I had a long conversation with a Pest control manager of a leading Firm and is an expert on the poisons they use
and a few facts that might surprise these people with vivid imaginations
Concerning the baited mouse boxes I always use and recommend ( he says they are the perfect answer and sadly there is not a Rat equivalent )
1 .........if a mouse thats been killed by the baited box then gets eaten by anything else cat dog bird etc it wont kill them !!
the mouse just needs to LICK the bait not eat it ! and its pretty much instant thats why one box can kill up to 50 mice
2......The mouse boxes wont do anything to a rat
3 .....ANY Rat poison that is used outside needs to be eaten for between 10 and 14 days to kill a rat its very slow acting
AGAIN the dead rat will not kill anything else if it then gets eaten !!
if the law allowed a fast acting rat poison to be used outside then the dead rats would be a danger but its against the law and you cant buy anything like that
hope this clears up the confusion and stops the scare mongering
and a few facts that might surprise these people with vivid imaginations
Concerning the baited mouse boxes I always use and recommend ( he says they are the perfect answer and sadly there is not a Rat equivalent )
1 .........if a mouse thats been killed by the baited box then gets eaten by anything else cat dog bird etc it wont kill them !!
the mouse just needs to LICK the bait not eat it ! and its pretty much instant thats why one box can kill up to 50 mice
2......The mouse boxes wont do anything to a rat
3 .....ANY Rat poison that is used outside needs to be eaten for between 10 and 14 days to kill a rat its very slow acting
AGAIN the dead rat will not kill anything else if it then gets eaten !!
if the law allowed a fast acting rat poison to be used outside then the dead rats would be a danger but its against the law and you cant buy anything like that
hope this clears up the confusion and stops the scare mongering
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Rat and mouse poisons are anti-coagulants and they kill by causing internal bleeding that leads to a long and lingering death. Break neck traps are swift and efficient and the dead animal can be retrieved at the place of death and binned out of harms way. If a mouse has crawled to a nest under your house to die, the house will stink and you will be ripping up floorboards! With poison you always have the risk of young children or non target species taking the bait whereas I use chocolate or cheese. You still have to be careful and place the traps in places that other species can't reach as young fingers could easily be broken if they set one off. I'll stick to my traps.
Rat and mouse poisons are anti-coagulants and they kill by causing internal bleeding that leads to a long and lingering death. Break neck traps are swift and efficient and the dead animal can be retrieved at the place of death and binned out of harms way. If a mouse has crawled to a nest under your house to die, the house will stink and you will be ripping up floorboards! With poison you always have the risk of young children or non target species taking the bait whereas I use chocolate or cheese. You still have to be careful and place the traps in places that other species can't reach as young fingers could easily be broken if they set one off. I'll stick to my traps.
Both interesting and valid posts. Thanks for sharing
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If you put a mouse box down and you dont have mice at the time, will it still be a working poison and how long is it active for?
If you put a mouse box down and you dont have mice at the time, will it still be a working poison and how long is it active for?
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Those Rentokil boxes Gerry recommends last for years as far as I'm aware.
Those Rentokil boxes Gerry recommends last for years as far as I'm aware.
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Ive got two of those in my tackle shed, little bleeders ate through my course landing and keep net..... Before I got the mouse box things .........My shed is wooden and they chewed through a knot in the wood on the floor .... It was the only hole in the shed about the size of a 10p piece..... I've since shoved wire wool in the hole and made a repair and touch wood haven't had any rodent issues for nearly 1 year.....
Most of my neighbours have got cats and I stupidly thought this would keep them at bay..... As the feckers are always in my garden doing there thing.....it drives my dog nuts and he spends many an hour "on guard" looking through the window and barking his tits off when they walk along the top of the fence.....
I have o make a big noise every time I let the dog in the garden so scare the cats away or to at least give them time to jump up onto the fence before he goes bounding out.....
Ive got two of those in my tackle shed, little bleeders ate through my course landing and keep net..... Before I got the mouse box things .........My shed is wooden and they chewed through a knot in the wood on the floor .... It was the only hole in the shed about the size of a 10p piece..... I've since shoved wire wool in the hole and made a repair and touch wood haven't had any rodent issues for nearly 1 year.....
Most of my neighbours have got cats and I stupidly thought this would keep them at bay..... As the feckers are always in my garden doing there thing.....it drives my dog nuts and he spends many an hour "on guard" looking through the window and barking his tits off when they walk along the top of the fence.....
I have o make a big noise every time I let the dog in the garden so scare the cats away or to at least give them time to jump up onto the fence before he goes bounding out.....
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Most of my neighbours have got cats and I stupidly thought this would keep them at bay..... As the feckers are always in my garden doing there thing.....it drives my dog nuts and he spends many an hour "on guard" looking through the window and barking his tits off when they walk along the top of the fence.....
