As far as I am aware , a good deal of our tackle we buy
Is made in china,
I , personally, would be very happy to pay more
For non chinese made gear.
Are there any companies that are mainly non chinese?
It could be a decent selling point going forward.
Is made in china,
I , personally, would be very happy to pay more
For non chinese made gear.
Are there any companies that are mainly non chinese?
It could be a decent selling point going forward.
In reply to Post #1
Sent from your Huawei smartphone...
Just kidding. Sir Blankalot's got it covered there.
Sent from your Huawei smartphone...
Just kidding. Sir Blankalot's got it covered there.
In reply to Post #1
I agree. We have all become too reliant on "cheap" foreign imports, but at what costs? We went from being the workshop of the world after the advent of the industrial revolution to an economy where selling insurance seems to be our driving force. That may be a bit simplistic but our lack of producing goods is certainly evident when we didn't make any ventilators in this Country or struggling to produce enough PPE for the NHS. I know the outbreak of Corona Virus is something that practically no-one could have predicted but it has exposed the weaknesses. When China went into lockdown early in the year, many manufacturers in this Country went into reduced working as they relied on them to produce the nuts and bolts of machinery and we only assembled them over here.
Unfortunately there will be a massive global recession and unemployment will surge in the months and possibly years to come. I hope that responsible Companies will look beyond the bottom line and start to invest in this Country so we are better prepared to weather any storms on the horizon.
Will those at Korda, Nash and Fox etc. listen? They will if enough people ask them questions and boycott them if they refuse to act. The power for change is in our hands if enough people challenge the system that we have allowed to become the norm and put our own interests first, even if it does seem more expensive in the short term.
I agree. We have all become too reliant on "cheap" foreign imports, but at what costs? We went from being the workshop of the world after the advent of the industrial revolution to an economy where selling insurance seems to be our driving force. That may be a bit simplistic but our lack of producing goods is certainly evident when we didn't make any ventilators in this Country or struggling to produce enough PPE for the NHS. I know the outbreak of Corona Virus is something that practically no-one could have predicted but it has exposed the weaknesses. When China went into lockdown early in the year, many manufacturers in this Country went into reduced working as they relied on them to produce the nuts and bolts of machinery and we only assembled them over here.
Unfortunately there will be a massive global recession and unemployment will surge in the months and possibly years to come. I hope that responsible Companies will look beyond the bottom line and start to invest in this Country so we are better prepared to weather any storms on the horizon.
Will those at Korda, Nash and Fox etc. listen? They will if enough people ask them questions and boycott them if they refuse to act. The power for change is in our hands if enough people challenge the system that we have allowed to become the norm and put our own interests first, even if it does seem more expensive in the short term.
In reply to Post #4
would imagine its almost impossible to compete with the factory style manufacture in china now, and financially impossible to make everything you require in this country and still compete with someone who still takes advantage of the global economy. It would take a lot of people to take a moral stand at the same time and that doesnt happen in business very often i would imagine.
would imagine its almost impossible to compete with the factory style manufacture in china now, and financially impossible to make everything you require in this country and still compete with someone who still takes advantage of the global economy. It would take a lot of people to take a moral stand at the same time and that doesnt happen in business very often i would imagine.
In reply to Post #5
Completely follow the sentiment in this thread. I have stopped buying anything Chinese from now on, having traded directly with the country in a big way in the past.
Completely follow the sentiment in this thread. I have stopped buying anything Chinese from now on, having traded directly with the country in a big way in the past.
Are people prepared to pay higher prices?
thing is a lot of the imported stuff is just crap that needs to be replaced every few years. now some want to replace every few years due to innovation and just cos they like shiny stuff, and that's fair enough.
but higher prices can mean lower cost if design and quality are superior. This is where I think there is still hope for British manufacture. Defiant, JAG, Dymag Tackle, Harrisons etc are examples of this. Proud to say I use gear from all these companies and it's outstanding.
Reuben Heaton is another. Presumbaly manufactured in the UK?
We are very very good at design and manufacture when we put our minds to it.
but higher prices can mean lower cost if design and quality are superior. This is where I think there is still hope for British manufacture. Defiant, JAG, Dymag Tackle, Harrisons etc are examples of this. Proud to say I use gear from all these companies and it's outstanding.
Reuben Heaton is another. Presumbaly manufactured in the UK?
We are very very good at design and manufacture when we put our minds to it.
