.
Exactly. The wrapped distance remains the same. Controlling the variables is the skill in achieving real accuracy.
In reply to Post #20
Yes, so by adding or subtracting from the clipped distance is how that is achievable. Although sometimes I think being mega accurate with spods etc can work against you
Yes, so by adding or subtracting from the clipped distance is how that is achievable. Although sometimes I think being mega accurate with spods etc can work against you
I think the length of the rod does make a difference however slight it may be, the total clipped distance as someone has mentioned is to the clip on the reel, so with a longer rod you will still have the same amount of line from rod tip wrapped around sticks as you would with a shorter rod but with a longer rod (depending on reel seat position) more line could be out.
If the standing position of the cast was the same position a longer rod would cast slightly further in most cases it would be irrelevant but on the example below comparing a 6ft rod to a 15ft rod, if the 6ft rod was clipped to cast tight to a treeline then the same number of wraps on the longer rod could well hit the tree line unless standing position of cast was changed
If the standing position of the cast was the same position a longer rod would cast slightly further in most cases it would be irrelevant but on the example below comparing a 6ft rod to a 15ft rod, if the 6ft rod was clipped to cast tight to a treeline then the same number of wraps on the longer rod could well hit the tree line unless standing position of cast was changed
In reply to Post #18
they will all cast 100yds plus one rod length .
So how can rod length be irrelevant? A 6ft and a 15ft rod makes a difference no?
The OP is asking 10 vs 11 (which imo is genuinely irrelevant) but same principle.
Edit: I dont think there is a "normal" method of feeling the lead down guys. I keep my rod high, my pal let's it hit low and follows it down. But I agree that taking all this into account is what makes you accurate.
they will all cast 100yds plus one rod length .
So how can rod length be irrelevant? A 6ft and a 15ft rod makes a difference no?
The OP is asking 10 vs 11 (which imo is genuinely irrelevant) but same principle.
Edit: I dont think there is a "normal" method of feeling the lead down guys. I keep my rod high, my pal let's it hit low and follows it down. But I agree that taking all this into account is what makes you accurate.
It's pointless arguing over a couple of feet difference from the length of the rod, because the line stretch will vary from cast to cast, as will the bend in the rod. I defy anyone to cast accurately repeatedly down to 1ft.
In reply to Post #24
No one arguing mate. I'm chuckling at myself for not getting head round it.
But I agree with stretch etc that it's not possible to get it on a bin lid. That said, isn't that all the more reason to consider this stuff?
No one arguing mate. I'm chuckling at myself for not getting head round it.
But I agree with stretch etc that it's not possible to get it on a bin lid. That said, isn't that all the more reason to consider this stuff?
In reply to Post #24
Couldn't agree more. There is an awful lot of tosh spouted about casting.
Couldn't agree more. There is an awful lot of tosh spouted about casting.
Anywhere in the same postcode is near enough for me.
In reply to Post #25
I have 12'6 rods and 12ft Spod and this did have me thinking a lot more then i should of, to get my head around it.
Concluded that when i wrapped up my rods i would be 6" past my marker spot - I tell myself this is ok as a buffer for line stretch and bouncing on the clip a touch etc. As long as i feel it down the same I'm happy.
I have 12'6 rods and 12ft Spod and this did have me thinking a lot more then i should of, to get my head around it.
Concluded that when i wrapped up my rods i would be 6" past my marker spot - I tell myself this is ok as a buffer for line stretch and bouncing on the clip a touch etc. As long as i feel it down the same I'm happy.
In reply to Post #28
I remember last time this came up thinking I'm glad all my rods are the same length
I remember last time this came up thinking I'm glad all my rods are the same length
In reply to Post #29
Youd love fishing me for a season , i use a 10 foot marker rod and a 12 foot marker and 12,6 inch casting rods most of the time. I sometimes write stuff down , most of the time not. I do ponder these things sometimes but i generally fish a vicinity i like to call it rather than than a tight spot. Amazingly i catch my fair share . Ive been fishing the same lake for a few years now so i can remember areas in swims or even look in my vague scribbles but the weed growth means that clear spots change an awful lot unless they are baited permanently. So for me to be confident i need to have a little lead about every time....
Youd love fishing me for a season , i use a 10 foot marker rod and a 12 foot marker and 12,6 inch casting rods most of the time. I sometimes write stuff down , most of the time not. I do ponder these things sometimes but i generally fish a vicinity i like to call it rather than than a tight spot. Amazingly i catch my fair share . Ive been fishing the same lake for a few years now so i can remember areas in swims or even look in my vague scribbles but the weed growth means that clear spots change an awful lot unless they are baited permanently. So for me to be confident i need to have a little lead about every time....
In reply to Post #29
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