Exactly the same here, dog goes bananas, especially when I let him out to greet them! He actually does that cartoon wheel spin on the kitchen floor till he gets going
Most of my neighbours have got cats and I stupidly thought this would keep them at bay..... As the feckers are always in my garden doing there thing.....it drives my dog nuts and he spends many an hour "on guard" looking through the window and barking his tits off when they walk along the top of the fence.....
Exactly the same here, dog goes bananas, especially when I let him out to greet them! He actually does that cartoon wheel spin on the kitchen floor till he gets going
As in a previous post I use the traps and have snared 5 in 3 weeks, the only way I believe they could have got in to the shed is underneath the door as there was a gap of about 15mm I have now blocked that up with a piece of chequer plate I had 👍
Not had any since
Oh and I gave the mice to next doors cats apart from two that a magpie picked up and flew off with
Not had any since
Oh and I gave the mice to next doors cats apart from two that a magpie picked up and flew off with
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Thanks for the information, I suspected as much tbh as I have used the bait method for years in my garage and loft. We have 6 cats and never had any ill because of eating poisoned mice.
Thanks for the information, I suspected as much tbh as I have used the bait method for years in my garage and loft. We have 6 cats and never had any ill because of eating poisoned mice.
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Thought Bob Nudd had a new single out going by the thread title,bit like "maggots in her catapult"
Thought Bob Nudd had a new single out going by the thread title,bit like "maggots in her catapult"
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It's actually Joe Exotic's next single
It's actually Joe Exotic's next single
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Cleaned shed out to find both bivvies with mice holes in each one! Bloody creatures!! Done an interesting repair myself with the damaged bivvy bag and aqua seal glue
Cleaned shed out to find both bivvies with mice holes in each one! Bloody creatures!! Done an interesting repair myself with the damaged bivvy bag and aqua seal glue
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NO the baited mouse boxes IS NOT A anti-coagulant !!!
you cant get the bait out of the box ! as explained they dont eat it its pretty much instant they only need to LICK IT !! and either die still inside the box or within 3 feet of it
they cant crawl away under your floor boards lol only in your imagination this happens we are talking about tackle sheds anyway ?
as far as stinking goes with mice nope ! with rats yes with mice they just dry up very fast go like a stone and dont smell
NO the baited mouse boxes IS NOT A anti-coagulant !!!
you cant get the bait out of the box ! as explained they dont eat it its pretty much instant they only need to LICK IT !! and either die still inside the box or within 3 feet of it
they cant crawl away under your floor boards lol only in your imagination this happens
we are talking about tackle sheds anyway ? as far as stinking goes with mice nope ! with rats yes with mice they just dry up very fast go like a stone and dont smell
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For what it's worth, I use Reece's peanut butter cups on my mouse traps and it works amazingly well. Always get a mouse or 3 a year in the garage, as soon as I see any evidence I lay 3 traps, in a couple of days they're all gone.
For what it's worth, I use Reece's peanut butter cups on my mouse traps and it works amazingly well. Always get a mouse or 3 a year in the garage, as soon as I see any evidence I lay 3 traps, in a couple of days they're all gone.
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My garage is permanently baited/trapped, signs of mice or not, just too risky
My garage is permanently baited/trapped, signs of mice or not, just too risky
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Mine too Chuffy
A years supply of poison is much cheaper than replacing a bed chair or sleeping bag
You can buy the instant acting poison and refillable bait boxes in bulk
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07FW63WB4/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o09_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Mine too Chuffy
A years supply of poison is much cheaper than replacing a bed chair or sleeping bag
You can buy the instant acting poison and refillable bait boxes in bulk
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07FW63WB4/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o09_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
In reply to Post #1
If they're coming through the floor, line it with aviary mesh stapled down. That's what I did to my wooden shed years ago when we kept rabbits in it. It's now full of camping gear and never had an issue with damage.
If they're coming through the floor, line it with aviary mesh stapled down. That's what I did to my wooden shed years ago when we kept rabbits in it. It's now full of camping gear and never had an issue with damage.
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I'm the same traps in the shed and garage all year round baited with old shelf life bait ,the great thing about traps is you know if you've had visitor's
I'm the same traps in the shed and garage all year round baited with old shelf life bait ,the great thing about traps is you know if you've had visitor's
I kept chickens until six months ago so am used to rodents. I bait year round and my dog lets me know where as well. No niceties here bait comes from pest control mate with the odd pasta thrown in My girl just brings em to me and the rats eat each other when they die so a win win.
these guys will help you out...
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My classy neighbours have rats under their decking and shed that visit my garden daily. The BSA Ultra SE in .22 sorts them out along with a small amount of poison in tiny sealed plastic bags that the rats eat under the *******s shed.
My classy neighbours have rats under their decking and shed that visit my garden daily. The BSA Ultra SE in .22 sorts them out along with a small amount of poison in tiny sealed plastic bags that the rats eat under the *******s shed.
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As this is something that interests me, and I've commented in the past regards my concerns for predators and pets re rodent poisons, I think it would be a good idea to once again link the item you use as not all are equal as I'm sure you'll agree.
