Only out of curiosity as I cant see me affording to be able to do
I keep watching vids on YouTube of public lake fishing in France having to use a boat and I see many people being good and using life jackets ,but they have chest waders on ?
Now I know life jackets are good but would they save someone with waders on ?
So in other words are they just putting jackets on for us viewers as I know they have to ware waders to launch the boat in most situations
I keep watching vids on YouTube of public lake fishing in France having to use a boat and I see many people being good and using life jackets ,but they have chest waders on ?
Now I know life jackets are good but would they save someone with waders on ?
So in other words are they just putting jackets on for us viewers as I know they have to ware waders to launch the boat in most situations
In reply to Post #1
Never tried falling in with waders on, but this guy has, go to 2:29
YOU TUBE LINK
and 1:49 here which is i what happens if you wade too deep
YOU TUBE LINKY
Never tried falling in with waders on, but this guy has, go to 2:29
YOU TUBE LINK
and 1:49 here which is i what happens if you wade too deep
YOU TUBE LINKY
In reply to Post #1
We had a guy on a refinery years ago drown from this
He was cleaning the filters in the cooling pond (man made 100 yards by 200 yards 3 foot deep) and slipped, then could not right himself
The pond was high walled and no one saw him struggling, very sad
It was probably 20 years ago and the materials have improved a lot now
They changed after this and had divers doing it and in squads of 3
I have a pocket inside my chesties and have a knife in it - if it ever happened I would spli5 the waders and let the air out
More people do need to be aware of this
We had a guy on a refinery years ago drown from this
He was cleaning the filters in the cooling pond (man made 100 yards by 200 yards 3 foot deep) and slipped, then could not right himself
The pond was high walled and no one saw him struggling, very sad
It was probably 20 years ago and the materials have improved a lot now
They changed after this and had divers doing it and in squads of 3
I have a pocket inside my chesties and have a knife in it - if it ever happened I would spli5 the waders and let the air out
More people do need to be aware of this
In reply to Post #3
That's is a very, very good tip.
That's is a very, very good tip.
In reply to Post #1
I use a boat a fair bit and generally now I will only put waders on upto my waist and will not put elastics over my shoulder when im getting into the boat.
Im lucky to have a big enough gut to hold them in pace.
I use a boat a fair bit and generally now I will only put waders on upto my waist and will not put elastics over my shoulder when im getting into the boat.
Im lucky to have a big enough gut to hold them in pace.
In reply to Post #5
Once waders fill with water they are neutral buoyancy in water (neoprene waders will still have a positive buoyancy due to the material). It is when you try and lift filled waders out of water that the weight will have an effect. There may be a drag effect, similar to a drogue, caused by the top of the waders, but they won't drag you under.
Once waders fill with water they are neutral buoyancy in water (neoprene waders will still have a positive buoyancy due to the material). It is when you try and lift filled waders out of water that the weight will have an effect. There may be a drag effect, similar to a drogue, caused by the top of the waders, but they won't drag you under.
In reply to Post #1
lay back, feet up. traps air in the welly part so you can keep afloat. As in the first video below. Then paddle your way to safety as you would if you were on you back when swimming. A life jacket will just make that easier.
Much safer with just a life jacket on however
lay back, feet up. traps air in the welly part so you can keep afloat. As in the first video below. Then paddle your way to safety as you would if you were on you back when swimming. A life jacket will just make that easier.
Much safer with just a life jacket on however
In reply to Post #7
Not a good idea , it might be alright in warm water in a controlled enviroment but if you go in and its cold and you panic then the fun will start.
Not a good idea , it might be alright in warm water in a controlled enviroment but if you go in and its cold and you panic then the fun will start.
Long time ago I was fishing a match on the Trent. Mate was just down from me stood in the river fishing the stick float down the margin shelf. He had PVC waders on, he stepped out too far and slipped down the shelf and above the waders which instantly filled with water, he managed to chuck his rod towards the bank and swim and scrambled to the edge and was helped out by the angler in the swim above him that saw him go in. Very, very, very lucky that day, thought he was a gonna, still talk about it now
Couple chesties with silt and they can be deadly, Ive had a few dodgey situations in the past and it's pretty scary to say the least. To the point, if I need to wade out to free a fish or whatever I would rather do it in my shoes and pants if it's silty.
Interesting point though below. I have some PVC Barbour ones at the minute which would fill easily. I've had a few pairs of Daiwa neoprenes in the past and it makes me wonder if these are safer due to the tight fit and taking less water on?
I prefer neoprenes for a long time but when your bursting out of the tent in the night and you need chesties they are a pain in the arse. One thing about neoprenes because they are snug fitting you don't get that feeling where it feels like you stood in a bag like the PVC ones with the water sloshing around you 
Couple chesties with silt and they can be deadly, Ive had a few dodgey situations in the past and it's pretty scary to say the least. To the point, if I need to wade out to free a fish or whatever I would rather do it in my shoes and pants if it's silty.
