Regular Sense Appeal.
I used to use Rod's and later to a lesser extent Nash versions.
What were these based on?
Is there any modern day equivalent?
I used to use Rod's and later to a lesser extent Nash versions.
What were these based on?
Is there any modern day equivalent?
In reply to Post #1
Try Catchit labs
Try Catchit labs
In reply to Post #1
I believe the original was some sort of Greyhound supplement used to come in them small dosing bottles.
I believe the original was some sort of Greyhound supplement used to come in them small dosing bottles.
In reply to Post #3
Whatever it was it worked, enybody remember Rods appetite stimulator the fish one, another good ingredient
Whatever it was it worked, enybody remember Rods appetite stimulator the fish one, another good ingredient
In reply to Post #1
The actual product Rod used and sold is available if you know what to look for.
The actual product Rod used and sold is available if you know what to look for.
In reply to Post #5
Might that be a product listed by the company mentioned below?
Might that be a product listed by the company mentioned below?
In reply to Post #6
Not from Catchit Labs.
Not from Catchit Labs.
In reply to Post #1
Sense Appeal or Liverade (tradename) in its original form is a very highly concentrated liquid. I still used to be able to buy it a few years ago but I have completely forgot the company I purchased it from. It came in aluminium flasks and had to watered down with propylene glycol and water to the correct strength. I also remember getting a lovely cheese one from them as well.
Sense Appeal or Liverade (tradename) in its original form is a very highly concentrated liquid. I still used to be able to buy it a few years ago but I have completely forgot the company I purchased it from. It came in aluminium flasks and had to watered down with propylene glycol and water to the correct strength. I also remember getting a lovely cheese one from them as well.
In reply to Post #6
It comes from the same supplier that Rod used., it is not a copy.
It comes from the same supplier that Rod used., it is not a copy.
In reply to Post #8
That is not the product that Rod sold as Sense Appeal .
That is not the product that Rod sold as Sense Appeal .
In reply to Post #10
Can you on not just say rather than speaking in riddles?
Can you on not just say rather than speaking in riddles?
In reply to Post #1
What is really interesting is that the bit that is the main Fish attractor in Sense Appeal is the bit in the Goo that is not mentioned ,the dye catches the punter and the other bit catches the Fish, nothing new Rod knew about it years ago.
What is really interesting is that the bit that is the main Fish attractor in Sense Appeal is the bit in the Goo that is not mentioned ,the dye catches the punter and the other bit catches the Fish, nothing new Rod knew about it years ago.
Simon at QB has a version of it
In reply to Post #12
so the bit in the goo is the best bit
so the bit in the goo is the best bit
In reply to Post #18
Reminds me of the sketch in Little Britain with the character 'Ray McCooney', 'riddle me this....'
Reminds me of the sketch in Little Britain with the character 'Ray McCooney', 'riddle me this....'
In reply to Post #19
I'm hard yet soft, I am coloured yet clear, I am fruity and sweet, I am jelly... what am I?
I'm hard yet soft, I am coloured yet clear, I am fruity and sweet, I am jelly... what am I?
In reply to Post #20
I´m hard yet soft, I am coloured yet clear, I am fruity and sweet, I am jelly... what am I?
Every carps worst nightmare
I go in hard.
I come out soft.
You blow me hard.
What am I?
I´m hard yet soft, I am coloured yet clear, I am fruity and sweet, I am jelly... what am I?
Every carps worst nightmare
I go in hard.
I come out soft.
You blow me hard.
What am I?
In reply to Post #8
Liverade...Now there was a great flavour. It might not have been Sense Appeal as has been posted but Rod used to sell it out of the boot of his motor in the Savay car park. The Savay connection was important if you wanted to get on it . Most of the Looney Rota and a fair few Toads got in it, and my mate Speedy got me a couple of litres. Boy! did it ever put fish on the bank. Old timers on here may recall an Angling Times headline along the lines of, "Huge Mirror for Keith" (a Harrow 43lb mirror for Keith the Tooth). There was also a splash sub head saying, "there's a bigger one inside". It was a middle double page splash of Ritchie's capture of Basil at 45lb and ounces. I could be wrong (but I bet I am not) that both fish fell to Liverade. Wish I could get hold of it now!
