I've been saying for years we need a new technology in bite alarms. I see these guys came up with something new.
https://bytealarms.com/
Did anyone at Brentwood see them? What are your thoughts?
Brutal market to break into. They have a job on their hands.
https://bytealarms.com/
Did anyone at Brentwood see them? What are your thoughts?
Brutal market to break into. They have a job on their hands.
In reply to Post #1
The 'stylus' on those looks like a line shredder for starters
The 'stylus' on those looks like a line shredder for starters
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Look like they are incredible bits of kit. I am sure pricing will reflect the technology though.
Probably the least fishy related thing to pick up on but the logo & speaker on the alarm looks like an Illuminati logo!!
Look like they are incredible bits of kit. I am sure pricing will reflect the technology though.
Probably the least fishy related thing to pick up on but the logo & speaker on the alarm looks like an Illuminati logo!!
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Must admit I considered that but reading the blurb if they're smart enough to figure all that out I'm pretty sure they've made sure it's line friendly. I'm guessing the stylus' will be de-burred and maybe even flexible. I guess it's no worse than a delkim which uses what looks like some kind of ceramic which if anything will be more abrasive.
Must admit I considered that but reading the blurb if they're smart enough to figure all that out I'm pretty sure they've made sure it's line friendly. I'm guessing the stylus' will be de-burred and maybe even flexible. I guess it's no worse than a delkim which uses what looks like some kind of ceramic which if anything will be more abrasive.
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Agree, pricing will be a big one. I think they'll struggle to sell at RX+/TXI-D prices with no reputation behind them.
I am loving the tension sensing, looks like it works by sensing movement on the outer stylus' against the central one. The programming would have to be the nuts to prevent false beeps though.
Agree, pricing will be a big one. I think they'll struggle to sell at RX+/TXI-D prices with no reputation behind them.
I am loving the tension sensing, looks like it works by sensing movement on the outer stylus' against the central one. The programming would have to be the nuts to prevent false beeps though.
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Anyone who knows me will confirm that I'm very much function over form, but by crikey these would test even me. I haven't seen anything so ugly since I last looked in the mirror.
They do 'look' very interesting though.
Anyone who knows me will confirm that I'm very much function over form, but by crikey these would test even me. I haven't seen anything so ugly since I last looked in the mirror.
They do 'look' very interesting though.
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I know mate. It's odd how tackle firms really struggle to design decent looking alarms.
I know mate. It's odd how tackle firms really struggle to design decent looking alarms.
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My R3's are far from pretty, but compared with those they're beauts.
My R3's are far from pretty, but compared with those they're beauts.
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Yeah i think the tech seems to be pretty spot on but with the tensioning thing there is going to be plenty of big pit guys that have to battle undertow and these will be picking it up, even on the least sensitive setting. Wonder if you can turn it on and off, doesnt seem like it but could be a huge negative for big pit and river anglers?
Yeah i think the tech seems to be pretty spot on but with the tensioning thing there is going to be plenty of big pit guys that have to battle undertow and these will be picking it up, even on the least sensitive setting. Wonder if you can turn it on and off, doesnt seem like it but could be a huge negative for big pit and river anglers?
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You can turn it off manually or have it on automatic adjustment. I struggle to see how that would work, I can't see how any algorithm could detect the effects of changing conditions. I'll be well impressed if they can though.
You can turn it off manually or have it on automatic adjustment. I struggle to see how that would work, I can't see how any algorithm could detect the effects of changing conditions. I'll be well impressed if they can though.
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Maybe I should read properly - direct quote from the website
"The Dynamic Force Sensor excels at filtering out bites from ‘false-positives' caused by rain, wind, waves and water currents and can detect and respond to a wide variety of sensor inputs related to acceleration, rate of change, rhythmic patterns, etc."
So it seems it can detect what's false and what isn't, but like you said that seems impossible unless you put a node in the water to the alarm know the flow rate, tow rate, or whatever? If the tech allows this sensor to know the difference between a carp tightening the line as opposed to a sinking leaf touching it then these are truly something of a miracle alarm. Like I mentioned before though, that sort of tech will not come at a cheap price.