For example the chanmanie linked product (Racan Rapid Paste) which contains the ingredient Alphachloralose (4%) which after a very quick google search has been rumoured to affect pets which ingested affected rodents.
Finnish Safety and Chemicals Agency (Tukes) began to study alphachloralose (AC) toxicity in 2019 after several Finnish veterinarians started to discuss it on social media. AC works as an anesthetic. Especially cats are prone to AC toxicity because the substance also acts when a pet eats a mouse that has ingested the poison. When treated properly, the prognosis is good.
In autumn 2018 Finnish veterinarians started asking about possible AC poisoning on their social media platform. The typical case was an outdoor cat that returned home wobbling. Officials in Finnish Food Authority (Ruokavirasto) notified the Finnish Safety and Chemicals Agency (Tukes) about the possibility that AC could be causing these poisonings. Tukes conducted an enquiry to Finnish veterinarians about pets' chemical poisonings in spring 2019. 63 veterinarians reported 96 cases where AC was the suspected toxin. Only a few of these cases concerned dogs.
This is just one quote from one source (Federation of European Animal Veterinary Associations) found here there are others, and yes I agree suspected is not proven.
As this is something that interests me, and I've commented in the past regards my concerns for predators and pets re rodent poisons, I think it would be a good idea to once again link the item you use as not all are equal as I'm sure you'll agree.
For example the chanmanie linked product (Racan Rapid Paste) which contains the ingredient Alphachloralose (4%) which after a very quick google search has been rumoured to affect pets which ingested affected rodents.
Finnish Safety and Chemicals Agency (Tukes) began to study alphachloralose (AC) toxicity in 2019 after several Finnish veterinarians started to discuss it on social media. AC works as an anesthetic. Especially cats are prone to AC toxicity because the substance also acts when a pet eats a mouse that has ingested the poison. When treated properly, the prognosis is good.
In autumn 2018 Finnish veterinarians started asking about possible AC poisoning on their social media platform. The typical case was an outdoor cat that returned home wobbling. Officials in Finnish Food Authority (Ruokavirasto) notified the Finnish Safety and Chemicals Agency (Tukes) about the possibility that AC could be causing these poisonings. Tukes conducted an enquiry to Finnish veterinarians about pets' chemical poisonings in spring 2019. 63 veterinarians reported 96 cases where AC was the suspected toxin. Only a few of these cases concerned dogs.
This is just one quote from one source (Federation of European Animal Veterinary Associations) found here there are others, and yes I agree suspected is not proven.
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The Rentokil uses the same active ingredient as the Racan Rapid Paste. Alphachloralose. but is claimed to be child and pet friendly
The Rentokil uses the same active ingredient as the Racan Rapid Paste. Alphachloralose. but is claimed to be child and pet friendly
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No risk of children going for chocolate or cheese....
No risk of children going for chocolate or cheese....
In reply to Post #15
I'm in my garage very regularly, so i spot the droppings before any real damage is done. I used to leave baited traps all year but found that the mice would ignore them. As soon as I put some fresh bait of the peanut butter cups I'd get the mouse that night or the next.
I'm in my garage very regularly, so i spot the droppings before any real damage is done. I used to leave baited traps all year but found that the mice would ignore them. As soon as I put some fresh bait of the peanut butter cups I'd get the mouse that night or the next.
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Same as Chuffy, I still use the baited traps out that Oldgeezer recommends as they are extremely good, but also leave a few traps here and there to catch the odd blighter now and again. I don't have a big problem with mice thankfully but catch the odd one now and again. As said earlier it only takes one to cause some serious damage to gear, better to take care rather than be wise after the disaster strikes !!!
Same as Chuffy, I still use the baited traps out that Oldgeezer recommends as they are extremely good, but also leave a few traps here and there to catch the odd blighter now and again. I don't have a big problem with mice thankfully but catch the odd one now and again. As said earlier it only takes one to cause some serious damage to gear, better to take care rather than be wise after the disaster strikes !!!
Just caught my first one in a spring loaded trap - 6 for about £13 off Amazon. He looked surprised 😄, double grains of maize did the trick 👍
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I run mouse traps in my fishing shed all year, normally baited with a boilie of some description, always seem most productive in autumn and early spring, not had one for a few weeks now. Outside I have a few bait boxes but also run MK4 fenn tunnel traps for rats around the out buildings, the joy of living in the countryside and having horses and chickens!!!
I run mouse traps in my fishing shed all year, normally baited with a boilie of some description, always seem most productive in autumn and early spring, not had one for a few weeks now. Outside I have a few bait boxes but also run MK4 fenn tunnel traps for rats around the out buildings, the joy of living in the countryside and having horses and chickens!!!
I bought an humane trap that catches them alive and bait it with chocolate
This works a treat, then I just let them out in the park down the road
This works a treat, then I just let them out in the park down the road
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They'll be back, bloody things are like homing pigeons
They'll be back, bloody things are like homing pigeons
In reply to Post #29
What does the bloke think about being used as bait? 😂😂
What does the bloke think about being used as bait? 😂😂
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