Liverade...Now there was a great flavour. It might not have been Sense Appeal as has been posted but Rod used to sell it out of the boot of his motor in the Savay car park. The Savay connection was important if you wanted to get on it . Most of the Looney Rota and a fair few Toads got in it, and my mate Speedy got me a couple of litres. Boy! did it ever put fish on the bank. Old timers on here may recall an Angling Times headline along the lines of, "Huge Mirror for Keith" (a Harrow 43lb mirror for Keith the Tooth). There was also a splash sub head saying, "there's a bigger one inside". It was a middle double page splash of Ritchie's capture of Basil at 45lb and ounces. I could be wrong (but I bet I am not) that both fish fell to Liverade. Wish I could get hold of it now!
In reply to Post #22
https://www.catchitlabs.co.uk/product/liverade-sense-appeal/
Pretty much tells you what Sense appeal was I'd imagine..
https://www.catchitlabs.co.uk/product/liverade-sense-appeal/
Pretty much tells you what Sense appeal was I'd imagine..
In reply to Post #23
Don't think it's the same as the original which I believe was from a company called Feed Flavours, an agri business, as were many sources back in the day.
That said, I have just ordered a litre, co if it is the same we used to use it at 25ml/10oz mix!
Don't think it's the same as the original which I believe was from a company called Feed Flavours, an agri business, as were many sources back in the day.
That said, I have just ordered a litre, co if it is the same we used to use it at 25ml/10oz mix!
In reply to Post #22
Remember Ritchie and the adverts saying it caught it on Protein mix & Pukka Salmon, no mention of Liverade, probably still on the secret list at the time
Remember Ritchie and the adverts saying it caught it on Protein mix & Pukka Salmon, no mention of Liverade, probably still on the secret list at the time
In reply to Post #24
Think the fella that runs Catchit used to be Nashys in house flavourist before going it alone.
Think the fella that runs Catchit used to be Nashys in house flavourist before going it alone.
In reply to Post #24
Be very interested to hear what you think of it when it arrives Ken. Appreciate the proof's in the pudding (i.e. you'd have to use it for a real test) but be interested in your first impressions
Be very interested to hear what you think of it when it arrives Ken. Appreciate the proof's in the pudding (i.e. you'd have to use it for a real test) but be interested in your first impressions
In reply to Post #24
Liveade was discontinued last year due to EU regs, unfortunately.
Liveade was discontinued last year due to EU regs, unfortunately.
In reply to Post #24
It's more like a flavour. I bought 100 mil to see what it's like. The recommended dosages are very similar to that of a flavour, definitely not 25mil per mix!
It's more like a flavour. I bought 100 mil to see what it's like. The recommended dosages are very similar to that of a flavour, definitely not 25mil per mix!
In reply to Post #29
You can still buy regular and shellfish sense appeal from Hutchy stockists.
You can still buy regular and shellfish sense appeal from Hutchy stockists.
Braggs liquid aminos was mentioned a long while ago on here, as being similar to regular sense appeal, how true this was is anyone's guess!
In reply to Post #30
But is it the same?
But is it the same?
In reply to Post #31
Think Braggs is a Soya based product where Sense appeal was more meat based.
Think Braggs is a Soya based product where Sense appeal was more meat based.
In reply to Post #32
I honestly don't know.. but I'll see if I can find out..
I honestly don't know.. but I'll see if I can find out..
I was hoping Sealine was going to come good and spill the beans on where to get it, I would dearly love to get my hands on some.. I do use the RH shellfish sense appeal in one of my baits, which I prefer to the catchit and feedstim versions, and i do use it at very high levels so get through quite a lot (hookbaits only)..
In reply to Post #35
Spoken with someone that works for Hutchy (Not just sponsored!) And he says it's as close as they can get to the original, but changes in law/ regulations means it's not the same
Spoken with someone that works for Hutchy (Not just sponsored!) And he says it's as close as they can get to the original, but changes in law/ regulations means it's not the same
In reply to Post #29
So, the Catchit Liverade/Sense Appeal certainly isn't the same as the original Liverade nor is it anything like Sense Appeal as I remember it. The smell (to a human!) is quite underwhelming and the taste is quite sharp, lingering on the tongue for some time. I am not sure if this is a liquid food or a pure flavour. I haven't tested the pH but I amguessing it is quite acidic as there is a slight loss of sensation on tongue and lips. (OK, I know we're not supposed to taste it but I give every liquid attitive/attractor the taste test).
