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Is liquid worth it? (32 posts / 6,612 views)
AlexFisher
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Post #1 30 Mar 2021 18:16
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Ive seen a few people soaking there boilies and pop ups in liquid. Does this actually make a difference and attract more carp or is it just a marketing ploy?

Has anyone started doing this and seen results?
CV-Deano
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Post #2 30 Mar 2021 18:26
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I suspect youll get people saying it's a waste of time and people saying it works in equal measure.

The truth is probably somewhere in the middle. Like any method/tactic I'm sure there will be times it will work in your favour and equally times it will work against you or at best make no difference at all. Remember it's in bait companies best interests to tell you it's the best thing since sliced bread to sell more product.

My advice is try it for yourself on your own waters and judge for yourself.
Hadrian
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Post #3 30 Mar 2021 19:18
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Alex, ignore what you see and read online... go out and be your own trail blazer.. We can tell you are keen but no amount of internet “guff” will ever make up for time on the bank. Get out there, try something, make the odd mistake along the way, but learn from it and improve, if needs be come back here for advice...
Most of the guys on here grew up pre internet, you either saw what others did, heard a rumour or read it once in a while in a magazine. Go fishing and leave the keyboard alone, we all made mistakes, had **** gear but still caught, get out there mate... the best thing in a carpers armoury is time spent on the bank, whether fishing or just looking.
AaronB1992 AaronB1992
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Post #4 30 Mar 2021 19:21
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Beat advice given yet 👍👌
Ozzywelshborn Ozzywelshborn
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Post #5 30 Mar 2021 20:00
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So true good advice
AlexFisher
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Post #6 30 Mar 2021 20:08
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Very true
AlexFisher
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Post #7 30 Mar 2021 20:10
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I am going fishing shortly. Just waiting on new kit to arrive which will enable me to go night fishing for the first time.
JamieH
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Post #8 30 Mar 2021 20:10
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Probably the best bit of advice I have seen in a long time.
Frenzy Frenzy
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Post #9 30 Mar 2021 20:27
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perfect reply
Hadrian
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Post #10 30 Mar 2021 20:51
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Stick to one type of bait, fish a pop up, wafter and bottom bait on each rod, keep baiting just enough to get a bite, find the fish either by sight etc or asking around, get your bait to them without causing too much fuss and I'll guarantee you will catch mate. All the gear is great and makes time spent on the bank enjoyable but it doesn't put fish on the bank. Try, try and try even harder, nothing comes to the lazy. Keep looking, listening and look some more. If you think you are in the wrong spot, you are, move.
I've just spent 2 days working down on my water I could have fished but didn't fancy it, only 2 guys fishing, neither had caught, I had to drag one down to the back bay with a rod to show him where the fish were... we were both in awe of well over a dozen fish to 30 plus feeding on bait in 18” of water 2 foot from the bank, that's what fishing is all about, we were both like kids squealing, stifling gasps etc
Did he catch one? ,yes and no, hooked one eventually and lost it, I will say, I don't use Ronnies and after seeing one fish mouth his bait multiple times I won't be anytime soon...
Feel free to ignore or accept my mutterings, but above all else enjoy and if in doubt ask! 👍
AlexFisher
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Post #11 30 Mar 2021 21:42
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Very true. You can have all the gear and knowledge in the world but if your not in the right spot that counts for nothing. Location, location, location.
AlexFisher
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Post #12 30 Mar 2021 22:32
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I completely agree with what your saying, and trust me, I am trying to fish as much as I possibly can in this current climate. From the little time I have spent on the bank I feel that I already learned possibly the two most important aspects of carp fishing: Location and time of day are paramount.

Only from studying another angler on my water have I learnt that a lot of the carp are tucked away in the margins under an overhanging tree and they are only feeding after 6pm, when the light starts fading. With this knowledge, I have decided my best option would be overnight fishing, hence why I am asking all the overnight gear questions.

As I'm sure you will understand, carp fishing is very expensive and there is an absolute minefield of products out there. I obviously don't have the liberty, nor money, to try most of these products out in the field which is why I have come to this forum to hear people opinions on what is worth while and what isn't. The money that is saved on unnecessary products will only go towards paying for time on the bank. That is my view.