In reply to Post #7
Yes, I've been as guilty as the next person in buying as cheaply as possible. But you have to look at a balance sheet objectively. Yes, you can buy cheaply from China. But the other side is high unemployment and higher taxes for those working (or on a pension) to prop up those not working on unemployment benefit and the social unrest that is associated with it. Suddenly that "cheap" item doesn't seem quite so cheap after all. We've sleep walked into allowing the huge industrial juggernaut that is China to provide for us but it has flexed it's might with it's tangled web of corporate takeovers and debt management to ensure that the world dances to it's tune. I hope that the positive of this terrible virus is that people start to realise what the real cost of buying "cheap" really means.
Yes, I've been as guilty as the next person in buying as cheaply as possible. But you have to look at a balance sheet objectively. Yes, you can buy cheaply from China. But the other side is high unemployment and higher taxes for those working (or on a pension) to prop up those not working on unemployment benefit and the social unrest that is associated with it. Suddenly that "cheap" item doesn't seem quite so cheap after all. We've sleep walked into allowing the huge industrial juggernaut that is China to provide for us but it has flexed it's might with it's tangled web of corporate takeovers and debt management to ensure that the world dances to it's tune. I hope that the positive of this terrible virus is that people start to realise what the real cost of buying "cheap" really means.
In reply to Post #8
are you sure those companies products are made in uk?
are you sure those companies products are made in uk?
In reply to Post #10
yes, as long as they cut, form etc material then I'm happy. Just assembly less so. Testing no chance.
if you're going to make the agrument imported materials don't count then very little is made in China either.
yes, as long as they cut, form etc material then I'm happy. Just assembly less so. Testing no chance.
if you're going to make the agrument imported materials don't count then very little is made in China either.
In reply to Post #7
Think we will have to learn to, global economys has come back to bite us,
Think we will have to learn to, global economys has come back to bite us,
In reply to Post #12
I'd like to add Cotswold aquarius to that list of uk based manufacturers/producers.
I'd like to add Cotswold aquarius to that list of uk based manufacturers/producers.
In reply to Post #1
Good luck with that sentiment bud a lot of people on here can't wait for a cheap Chinese rip off of any product and they're all over it.
Thing I find strange at the moment is the seeming complete lack of anger on a political level over where the virus came from.
I mean 9.11 the flames had hardly gone out and boom America was marching off to war with Bin Laden and anyone else who fancied it.
This virus has already killed three times more New Yorkers than 9.11 and yet....Mmm nothing
Good luck with that sentiment bud a lot of people on here can't wait for a cheap Chinese rip off of any product and they're all over it.
Thing I find strange at the moment is the seeming complete lack of anger on a political level over where the virus came from.
I mean 9.11 the flames had hardly gone out and boom America was marching off to war with Bin Laden and anyone else who fancied it.
This virus has already killed three times more New Yorkers than 9.11 and yet....Mmm nothing
In reply to Post #14
So what are you suggesting?
Trump bombs China - or the W.H.O. Or whoever else he's blaming this week - and more innocent people die?
Maybe most people have got better things to worry about right now...
So what are you suggesting?
Trump bombs China - or the W.H.O. Or whoever else he's blaming this week - and more innocent people die?
Maybe most people have got better things to worry about right now...
In reply to Post #1
When you consider the wages in UK and China then you will realize that UK tackle don't want to be just a bit more expensive but 3 to 5 times as expensive.
When you consider the wages in UK and China then you will realize that UK tackle don't want to be just a bit more expensive but 3 to 5 times as expensive.
In reply to Post #16
None of the present British manufacturers are - there's only one reason to make stuff in China, very cheap FOB product = massive profit margin to company and also the retailer, it's as simple as that.
I've seen paperwork a few years ago for Bivvys that cost £450 each, FOB $34! (£17.00 each at the time)
But look on the flip side, if made in UK it lasts ages - while your using it your not buying another same product, hence a throw away attitude of all consumer goods.
None of the present British manufacturers are - there's only one reason to make stuff in China, very cheap FOB product = massive profit margin to company and also the retailer, it's as simple as that.
I've seen paperwork a few years ago for Bivvys that cost £450 each, FOB $34! (£17.00 each at the time)
But look on the flip side, if made in UK it lasts ages - while your using it your not buying another same product, hence a throw away attitude of all consumer goods.