All in all, first impressions are not 'oh wow that's sensational'. However, I have left the bottle open on my desk as I am typing this and there is a definite meaty, liver-y sort of smell wafting about...which I guess isn't the most conclusive of tests!
I guess the proof will be in the baiting but initially an additive has to instill confience in me right from the off, and this one doesn't do that. Time will tell.
So, the Catchit Liverade/Sense Appeal certainly isn't the same as the original Liverade nor is it anything like Sense Appeal as I remember it. The smell (to a human!) is quite underwhelming and the taste is quite sharp, lingering on the tongue for some time. I am not sure if this is a liquid food or a pure flavour. I haven't tested the pH but I amguessing it is quite acidic as there is a slight loss of sensation on tongue and lips. (OK, I know we're not supposed to taste it but I give every liquid attitive/attractor the taste test).
All in all, first impressions are not 'oh wow that's sensational'. However, I have left the bottle open on my desk as I am typing this and there is a definite meaty, liver-y sort of smell wafting about...which I guess isn't the most conclusive of tests!
I guess the proof will be in the baiting but initially an additive has to instill confience in me right from the off, and this one doesn't do that. Time will tell.
Used to use hutchies amino blend supreme (abs) which I found to be a fantastic addition to meaty/fishmeal baits. Similar to modern day versions of sense appeal the copies are not a touch on the original due to EU laws and certain ingredients being banned!!
In reply to Post #36
Good to know Apples, it certainly seems closer from my memory to the original and to be fair it gets plenty of bites which at the end of the day is all that counts..
Good to know Apples, it certainly seems closer from my memory to the original and to be fair it gets plenty of bites which at the end of the day is all that counts..
is the catchit Shellfish SA the same or near the original RH?
Ive got the one from Feedstim and its good but not the same as the original
Ive got the one from Feedstim and its good but not the same as the original
In reply to Post #17
i have a bottle of the quality baits Sense appeal smells funky
not sure on dosage as it doesnt come with any guidelines
i have a bottle of the quality baits Sense appeal smells funky
not sure on dosage as it doesnt come with any guidelines
In reply to Post #41
I wasn't aware that QB sold a sense appeal equivalent, they have a product, LiquiStim, that is supposed to be the same as the CC Moore Feedstim XP, I doubt it is a direct copy but both to my nose are based on Braggs Aminos which you can buy from Holland and Barrett.
I wasn't aware that QB sold a sense appeal equivalent, they have a product, LiquiStim, that is supposed to be the same as the CC Moore Feedstim XP, I doubt it is a direct copy but both to my nose are based on Braggs Aminos which you can buy from Holland and Barrett.
In reply to Post #1
Not sure there is a modern equivalent, once certain ingredients are removed or changed they never seem the same.
I used to love some of the flavours & additives that Rod Hutchinson sold but when things changed I left them well alone and moved onto to other ideas.
Not sure there is a modern equivalent, once certain ingredients are removed or changed they never seem the same.
I used to love some of the flavours & additives that Rod Hutchinson sold but when things changed I left them well alone and moved onto to other ideas.
In reply to Post #40
Cannot answer your question re the catchit SSA, but I've been playing around with some flavours and I have come up with a combination that smells very similar to the last but one version of the Nash SSA, the last one that included liverade on the ingredients list.
I used 50% catchit liverade sense appeal, 30% catchit monster crab and 20% premier baits prawn
It's not a perfect match, but I think it is close enough. On the grounds I'm down to my last bottle of the Nash SSA it's soon going to be all I have.
Cannot answer your question re the catchit SSA, but I've been playing around with some flavours and I have come up with a combination that smells very similar to the last but one version of the Nash SSA, the last one that included liverade on the ingredients list.
I used 50% catchit liverade sense appeal, 30% catchit monster crab and 20% premier baits prawn
It's not a perfect match, but I think it is close enough. On the grounds I'm down to my last bottle of the Nash SSA it's soon going to be all I have.