But I get your point entirely. Less talky talky. More fishy fishy
Hadrian
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Post #13 31 Mar 2021 03:14
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I totally understand where you are coming from with regards gear, buy the best you can with current resources most definitely but don't let the gear dictate how you fish. As I alluded to a lot of guys myself included will have done nights using far worse gear than we have now in the past, but we suffered because of the passion that is carping, it's not about umpteen different pop ups, stickered up buckets, repping brands and etched kettles, it's about the fish, the drive and the things/people you witness along the way....
I'm 100% certain those fish will be feeding elsewhere at other times of the day or night. That overhanging tree spot might start producing at first light etc or stop producing altogether due to pressure... it might be that the other angler refreshes his rods at a certain time, causes disturbance and the fish only move back to feed at 6pm? All things to bare in mind, I wish you well mate, get out and catch ‘em, and keep us updated as to how you get on. H
TheVicar TheVicar
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Post #14 31 Mar 2021 07:56
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Canalcarper71 Canalcarper71
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Post #15 31 Mar 2021 08:48
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I put liquid in my bags and even on the outside of the bags I just feel the more attraction in the water the more confidence I have,but then I'm not casting bags out I'm dropping them in the edge of the canal.
snapper1 snapper1
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Post #16 31 Mar 2021 10:42
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What he said
Joe101
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Post #17 31 Mar 2021 12:20
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Said it many times, if you're using a good bait, it doesn't need additives, liquids or powders. I don't want all my free offerings ‘booming' with over concentrated flavouring. A quality bait is good out the bag. I give some of my pop ups a little boost, if they happen to come with a pot of liquid, if I want anything to have attraction, it's the one on the end of my rod.
AlexFisher
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Post #18 31 Mar 2021 14:01
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Interesting.
ip100 ip100
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Post #19 31 Mar 2021 14:45
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And true...
Spike Spike
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Post #20 31 Mar 2021 16:36
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So how about a liquid within a bait while it's being made.

I see john baker says a bait doesn't need liquid if the basemix is good. Do they improve a bait though or is to much lost during the boiling process.

I always like to add it for confidence but couldnt say if it's caught me more or less
bigjim001 bigjim001
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Post #21 31 Mar 2021 18:25
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Best Post on this thread
redduke redduke
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Post #22 31 Mar 2021 20:30
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Completely agree.....
Richpp1989 Richpp1989
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Post #23 31 Mar 2021 20:55
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I do pre soak my boilies and coat them in powder, does it make a difference? I dunno but I believe it does mate, it gives me so much more confidence when I fish with it. But one thing I do see a lot of people do is put the liquid in with the boilie 5 minutes before they put the bait out to me I think this is a complete waste of time and will wash off as soon as it hits the water, I pre soak mine at least a week before.

Best thing I can say is find a bait your confident In and stick to it bud and try not confuse it to much by taking loads of different pots of hookbaits, I've done this In the past infact I suspect most have but I now only take 4 pots with me that's it
AlexFisher
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Post #24 31 Mar 2021 21:18
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I'd love for someone to actually test the effects of using boilies both with and without liquid in a controlled test where all the variables are kept the same.
scozza
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Post #25 1 Apr 2021 08:11
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How about one on either rod on the same spot?

As already mentioned, the only person you need to convince is yourself

ip100 ip100
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Post #26 1 Apr 2021 08:17
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Where there are live animals involved you can't really control the variables . Liquids do work , as do powders. But a good bait shouldn't need them!
keeperboy
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Post #27 1 Apr 2021 20:07
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In reply to Post #24
I have
AlexFisher
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Post #28 1 Apr 2021 20:08
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And what did you conclude?
keeperboy
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Post #29 1 Apr 2021 21:54
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Well, basically liquids are probably more important than even we realise. Hydro liquids such as shrimp, krill, salmon, calanus are in my opinion the biggest edge in bait production. Several years ago we tested a red fishmeal boilie that was very well put together with very nice ingredients. The base contained hydro shrimp extract. When fed to the carp in a tank the response was very very positive to the point that the fish farmer said it was one of the best responses he had seen. The really interesting part was that the fish in the tank next door (not being fed) were immediately drawn to the drain cover where the water from the tank being fed is exhausted through. The fish in the tank next door were mouthing the grill as they could taste the bait being eaten by their brothers and sisters 3 metres away behind a block wall! I will not make a bait without liquids!!
And in their pure form they are a game changer. But remember that you can't just pour any old crap over a rubbish bait and expect to catch a pb every time. The bait needs to be attractive and digestible in the first place. The flavours used in baits are the last thing to worry about in my opinion 😉
MARKerz
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Post #30 2 Apr 2021 08:05
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In reply to Post #29
Agreed, liquids are massive for me, in as much to say that when I was making my own bait the bait would be formulated around the liquid.
As said though decent bait should catch without having to coat the baits with all sorts.
AlexFisher
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Post #31 2 Apr 2021 10:40
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In reply to Post #29
Who's we? Was this an independent study or do you work for a bait company?
KenTownley KenTownley
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Post #32 2 Apr 2021 11:03
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CLICK HERE! Look at the video posted by Viking. It may help

LINK to Sturla's other vids...Very interesting.
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