In reply to Post #17
There is no better time to reset your buying criteria and reevaluate national (dirty word) benefits. The same can be said in regard to climate change. Your spending choices are crucial and dictate in what direction the world turns.
There is no better time to reset your buying criteria and reevaluate national (dirty word) benefits. The same can be said in regard to climate change. Your spending choices are crucial and dictate in what direction the world turns.
In reply to Post #15
I'm not suggesting anything...do you not admit it's a little strange though
I'm not suggesting anything...do you not admit it's a little strange though
In reply to Post #18
Agree with this. Read an article on fashion trends in the future that predicted a move away from cheap imported items and more towards bespoke longer lasting items. Mainly driven by environmental concerns growing and the impact of fast fashion on the environment. I think the virus will accelerate such change e.g. people working from home more, more use of electronic communication, less travel. The environment is improving from all this and many people don't want to go back to how things were. I don't see why it can't be the same trend with tackle, people love good UK made items and will pay more than original cost for some older items.
Agree with this. Read an article on fashion trends in the future that predicted a move away from cheap imported items and more towards bespoke longer lasting items. Mainly driven by environmental concerns growing and the impact of fast fashion on the environment. I think the virus will accelerate such change e.g. people working from home more, more use of electronic communication, less travel. The environment is improving from all this and many people don't want to go back to how things were. I don't see why it can't be the same trend with tackle, people love good UK made items and will pay more than original cost for some older items.
In reply to Post #19
maybe I'm misunderstanding what you mean
it seemed you were surprised that there hadn't been an angry response to China, and then gave an example of military action after 9/11 - so I thought you were leading toward the idea that should be the next step now. apologies if I've got that wrong. like i say - I think (most) people have prioritised the need for trying to keep people safe than waste valuable time and energy on getting angry at someone. Although I'm sure it won't be long...
As I say, if I've read it wrong, apologies.
In more general reply, some things to think about regarding this thread (and the others that are saying the same things)
Why China and why now? Is it just a knee jerk reaction to the (incorrect) idea that the whole of China is responsible for Covid-19?
Who do you think would actually be affected by your not buying from China / companies that outsource there? It would be the bottom of the chain that is affected i.e. the low paid workers who have little to no choice about their employment situation (unlike the lazy arses here who can't even be bothered to get off the sofa to go and pick crops... but that's another rant for another thread)
Are you going to apply your new found morality across the board? Will you limit this to just fishing kit, or are you going to try and apply it to all your purchases? (Good luck there...) Say goodbye to your tech, and your inexpensive clothing, and your Nike trainers, and ... so on and so on....
And are you going to limit it to China or are you going to look at the appalling human rights records of the other countries that British firms outsource to / trade with / turn a blind eye to?
There's a good read for people here if you really do feel strongly about it.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/countries/
btw - this is by no means me standing up for the Chinese economy - just being objective and realist
maybe I'm misunderstanding what you mean
it seemed you were surprised that there hadn't been an angry response to China, and then gave an example of military action after 9/11 - so I thought you were leading toward the idea that should be the next step now. apologies if I've got that wrong. like i say - I think (most) people have prioritised the need for trying to keep people safe than waste valuable time and energy on getting angry at someone. Although I'm sure it won't be long...
As I say, if I've read it wrong, apologies.
In more general reply, some things to think about regarding this thread (and the others that are saying the same things)
Why China and why now? Is it just a knee jerk reaction to the (incorrect) idea that the whole of China is responsible for Covid-19?
Who do you think would actually be affected by your not buying from China / companies that outsource there? It would be the bottom of the chain that is affected i.e. the low paid workers who have little to no choice about their employment situation (unlike the lazy arses here who can't even be bothered to get off the sofa to go and pick crops... but that's another rant for another thread)
Are you going to apply your new found morality across the board? Will you limit this to just fishing kit, or are you going to try and apply it to all your purchases? (Good luck there...) Say goodbye to your tech, and your inexpensive clothing, and your Nike trainers, and ... so on and so on....
And are you going to limit it to China or are you going to look at the appalling human rights records of the other countries that British firms outsource to / trade with / turn a blind eye to?
There's a good read for people here if you really do feel strongly about it.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/countries/
btw - this is by no means me standing up for the Chinese economy - just being objective and realist
In reply to Post #19
A time and place, not now, our government is a bit buissy
A time and place, not now, our government is a bit buissy
The new world order - more people, more demand, those that produce the most and sell cheap get the trade, the small producers can't compete and go out of business. We are all to blame.