In reply to Post #41
Sense appeal as sold By Rod was not a flavour, it is a supplement/attractor liquid ,Rod did not make it he purchased and then bottled and sold it ,to increase its attraction to customers, he added flavours and created different versions.
Unless you know what the base liquid was to start with to which to add the different flavours too, a flavour company is not likely to produce the original product or anything on the same lines. AS it is not a flavour or designated a flavour all of the original ingredients are present as they were when Rod discovered this very attractive (to carp ) liquid
If you know what the base liquid is you have the means to supply it to any one interested to make what ever version they like.
How did Simon find out what the liquid is ? Where it comes from? Is his business.
Qualitybaits have it on their web site very attractively priced.
Sense appeal as sold By Rod was not a flavour, it is a supplement/attractor liquid ,Rod did not make it he purchased and then bottled and sold it ,to increase its attraction to customers, he added flavours and created different versions.
Unless you know what the base liquid was to start with to which to add the different flavours too, a flavour company is not likely to produce the original product or anything on the same lines. AS it is not a flavour or designated a flavour all of the original ingredients are present as they were when Rod discovered this very attractive (to carp ) liquid
If you know what the base liquid is you have the means to supply it to any one interested to make what ever version they like.
How did Simon find out what the liquid is ? Where it comes from? Is his business.
Qualitybaits have it on their web site very attractively priced.
In reply to Post #44
Being an avid fan of shellfish sense appeal for decades, now that the Nash, Hutchy and Catchit ones seem to be nothing like the original, I stumbled upon, believe it or not and don't shoot me down, Nutrabaits Crab flavour! Now I know this is sold purely as a flavour rather than a liquid food, but if you're after the actual smell, trust me this is identical, to my nose anyway. So much so, I now have 5 bottles of it in the cupboard!
Being an avid fan of shellfish sense appeal for decades, now that the Nash, Hutchy and Catchit ones seem to be nothing like the original, I stumbled upon, believe it or not and don't shoot me down, Nutrabaits Crab flavour! Now I know this is sold purely as a flavour rather than a liquid food, but if you're after the actual smell, trust me this is identical, to my nose anyway. So much so, I now have 5 bottles of it in the cupboard!
In reply to Post #46
Interesting, none of the crab flavours I've tried, not many actually, have smelt like the SSA, although I have smelt one a friend had was similar but the guy didn't know who sold it him.
I think sealine is correct it was originally a liquid food with a little flavour, anecdotally that liquid was liverade, which I tend to believe because Nash included it on the ingredients list on the labels of the later square bottles.
The last version just listed liver and crab flavours but it still worked for me hence why I thought I would try and copy it.
Thanks for the tip, I will have to see if I can get some of the nutrabaits crab
Interesting, none of the crab flavours I've tried, not many actually, have smelt like the SSA, although I have smelt one a friend had was similar but the guy didn't know who sold it him.
I think sealine is correct it was originally a liquid food with a little flavour, anecdotally that liquid was liverade, which I tend to believe because Nash included it on the ingredients list on the labels of the later square bottles.
The last version just listed liver and crab flavours but it still worked for me hence why I thought I would try and copy it.
Thanks for the tip, I will have to see if I can get some of the nutrabaits crab
In reply to Post #41
Apologies I've just been on the QB Web site and they do sell sense appeal alternatives, never seen those on there before, I'll definitely have to try some next time I order.
From memory the dose for Rods original regular sense appeal was up to 10ml per six eggs but it is a long time since I picked up a bottle.
Apologies I've just been on the QB Web site and they do sell sense appeal alternatives, never seen those on there before, I'll definitely have to try some next time I order.
From memory the dose for Rods original regular sense appeal was up to 10ml per six eggs but it is a long time since I picked up a bottle.
Anyone been using the Quailty Baits Shellfish sense appeal? How would you rate it compared to the original? 3ml of that and 7ml of regular was a classic combo.
In reply to Post #49
Have a read of the Catchit labs monster crab thread. Some info on it there as it went a bit off topic lol
Have a read of the Catchit labs monster crab thread. Some info on it there as it went a bit off topic lol
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