Interesting point though below. I have some PVC Barbour ones at the minute which would fill easily. I've had a few pairs of Daiwa neoprenes in the past and it makes me wonder if these are safer due to the tight fit and taking less water on?
I prefer neoprenes for a long time but when your bursting out of the tent in the night and you need chesties they are a pain in the arse. One thing about neoprenes because they are snug fitting you don't get that feeling where it feels like you stood in a bag like the PVC ones with the water sloshing around you
These videos etc are all well and good because they show a conscious moving person in temperate water...Alter that scenario to an angler that has slipped over /fallen in and KO'd themselves and or winter time with bloody cold water and the outcome will be a different one 
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In reply to Post #10
Not on the chesties but on safety I was on the scrap yard on the Trent at Newark dyke barbel fishing. Only peg where I wanted to be was between three guys who were down for a couple of nights
They were drinking all day and on the wacky. All three were stood in one peg even though they were covering 4 pegs. I actually had to go tell them one of them he had a run as they never heard the alarm, one double figure barbel later they went back to standing together and drinking. . Soon all in bivvys and asleep
Middle of the night I'm sat watching my rod when I heard a splash from the peg next to me, went to have a look and the guy has fell in whilst having a pee. He was so pissed and stoned he couldn't get out and was sliding back into and under the water. I ran and got his mate and between us we got him out. I lent him some dry gear and we put him to bed - told his mate he needed to keep his eye on him. The next morning the guy comes over to me and thanks me but can't remember any of it
I'm convinced that had I not not been there he would not be here now either.
Crazy what some people do next to water.
Not on the chesties but on safety I was on the scrap yard on the Trent at Newark dyke barbel fishing. Only peg where I wanted to be was between three guys who were down for a couple of nights
They were drinking all day and on the wacky. All three were stood in one peg even though they were covering 4 pegs. I actually had to go tell them one of them he had a run as they never heard the alarm, one double figure barbel later they went back to standing together and drinking. . Soon all in bivvys and asleep
Middle of the night I'm sat watching my rod when I heard a splash from the peg next to me, went to have a look and the guy has fell in whilst having a pee. He was so pissed and stoned he couldn't get out and was sliding back into and under the water. I ran and got his mate and between us we got him out. I lent him some dry gear and we put him to bed - told his mate he needed to keep his eye on him. The next morning the guy comes over to me and thanks me but can't remember any of it
I'm convinced that had I not not been there he would not be here now either.
Crazy what some people do next to water.
In reply to Post #8
I once swam across a pond for a bet on boxing day morning. It wasn't far but I barely made it and I was a strong swimmer. Don't take liberties around water or you will die. It's easy to be braveheart, but not in real life.
I once swam across a pond for a bet on boxing day morning. It wasn't far but I barely made it and I was a strong swimmer. Don't take liberties around water or you will die. It's easy to be braveheart, but not in real life.
In reply to Post #1
Several years ago I went on a solo trip to France to a lake that allows boats, I've always preferred that type of water. I'd been out with the echo, H blocks atro tubes prodding stick etc on the first day found a few likely spots and baited them up. I rarely get the rods out first day after baiting up preferring to watch the water get fed and sorted properly, have a kip then get the rigs out if all looks good. One spot wasn't far to an island about 110 yards, within an hour of the rigs being out I'm into a stuttery take that powers along the island then rock solid under a small overhanging bush. Which surprised me as I'd found no heavy snags. Couldn't move it and couldn't feel the fish so back on the rest slack line for half an hour but nothing. So out in the boat life jacket on over to the snag. I couldn't shift it from above with the rod so wrapped the mainline round my hands with gloves on and heaved it up. A few smallish branches came up grudgingly then a huge catfish head came into view! It crash dived and in a flash I was over the side under water attached to a cat of over a ton about 3 feet away 😬. Luckily the hooklink snapped and I quickly bobbed up, the boat was now 20 yards away and I found my footing in about 5 foot of water and managed to clamber on the island and get the boat with a branch. I'd never go out in a boat on my own in wader's and I also have a made up Paracord safety line with a couple of carabiners that attach me to the boat. Luckily I've lived and learned.
Several years ago I went on a solo trip to France to a lake that allows boats, I've always preferred that type of water. I'd been out with the echo, H blocks atro tubes prodding stick etc on the first day found a few likely spots and baited them up. I rarely get the rods out first day after baiting up preferring to watch the water get fed and sorted properly, have a kip then get the rigs out if all looks good. One spot wasn't far to an island about 110 yards, within an hour of the rigs being out I'm into a stuttery take that powers along the island then rock solid under a small overhanging bush. Which surprised me as I'd found no heavy snags. Couldn't move it and couldn't feel the fish so back on the rest slack line for half an hour but nothing. So out in the boat life jacket on over to the snag. I couldn't shift it from above with the rod so wrapped the mainline round my hands with gloves on and heaved it up. A few smallish branches came up grudgingly then a huge catfish head came into view! It crash dived and in a flash I was over the side under water attached to a cat of over a ton about 3 feet away 😬. Luckily the hooklink snapped and I quickly bobbed up, the boat was now 20 yards away and I found my footing in about 5 foot of water and managed to clamber on the island and get the boat with a branch. I'd never go out in a boat on my own in wader's and I also have a made up Paracord safety line with a couple of carabiners that attach me to the boat. Luckily I've lived and learned.