When Brexit got the vote many thought that the UK could regain it's manufacturing status and we would become self sufficient. Unfortunately time has moved forward and for us to backtrack to the 'glory' years would cost way too much for the average person.
Besides, much of China's cheap crap is repackaged and sold as expensive crap and we lap it up. The lines are blurred.
As for 'getting revenge over China' WTF? If you can prove that Covid19 is man made and was released by China, WHO or Aliens then yes, you may have a beef with somebody but as all experts claim it to a natural virus that just happened to come from some bat eating local, who ya gonna bomb? The guy that ate it or the dead bat?
Get real people. I know that people involved in WW2 wouldn't buy Japanese or German goods but they missed out on most of the good cars by doing so. Boycotting China is a bit like boycotting space because an asteroid killed the dinosaurs .
When Brexit got the vote many thought that the UK could regain it's manufacturing status and we would become self sufficient. Unfortunately time has moved forward and for us to backtrack to the 'glory' years would cost way too much for the average person.
Besides, much of China's cheap crap is repackaged and sold as expensive crap and we lap it up. The lines are blurred.
As for 'getting revenge over China' WTF? If you can prove that Covid19 is man made and was released by China, WHO or Aliens then yes, you may have a beef with somebody but as all experts claim it to a natural virus that just happened to come from some bat eating local, who ya gonna bomb? The guy that ate it or the dead bat?
Get real people. I know that people involved in WW2 wouldn't buy Japanese or German goods but they missed out on most of the good cars by doing so. Boycotting China is a bit like boycotting space because an asteroid killed the dinosaurs .
In reply to Post #21
There is not a major outpouring of vile towards China at this time because all countries want PPE, medical supplies and goods from them to see their countries through this pandemic. Once the dust has settled and a vaccine of sorts found and people/economies start to recover then the blame game will start big time.
There is not a major outpouring of vile towards China at this time because all countries want PPE, medical supplies and goods from them to see their countries through this pandemic. Once the dust has settled and a vaccine of sorts found and people/economies start to recover then the blame game will start big time.
In reply to Post #23
Boycotting space.....
Brilliant
Boycotting space.....
Brilliant
In reply to Post #21
Yes what I was trying to say is I find the duality of it very bizarre.
The 9.11 incident drew an immediate and brutal reprisal which continues to this day....I wasn't suggesting that this course of action is the way to go quite the opposite really.
The current situation we find ourselves in is probably easier to pin on a certain country and has claimed far more lives however...no response...admittedly yet.
Perhaps China has a lot more of a grip on the World economy as a whole than any of us imagined possible.....nuclear power station ownership...5G etc etc.
Or perhaps the lack of oil or a required regime change ?
Yes what I was trying to say is I find the duality of it very bizarre.
The 9.11 incident drew an immediate and brutal reprisal which continues to this day....I wasn't suggesting that this course of action is the way to go quite the opposite really.
The current situation we find ourselves in is probably easier to pin on a certain country and has claimed far more lives however...no response...admittedly yet.
Perhaps China has a lot more of a grip on the World economy as a whole than any of us imagined possible.....nuclear power station ownership...5G etc etc.
Or perhaps the lack of oil or a required regime change ?
In reply to Post #24
Let's see if the vaccine at Oxford University works next week when start trials, if it does,sell it to China for an obsurd amount of money
Let's see if the vaccine at Oxford University works next week when start trials, if it does,sell it to China for an obsurd amount of money
In reply to Post #23
I don't like the Germans either, they bombed mi grandads chip oil during war
Saying that, I'm not too keen on the Chinese either, can't get a nice one round our way!
I don't like the Germans either, they bombed mi grandads chip oil during war
Saying that, I'm not too keen on the Chinese either, can't get a nice one round our way!
In reply to Post #26
Could the 1.1trillion dollars that the US owe to China be a factor...? (about 5 per cent of their economy 'owned' by China...)
And as you say, no oil reserves to appropriate or infrastructure rebuild to sell out to tender to US or UK companies....
I'm boycotting Watford after they beat my boys in the premier league. Sod 'em!
Could the 1.1trillion dollars that the US owe to China be a factor...? (about 5 per cent of their economy 'owned' by China...)
And as you say, no oil reserves to appropriate or infrastructure rebuild to sell out to tender to US or UK companies....