Maybe I should read properly - direct quote from the website
"The Dynamic Force Sensor excels at filtering out bites from ‘false-positives' caused by rain, wind, waves and water currents and can detect and respond to a wide variety of sensor inputs related to acceleration, rate of change, rhythmic patterns, etc."
So it seems it can detect what's false and what isn't, but like you said that seems impossible unless you put a node in the water to the alarm know the flow rate, tow rate, or whatever? If the tech allows this sensor to know the difference between a carp tightening the line as opposed to a sinking leaf touching it then these are truly something of a miracle alarm. Like I mentioned before though, that sort of tech will not come at a cheap price.
Do people really need this level of sensitivity?
Pike/perch fishing etc with free running leads on small still waters on still days yes I can see an advantage.
But for general carp fishing I think it would be more of a hindrance than a help.
That said I've always used rollers wheels and who knows how many fish I've lost by not hovering over my rods day and night and hitting every single tremor of the line...
Pike/perch fishing etc with free running leads on small still waters on still days yes I can see an advantage.
But for general carp fishing I think it would be more of a hindrance than a help.
That said I've always used rollers wheels and who knows how many fish I've lost by not hovering over my rods day and night and hitting every single tremor of the line...
Wasn't the Nash Siren supposed to detect drift from bites etc? Mine didn't seem that special and got moved on after a couple of months.
The Bytes certainly won't win any beauty contests, they have a lopsided, deformed look about them - I can fully understand the illuminati reference (after googling illuminati that is). But it's all down to performance and I would love a play with a set.......
.... can't see me switching my RX+'s any time soon though.
The Bytes certainly won't win any beauty contests, they have a lopsided, deformed look about them - I can fully understand the illuminati reference (after googling illuminati that is). But it's all down to performance and I would love a play with a set.......
.... can't see me switching my RX+'s any time soon though.
I do like the sound of the technology but 5 buttons is too many for me.
I like the simplicity of my Fox RX's (the original ones)
I like the simplicity of my Fox RX's (the original ones)
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Surely by the time that ANY bite alarm sounds, the fish is hooked?
You don't see many people fishing for twitchers these days!
From that point of view, a £15 alarm is as good as a £150 alarm.
Surely by the time that ANY bite alarm sounds, the fish is hooked?
You don't see many people fishing for twitchers these days!
From that point of view, a £15 alarm is as good as a £150 alarm.
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Patents still pending, company registered in 2016
Looks to me like a hobbyist.
Unless they get some serious cash behind them and the ergonomics of the product improved I can't see them making a dent on what has become a crowded market.
Patents still pending, company registered in 2016
Looks to me like a hobbyist.
Unless they get some serious cash behind them and the ergonomics of the product improved I can't see them making a dent on what has become a crowded market.
yeah the new outdoor delkim will make it tough for them
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Stylus made from stainless steel, no doubt it will be robust but line running against steel 304 or 316?, I'm out...
Doesn't look like they made much of an impression as a few lads were at the show according to the Brentwood thread but no feedback on these.
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Bite alarms were originally made by hobbyist Dick Walker and many - no most of the improvements over the years have come from hobbyists of one sort or another. But find a niche in a market where £120 will get you a reliable set of three plus a good sounder right up to the named whistle and bell outfits, that's where the problem lies.
Maybe, just maybe the Byte will blow us away....... maybe.
Bite alarms were originally made by hobbyist Dick Walker and many - no most of the improvements over the years have come from hobbyists of one sort or another. But find a niche in a market where £120 will get you a reliable set of three plus a good sounder right up to the named whistle and bell outfits, that's where the problem lies.
Maybe, just maybe the Byte will blow us away....... maybe.
In reply to Post #20
There presence was literally 3 alarms on banksticks on a canteen type table in the passage way between the marquee's ... no signage or blurb in sight
There presence was literally 3 alarms on banksticks on a canteen type table in the passage way between the marquee's ... no signage or blurb in sight
In reply to Post #22
Did you check them out no?
