What are peoples thoughts on this range? Looking for some longer term users. I've read plenty of posts from when the bait was first launched but haven't read much since.
Looking at a multitude of new bait options for next year but have had to move away from freezer baits due to a lack of space so require a reliable shelf life bait.
I much prefer softer baits so what shelf life boilies have people found to be particularly soft. For additional info I'm coming of CCMoore Live System which i struggled with in all honesty and i found quite firm for a fresh bait. I actually chucked what i had left because i had little confidence left in it.
Looking at a multitude of new bait options for next year but have had to move away from freezer baits due to a lack of space so require a reliable shelf life bait.
I much prefer softer baits so what shelf life boilies have people found to be particularly soft. For additional info I'm coming of CCMoore Live System which i struggled with in all honesty and i found quite firm for a fresh bait. I actually chucked what i had left because i had little confidence left in it.
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Although I'm only in my first season of use, so I can't give you a long term review. I've been more than happy with the shelflife DNA range. The three I've used nutta, slk and s7 are all soft.
Although I'm only in my first season of use, so I can't give you a long term review. I've been more than happy with the shelflife DNA range. The three I've used nutta, slk and s7 are all soft.
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Thanks. DNA S7 shelflife is high on my list of possibilities.
Thanks. DNA S7 shelflife is high on my list of possibilities.
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Have used DNA Baits S7 & SLK this year, I've found the SLK to be slightly softer than the S7.
Baitworks Atlantic Heat was reasonably soft also.
Have used DNA Baits S7 & SLK this year, I've found the SLK to be slightly softer than the S7.
Baitworks Atlantic Heat was reasonably soft also.
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Complex T was specifically designed as a soft soluble high quality bait that is easily digestible all year round. Although it is primarily a fishmeal (LT94,Antartic Krill meal) it has some superb highly soluble liquid foods and attractants and contains a unique cool water feed trigger put together and supplied exclusively to Dynamite for the past decade or more.
The shelflife variety differs from the freezer bait only by the addition of a food grade stabiliser.
I use nothing else these days. (sometimes mix a little Monster Tigernut in with it as a visual and its sweet creamy aroma complements the Complex-T beautifully. The fish love it too!!)
Use with confidence!!
Complex T was specifically designed as a soft soluble high quality bait that is easily digestible all year round. Although it is primarily a fishmeal (LT94,Antartic Krill meal) it has some superb highly soluble liquid foods and attractants and contains a unique cool water feed trigger put together and supplied exclusively to Dynamite for the past decade or more.
The shelflife variety differs from the freezer bait only by the addition of a food grade stabiliser.
I use nothing else these days. (sometimes mix a little Monster Tigernut in with it as a visual and its sweet creamy aroma complements the Complex-T beautifully. The fish love it too!!)
Use with confidence!!
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The thing is with brands like dynamite that sell through shops, the bait has to be made to a price whereby they can sell to the shop and the shop can make a their cut on it, therefore it stands to reason with another mouth to feed the bait will have to be made cheaper than a company that sells direct to its customer.
For this reason i recommend companies like DNA and Baitworks where i believe you get more 'bait' for your money. Of course i could be completely wrong but that's the way I see it. Personally I use DNA S7 and cant see myself changing any time soon. It works everywhere i have taken it, I wouldn't say its super soft but certainly not hard either!
The thing is with brands like dynamite that sell through shops, the bait has to be made to a price whereby they can sell to the shop and the shop can make a their cut on it, therefore it stands to reason with another mouth to feed the bait will have to be made cheaper than a company that sells direct to its customer.
For this reason i recommend companies like DNA and Baitworks where i believe you get more 'bait' for your money. Of course i could be completely wrong but that's the way I see it. Personally I use DNA S7 and cant see myself changing any time soon. It works everywhere i have taken it, I wouldn't say its super soft but certainly not hard either!
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The guy is all over the Dynamite webpage, so I would take a recommendation with that in mind. Same goes for the Carp Spirit stuff he pops up plugging.
The guy is all over the Dynamite webpage, so I would take a recommendation with that in mind. Same goes for the Carp Spirit stuff he pops up plugging.
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Appreciate the replies.
I understand the point your making but i don't think it's as simple as that. Also DNA sell to tackle shops, most seem to have a portion of their range.
Surely buying power comes into play with the really large manufacturers. Dynamite have been around along time and they must be one of the largest buyers of the 'regular' carp bait ingredients out there. They are obviously top tier customers to their suppliers and so buy in quantities at favourable pricing.
One of the things that has always struck me on the forums is the number of people recommending sole 'garage' bait makers because they have the best ingredients and prices. No doubt there are some very capable bait makers supplying people at good prices. However i can't believe they can really be competitive with the likes of DNA Baits etc. They are small fry when it comes to talking with suppliers and securing prices even if they could store the vast quantities that achieve the best prices.
I suppose my point is that amongst the large manufacturers there isn't a gulf in quality just because of how they sell be it direct to customer or via a shop or a combination of both.
I'll also repeat that i have no affiliation with anyone at all and I'm coming off CCMoore Live System.
Appreciate the replies.
I understand the point your making but i don't think it's as simple as that. Also DNA sell to tackle shops, most seem to have a portion of their range.
Surely buying power comes into play with the really large manufacturers. Dynamite have been around along time and they must be one of the largest buyers of the 'regular' carp bait ingredients out there. They are obviously top tier customers to their suppliers and so buy in quantities at favourable pricing.
One of the things that has always struck me on the forums is the number of people recommending sole 'garage' bait makers because they have the best ingredients and prices. No doubt there are some very capable bait makers supplying people at good prices. However i can't believe they can really be competitive with the likes of DNA Baits etc. They are small fry when it comes to talking with suppliers and securing prices even if they could store the vast quantities that achieve the best prices.