I'm boycotting Watford after they beat my boys in the premier league. Sod 'em!
In reply to Post #1
Oh dear.
Some of the posts on here make me laugh.
A. It would be practically impossible do go fishing with products that have no link to China.
B. Why stop buying Chinese now? If it's Coronavirus then that's a laughable reason.
C. The notion that UK made is better than Chinese made just because of Geography is again daft.
Oh dear.
Some of the posts on here make me laugh.
A. It would be practically impossible do go fishing with products that have no link to China.
B. Why stop buying Chinese now? If it's Coronavirus then that's a laughable reason.
C. The notion that UK made is better than Chinese made just because of Geography is again daft.
In reply to Post #29
I'm boycotting Watford after they beat my boys in the premier league
Is that the Eastenders cast Mal?
I'm boycotting Watford after they beat my boys in the premier league
Is that the Eastenders cast Mal?
In reply to Post #31
that's Walford you dope!
no more cider for you tonight....
that's Walford you dope!
no more cider for you tonight....
In reply to Post #32
Need me readers lol ffs
Need me readers lol ffs
In reply to Post #30
No buying something from the UK that is not mass produced is far better though.It can be done for alot of items we use.There may still be some link to China in one way shape or form but the final product made here
No buying something from the UK that is not mass produced is far better though.It can be done for alot of items we use.There may still be some link to China in one way shape or form but the final product made here
In reply to Post #27
Trouble is they would only buy a couple then copy them and sell them back to us cheaper,
Trouble is they would only buy a couple then copy them and sell them back to us cheaper,
In reply to Post #30
The thing that makes me laugh is you not reading the post properly
A That was never suggested, GOING FORWARD I would prefer to buy non chinese
B im pleased you have found humour in the pandemic, deaths and failed business.
C Again, that was not mentioned or implied,
I have always had a dislike for the lack of ethics, morality and general attitude of china.
The disrespect they show wildlife is horrific
Powdered tiger penis, live pangolins etc
I, and many others clearly, would PREFER to not use anything from China
FROM NOW ON
The thing that makes me laugh is you not reading the post properly
A That was never suggested, GOING FORWARD I would prefer to buy non chinese
B im pleased you have found humour in the pandemic, deaths and failed business.
C Again, that was not mentioned or implied,
I have always had a dislike for the lack of ethics, morality and general attitude of china.
The disrespect they show wildlife is horrific
Powdered tiger penis, live pangolins etc
I, and many others clearly, would PREFER to not use anything from China
FROM NOW ON
In reply to Post #15
Mal, trump doesn't bomb people! You may or may not of noticed he removes troops from war zones!! Much to the houses annoyance as war is money!!!
Mal, trump doesn't bomb people! You may or may not of noticed he removes troops from war zones!! Much to the houses annoyance as war is money!!!
In reply to Post #36
Well said
Not to mention how they exploit their people too!!!
Well said
Not to mention how they exploit their people too!!!
In reply to Post #37
Much to the annoyance of his allies also. Military presence gains you influence in area's. When Uncle Trump moves the troops out, the Russian, Iranian, Chinese and religious zealots "influencers" move in. Upto you if you think that's a good thing.
Much to the annoyance of his allies also. Military presence gains you influence in area's. When Uncle Trump moves the troops out, the Russian, Iranian, Chinese and religious zealots "influencers" move in. Upto you if you think that's a good thing.
In reply to Post #36
You do what you feel you have to. I prefer not to tar 1.4 billion people with the same brush.
Saying I found humor in the pandemic, deaths and failed businesses is clearly not the case and offensive, as is your xenophobia.
You do what you feel you have to. I prefer not to tar 1.4 billion people with the same brush.
Saying I found humor in the pandemic, deaths and failed businesses is clearly not the case and offensive, as is your xenophobia.
In reply to Post #39
Maybe trump doesn't want the American tax payer paying to police the world.
Maybe trump doesn't want the American tax payer paying to police the world.
In reply to Post #40
How do you expect people to feel,people are losing loved ones all over the world.Whether you like it or not it started in China and they lied about it.How it started,when it started and did nothing to contain it and warn the rest of the world.The doctor that did speak up,well we all know what happened to him
How do you expect people to feel,people are losing loved ones all over the world.Whether you like it or not it started in China and they lied about it.How it started,when it started and did nothing to contain it and warn the rest of the world.The doctor that did speak up,well we all know what happened to him
In reply to Post #41
His prerogative and the Americans who voted for him. If they don't want to lead fair enough, go into splendid isolation again. Vacuums don't last long though.