Did you check them out no?
In reply to Post #23
I didn't mate. Im not at all in the market for new alarms and tbh the stall was less than welcoming.
I didn't mate. Im not at all in the market for new alarms and tbh the stall was less than welcoming.
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I'm not surprised a small scale start up that has not even sold a single product yet didn't spend a lot of money on a fancy stall and pay the premium for a 'hot' stall location at a big show. Looking at other show exhibitors lists it doesn't look like they are at any others either.
Hopefully more info on social media coming soon and opportunity for people to view the in the flesh and see what they are about
I'm not surprised a small scale start up that has not even sold a single product yet didn't spend a lot of money on a fancy stall and pay the premium for a 'hot' stall location at a big show. Looking at other show exhibitors lists it doesn't look like they are at any others either.
Hopefully more info on social media coming soon and opportunity for people to view the in the flesh and see what they are about
Steve from ByteAlarms will be on soon to answer questions...
In reply to Post #27
Nice.
Nice.
These had completely passed me by. So I just looked up their Facebook page. They look awful. So cluttered. Zig zags and lines all over them. All the dials and leds shoved over one side. A right mishmash of styles. Way too many buttons crammed together. In fact way too many buttons full stop. And why are the screws silver/stainless? Most manufacturers try to hide the fixings holding stuff together?
They make the nonsense buttons of the txi-d look minimalist.
I wish you all the best but for those reasons, I'm out.
They make the nonsense buttons of the txi-d look minimalist.
I wish you all the best but for those reasons, I'm out.
In reply to Post #29
In other words they don't look 'nice' so they're ****?
In other words they don't look 'nice' so they're ****?
I like em I also like the fact people are still looking to innovate in what is such a competitive market
I also like the fact people are still looking to innovate in what is such a competitive market
I must be wierd I think because I actually quite like them lol but then again I like my sonik skx alarms and most people think they are ugly.
In reply to Post #30
I can't see at any point in Wayne's post where he says they are ****,he just mentions why he would not buy them
I can't see at any point in Wayne's post where he says they are ****,he just mentions why he would not buy them
In reply to Post #31
Agree. Until very recently all we had were rollers that can freeze and delks that weren't waterproof. The new delks fixed that by the looks of it but for me the market has been in desperate need of a new player to push things forward with a different concept entirely. It is great to see someone trying to do that imo.
I couldn't care less what they look like.
Agree. Until very recently all we had were rollers that can freeze and delks that weren't waterproof. The new delks fixed that by the looks of it but for me the market has been in desperate need of a new player to push things forward with a different concept entirely. It is great to see someone trying to do that imo.
I couldn't care less what they look like.
I couldn't give a monkeys what a bite alarm looks like, much more interested in what happens inside and that they go beep when they should. And I probably spend about 30 seconds a session using the dials.
Be interested to hear more about what these can do.
Be interested to hear more about what these can do.
In reply to Post #34
Bring back these I say I'm very happy I managed to get a "as new" set and I do love using them, but I wouldn't call them good looking, I don't think any alarms are really!
Bring back these I say
I'm very happy I managed to get a "as new" set and I do love using them, but I wouldn't call them good looking, I don't think any alarms are really!
In reply to Post #36
Carp spirit is the old ace,I'm not sure the alarms now have same spec as these though
Carp spirit is the old ace,I'm not sure the alarms now have same spec as these though
In reply to Post #37
Carp Spirit are just roller, no vibro, I believe. In which case they wouldn't be that special
Carp Spirit are just roller, no vibro, I believe. In which case they wouldn't be that special
In reply to Post #38
Was it the Ace alarm that got pulled from production due to a copyright infringement of a Fox alarm?
Was it the Ace alarm that got pulled from production due to a copyright infringement of a Fox alarm?