I suppose my point is that amongst the large manufacturers there isn't a gulf in quality just because of how they sell be it direct to customer or via a shop or a combination of both.
I'll also repeat that i have no affiliation with anyone at all and I'm coming off CCMoore Live System.
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Blakes bait sharpy classics tutti pro. Or snowberry
Blakes bait sharpy classics tutti pro. Or snowberry
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It doesn't quite work like that though. If someone is making a quality bait from their shed, they don't have any overheads. No staff. No business premises. No transport costs. So they don't need to make the same mark up on a bait or sell it in such high volumes to make a decent profit. So it doesn't matter if they don't have the same buying power or storage as big boys. They don't need to.
It doesn't quite work like that though. If someone is making a quality bait from their shed, they don't have any overheads. No staff. No business premises. No transport costs. So they don't need to make the same mark up on a bait or sell it in such high volumes to make a decent profit. So it doesn't matter if they don't have the same buying power or storage as big boys. They don't need to.
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Missed a couple of the biggest marks up reasons off
Marketing/advertising
consultant freebies.
Missed a couple of the biggest marks up reasons off
Marketing/advertising
consultant freebies.
In reply to Post #6
Agree with Deano on this totally... I'd add ABS into the mix too. Cheaper than the others too usually...
Agree with Deano on this totally... I'd add ABS into the mix too. Cheaper than the others too usually...
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DNA supply to the odd shop and venue, hardly comparable to Dynamite in that regard who to the best of my knowledge only supply shops.
I think another point about Fred in the shed style bait firms is it is also easier to make high quality bait in smaller batches. Companies such as Mainline and Dynamite need to produce baits that are not only cheap but also easy to produce quickly in huge quantities through industrial machinery. In the case of smaller firms It is also on occasion done out of love and a passion rather than a will for world domination and a CEOs obsession of the bottom line.
At the end of the day you pay your money you make your choice, Dynamite for sure catch a lot of fish it just wouldnt be my choice for the reasons explained. Maybe we should all be using the likes of Dynamite to support our local shops? Thats a whole different debate.
DNA supply to the odd shop and venue, hardly comparable to Dynamite in that regard who to the best of my knowledge only supply shops.
I think another point about Fred in the shed style bait firms is it is also easier to make high quality bait in smaller batches. Companies such as Mainline and Dynamite need to produce baits that are not only cheap but also easy to produce quickly in huge quantities through industrial machinery. In the case of smaller firms It is also on occasion done out of love and a passion rather than a will for world domination and a CEOs obsession of the bottom line.
At the end of the day you pay your money you make your choice, Dynamite for sure catch a lot of fish it just wouldnt be my choice for the reasons explained. Maybe we should all be using the likes of Dynamite to support our local shops? Thats a whole different debate.
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Agree with your understanding. However. I think some of the bigger company's buy in large bulk to keep their purchase price down, then sell at inflated prices to optimise maximum profit.
I have no proof, just my opinion.
Agree with your understanding. However. I think some of the bigger company's buy in large bulk to keep their purchase price down, then sell at inflated prices to optimise maximum profit.
I have no proof, just my opinion.
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I'd say bait manufacturers are small fry compared to the industries that fish meals, milks, cereals etc are produced for.
ABS probably have as big a buying power than the big boys, especially with the amount of mixes they supply to others.....
I'd say bait manufacturers are small fry compared to the industries that fish meals, milks, cereals etc are produced for.
ABS probably have as big a buying power than the big boys, especially with the amount of mixes they supply to others.....
I've had some great hits in France with complex-T shelfies. In the Uk, my lake rules are frozen baits only so can't comment on long term use.
Think about mixing them up with a few frozen ones and/or soak some in very hot water for a short while to increase and vary breakdown time.
Think about mixing them up with a few frozen ones and/or soak some in very hot water for a short while to increase and vary breakdown time.
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I agree with what you are saying about good, honest solo bait makers as i mentioned already.
I still think that the costs incurred by these guys must fluctuate considerably throughout the year if they regularly supply even a few local guys. For starters suppliers costs will also change due to any number of reasons or said supplier might not have what they normally supply. That then means sourcing the correct ingredients elsewhere and there will be a cost difference. Granted shopping about for these guys might yield a saving but then you have another factor added into the mix. Consistency.
I suppose this is why i tend to put similarly sized manufacturers into the same pot. ABS, DNA, Baitworks and Dynamite to name a few simply have to be consistent. They have the best terms with their suppliers who are probably often the one and same.
I have made bait in the past with some Haiths products and some various nut and fishmeals and aside the fact i don't think it is particularly easy it is very time consuming.
Apologies i am going on and on essentially off topic. I remembered reading favourable things about Complex-T and then nothing thus the thread in the first place.
I agree with what you are saying about good, honest solo bait makers as i mentioned already.
I still think that the costs incurred by these guys must fluctuate considerably throughout the year if they regularly supply even a few local guys. For starters suppliers costs will also change due to any number of reasons or said supplier might not have what they normally supply. That then means sourcing the correct ingredients elsewhere and there will be a cost difference. Granted shopping about for these guys might yield a saving but then you have another factor added into the mix. Consistency.
I suppose this is why i tend to put similarly sized manufacturers into the same pot. ABS, DNA, Baitworks and Dynamite to name a few simply have to be consistent. They have the best terms with their suppliers who are probably often the one and same.
I have made bait in the past with some Haiths products and some various nut and fishmeals and aside the fact i don't think it is particularly easy it is very time consuming.
Apologies i am going on and on essentially off topic. I remembered reading favourable things about Complex-T and then nothing thus the thread in the first place.
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