His prerogative and the Americans who voted for him. If they don't want to lead fair enough, go into splendid isolation again. Vacuums don't last long though.
In reply to Post #42
an intersting thought harrison cotswold century freespirit all uk manufacturers ?
if im not mistaken dont they get there carbon from china to make rods
an intersting thought harrison cotswold century freespirit all uk manufacturers ?
if im not mistaken dont they get there carbon from china to make rods
In reply to Post #44
I'm not sure perhaps they do?
We're not going to be able to 100% avoid buying from China but we could cut it down to a minimum if that's what we decide is the best thing to do.
I'm not sure perhaps they do?
We're not going to be able to 100% avoid buying from China but we could cut it down to a minimum if that's what we decide is the best thing to do.
I don't think there is the slightest possibility of a boycott voluntary or otherwise, of Chinese products. I was under the impression but will apologise humbly if I am wrong, but don't Free Spirit build their rods in the UK on imported blanks, hardly made in England.
In reply to Post #44
If they use the best - "Toray" then that's Japanese made, but I remember a boss of a UK Rod manufacturer once telling me the South Korean Carbon was becoming the best - was few years ago thou.
If they use the best - "Toray" then that's Japanese made, but I remember a boss of a UK Rod manufacturer once telling me the South Korean Carbon was becoming the best - was few years ago thou.
In reply to Post #39
I think it's a good thing, Russia and Putin are neutrals who have been blamed for most things and seen as a threat by previous US administrations to keep the public thinking there protecting them! Similar to N Korea which is a CIA state in reality!
I think it's a good thing, Russia and Putin are neutrals who have been blamed for most things and seen as a threat by previous US administrations to keep the public thinking there protecting them! Similar to N Korea which is a CIA state in reality!
In reply to Post #47
Looks like they probably do LINK
The fact they have a table showing the properties with a link to the Toray website is probably a clue
Looks like they probably do LINK
The fact they have a table showing the properties with a link to the Toray website is probably a clue
wonder if the government would consider a 'Made In Britain' accreditation scheme with sensible qualification clauses. Something like at least 50% of the materials sourced within the UK and 75% of the manufacture, something like that. They could even have a rating system say A (100% British sourced and made), B (50%) and C (25%). Something like that. Yes there would need to be a Standard written and an auditing body etc but I think many people would buy into that.
In reply to Post #50
Loads of people would probably have to involuntarily buy into it.
Remember it cost 5 million just for some poxy letters from no.10
What would that system set the taxpayer back and how many loopholes would they leave for fellow golf and country club members to exploit
Loads of people would probably have to involuntarily buy into it.
Remember it cost 5 million just for some poxy letters from no.10
What would that system set the taxpayer back and how many loopholes would they leave for fellow golf and country club members to exploit
In reply to Post #50
“Made in Britain” is not a problem, but materials can only be obtained from the location they are sourced.
Bit like this example – I drink Yorkshire tea, but there are no Tea plantations in Yorkshire, but there is the skill/experience to take a raw ingredient and make it into something special
“Made in Britain” is not a problem, but materials can only be obtained from the location they are sourced.
Bit like this example – I drink Yorkshire tea, but there are no Tea plantations in Yorkshire, but there is the skill/experience to take a raw ingredient and make it into something special
In reply to Post #51
I'm guessing that moving even 5% of production from China to UK is just impossible.
I'd doubt we have the workforce or infrastructure.
Also, feelings might be high at the moment but give it 6 months after the peak and people will just go back to buying Chinese made because it's cheaper.
I'm guessing that moving even 5% of production from China to UK is just impossible.
I'd doubt we have the workforce or infrastructure.
Also, feelings might be high at the moment but give it 6 months after the peak and people will just go back to buying Chinese made because it's cheaper.
In reply to Post #53
I don't think so – this is different, I speak to many firms on a weekly basis (None fishing related) and all of them are “Frightened” of the sheer influx of work that's been brought back to the UK, and these are companies with very full orders books anyway, but they will cope I'm sure.
This unnecessary Covid pandemic is the one that really has “Broke the Camel's back!” as regards China.
I don't think so – this is different, I speak to many firms on a weekly basis (None fishing related) and all of them are “Frightened” of the sheer influx of work that's been brought back to the UK, and these are companies with very full orders books anyway, but they will cope I'm sure.