In reply to Post #9
Interesting point though below. I have some PVC Barbour ones at the minute which would fill easily. I've had a few pairs of Daiwa neoprenes in the past and it makes me wonder if these are safer due to the tight fit and taking less water on?
I'd say this works in reverse. Neoprene are much harder to slip out of whilst in water. Pvc being a looser fit means you can kick them off if you need to without too much hassle. Neoprene is much harder. I've done it with both.
PVC trap more air so if you stick your feet up you'll have more buoyancy.
Interesting point though below. I have some PVC Barbour ones at the minute which would fill easily. I've had a few pairs of Daiwa neoprenes in the past and it makes me wonder if these are safer due to the tight fit and taking less water on?
I'd say this works in reverse. Neoprene are much harder to slip out of whilst in water. Pvc being a looser fit means you can kick them off if you need to without too much hassle. Neoprene is much harder. I've done it with both.
PVC trap more air so if you stick your feet up you'll have more buoyancy.
In reply to Post #14
I still have to pull the PVC ones off with my other boot, something i probably could not do in the water. What I was trying to say, if you went under with neoprenes on they would not take as much water on because they are tighter, less room
Yes, neoprenes are far more difficult to get on and off, you virtually have to peel them down
I still have to pull the PVC ones off with my other boot, something i probably could not do in the water. What I was trying to say, if you went under with neoprenes on they would not take as much water on because they are tighter, less room
Yes, neoprenes are far more difficult to get on and off, you virtually have to peel them down
So I assume a belt on the outside would help prevent the waders filling with water
In reply to Post #13
It crash dived and in a flash I was over the side under water attached to a cat of over a ton
I thought 250lb was a big cat, a ton
It crash dived and in a flash I was over the side under water attached to a cat of over a ton
I thought 250lb was a big cat, a ton
In reply to Post #17
Well I'm a cruiserweight and it got the better of me
Well I'm a cruiserweight and it got the better of me
In reply to Post #13
Isn't the wearing waders in water thing a myth? Water weighs the same as other water so wether you have boots filled with water or not it makes no difference, it won't "drag you under" like some say?
Isn't the wearing waders in water thing a myth? Water weighs the same as other water so wether you have boots filled with water or not it makes no difference, it won't "drag you under" like some say?
In reply to Post #19
All I think is what's the benefits of wearing chesties or hip wader's in a boat? Personally if I'm tipped into the water I'd want no drag trying to get out. Especially on my own in inclement weather.
All I think is what's the benefits of wearing chesties or hip wader's in a boat? Personally if I'm tipped into the water I'd want no drag trying to get out. Especially on my own in inclement weather.
In reply to Post #19
I agree - it wouldn't drag you down, unless there's some kind of current that they 'catch'.
The issue I'd imagine would be the weight when trying to tread water or swim. In this case you would be lifting the weight of the water within the waders and would exhaust quickly.
I agree - it wouldn't drag you down, unless there's some kind of current that they 'catch'.
The issue I'd imagine would be the weight when trying to tread water or swim. In this case you would be lifting the weight of the water within the waders and would exhaust quickly.
In reply to Post #21
I would never ever wear waders in a boat, it's just not worth the risk, waders in a boat without the correct life jacket is just daft, I used to be the h&S person on the gardens team, on a estate that held a stretch of the river test, when you look into the risks from wearing waders, the risk isn't funny enough filling up with water, it's the air trapped both within the waders and the material that's the problem, neoprene are the worst by far, basically what happens is the waders float to the surface, your head is then submerged and you drown, hence you should always wear the stronger lifeguard when using neoprene, with rubber it's still there just not as much as the material contains less air, it's still enough to drown you but not as powerful so a lighter life jacket is needed
I would never ever wear waders in a boat, it's just not worth the risk, waders in a boat without the correct life jacket is just daft, I used to be the h&S person on the gardens team, on a estate that held a stretch of the river test, when you look into the risks from wearing waders, the risk isn't funny enough filling up with water, it's the air trapped both within the waders and the material that's the problem, neoprene are the worst by far, basically what happens is the waders float to the surface, your head is then submerged and you drown, hence you should always wear the stronger lifeguard when using neoprene, with rubber it's still there just not as much as the material contains less air, it's still enough to drown you but not as powerful so a lighter life jacket is needed
Surely the only time you'd need to wear waders when using a boat is when you need to actually go in the water to get in the boat rather than being able to just step into it off a jetty etc and then maybe thigh waders is a better option, I'm only guessing as I can't fit in my bait boat
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