This unnecessary Covid pandemic is the one that really has “Broke the Camel's back!” as regards China.
In reply to Post #40
Dp
Dp
In reply to Post #40
I certainly do NOT require permission from you to carry on or otherwise.
Nobody has stated or implied anywhere that every person in china is responsible, there is no tarred brush.
And nobody is being xenophobic.
You are trying over emotional social justice warrior non sense and getting absolutely nowhere.
The appalling condition live animals are treated in china is a disgrace to nature.
It should stop.
I certainly do NOT require permission from you to carry on or otherwise.
Nobody has stated or implied anywhere that every person in china is responsible, there is no tarred brush.
And nobody is being xenophobic.
You are trying over emotional social justice warrior non sense and getting absolutely nowhere.
The appalling condition live animals are treated in china is a disgrace to nature.
It should stop.
In reply to Post #54
I really hope you're right Keith
I really hope you're right Keith
In reply to Post #52
What piece of fishing gear would fall in that tea section?
What piece of fishing gear would fall in that tea section?
In reply to Post #57
I hope you're right mate. To be honest there will still be demand for cheap tackle, but it doesn't have to come from China. Plenty of other places around the world that manufacturing can shift to. And it will.
I will not knowingly buy Chinese though for the future. It's not just this pandemic...it's human rights, animal rights etc etc. **** them.
I hope you're right mate. To be honest there will still be demand for cheap tackle, but it doesn't have to come from China. Plenty of other places around the world that manufacturing can shift to. And it will.
I will not knowingly buy Chinese though for the future. It's not just this pandemic...it's human rights, animal rights etc etc. **** them.
In reply to Post #59
Obviously all that is made with materials not available in the Country that the product in manufactured, be it UK, France, and Germany etc.............
If you want the best Cork for a Rod's handle you go Portugal.
If you want Titanium you go Russia or China, there's no Titanium mines in Europe.
If you want good Whisky you go Scotland and proper Tweed.
That's reality.
Obviously all that is made with materials not available in the Country that the product in manufactured, be it UK, France, and Germany etc.............
If you want the best Cork for a Rod's handle you go Portugal.
If you want Titanium you go Russia or China, there's no Titanium mines in Europe.
If you want good Whisky you go Scotland and proper Tweed.
That's reality.
Can I make a suggestion without - hopefully - causing offence?
Uk carp anglers not buying some fishing tackle won't affect the Chinese economy. It's - excuse the pun - a drop in the ocean. And if the factory that makes blanks or whatever sees a decline in trade they'll simply diversify and make something else. This is business. They won't shut up shop because Nash or whoever stop ordering...
So - if this whole thing has made you more aware and you have a new found desire to make a positive impact in countries with poor human and animal rights records, find a body that fights this and donate.
Amnesty international is a good place to start. As is the Worldwide Fund For Nature / WWF.
Maybe do both. Stop buying goods that are from the places you disapprove of AND donate to those who actively fight them on a day to day basis.
Try matched funding. For every quid you spend on bait, make a like for like donation.
It's just a thought.
Peace and love
Uk carp anglers not buying some fishing tackle won't affect the Chinese economy. It's - excuse the pun - a drop in the ocean. And if the factory that makes blanks or whatever sees a decline in trade they'll simply diversify and make something else. This is business. They won't shut up shop because Nash or whoever stop ordering...
So - if this whole thing has made you more aware and you have a new found desire to make a positive impact in countries with poor human and animal rights records, find a body that fights this and donate.
Amnesty international is a good place to start. As is the Worldwide Fund For Nature / WWF.
Maybe do both. Stop buying goods that are from the places you disapprove of AND donate to those who actively fight them on a day to day basis.
Try matched funding. For every quid you spend on bait, make a like for like donation.
It's just a thought.
Peace and love
In reply to Post #62
What is left in hospitals at the moment if nhs stops buying in china? All europe is extremely dependant on med stuff from china... Hopefully this will this will sober up people but I doubt as it is all about profits...
What is left in hospitals at the moment if nhs stops buying in china? All europe is extremely dependant on med stuff from china... Hopefully this will this will sober up people but I doubt as it is all about profits...
In reply to Post #63
You are right of course but maybe things will be a little different in the future?
You are right of course but maybe things will be a little different in the future?
In reply to Post #64
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