In reply to Post #39
I'm not clued up on all the ins and outs, but believe you are correct or along the correct lines
I'm not clued up on all the ins and outs, but believe you are correct or along the correct lines
In reply to Post #39
I thought it was the delk patent that had been infringed no?
I thought it was the delk patent that had been infringed no?
In reply to Post #41
I thought it was something to do with somebody who worked at Fox who went to Ace and it was something copied.
I thought it was something to do with somebody who worked at Fox who went to Ace and it was something copied.
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I'm still waiting for an alarm that connects with bluetooth to an ear piece or hearing aids, its got to be better than hearing someone turning their Delk receiver on and off several times a day, isn't it?
In reply to Post #42
You're thinking of Max Cottis. He was married to Cliff Fox's daughter and the man behind the Ace alarm, so I was told. Apparently he had been working on the concept whilst at Fox.
You're thinking of Max Cottis. He was married to Cliff Fox's daughter and the man behind the Ace alarm, so I was told. Apparently he had been working on the concept whilst at Fox.
In reply to Post #44
You can do that with the new direction alarms via a phone
You can do that with the new direction alarms via a phone
In reply to Post #46
I knew they have bluetooth Steve but I didn't know they connected to a phone, my hearing aids connect via B T so I can hear anything in my aids from the phone but nobody else can, that's what I meant, just me to hear the alarms.
I knew they have bluetooth Steve but I didn't know they connected to a phone, my hearing aids connect via B T so I can hear anything in my aids from the phone but nobody else can, that's what I meant, just me to hear the alarms.
In reply to Post #47
The adverts and reviews barely mention it Jim, but both the K9 and S9 alarms will connect to your phone easily. You can adjust tone, sensitivity etc through that way. I used my headphones through my phone on one session, in the way you are suggesting, and it worked fine but I prefer using the vibration setting on the phone and receiver. I had the S9 set as an Xmas treat, I haven't succeeded in getting a bite with it yet but I imagine it works as well as my K9 alarms
The adverts and reviews barely mention it Jim, but both the K9 and S9 alarms will connect to your phone easily. You can adjust tone, sensitivity etc through that way. I used my headphones through my phone on one session, in the way you are suggesting, and it worked fine but I prefer using the vibration setting on the phone and receiver. I had the S9 set as an Xmas treat, I haven't succeeded in getting a bite with it yet but I imagine it works as well as my K9 alarms
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Would be brilliant,my hearing aid has Bluetooth (bone anchor H-A) I wonder could a Bluetooth transmitter be retro fitted to a buzzer so it can connect to a hearing aid that Bluetooth connectivity? 🤔
Would be brilliant,my hearing aid has Bluetooth (bone anchor H-A) I wonder could a Bluetooth transmitter be retro fitted to a buzzer so it can connect to a hearing aid that Bluetooth connectivity? 🤔
In reply to Post #50
Just remembered Des, I have an accessory which they call a Mic, it has a 3.5 jack socket so it can be connected to the TV or any other source of audio, it transmits the sound to my aids, if you are only using 1 alarm I can see this may work, BUT if you are using more you may need a 2 or 3 into 1 lead as you can only connect to 1 thing at a time, I will give it a try at some point and post the results.
Just tried my theory out on the Fox NTX alarms, plugged the 3.5 jack plug into the NTX
and the other end into the"mic" turned everything on, instead of getting a bleep it was a clicking sound
Oh well back to the drawing board
Just remembered Des, I have an accessory which they call a Mic, it has a 3.5 jack socket so it can be connected to the TV or any other source of audio, it transmits the sound to my aids, if you are only using 1 alarm I can see this may work, BUT if you are using more you may need a 2 or 3 into 1 lead as you can only connect to 1 thing at a time, I will give it a try at some point and post the results.
Just tried my theory out on the Fox NTX alarms, plugged the 3.5 jack plug into the NTX
and the other end into the"mic" turned everything on, instead of getting a bleep it was a clicking sound
Oh well back to the drawing board
In reply to Post #42
No, Fox decided to enforce an obscure Patent claim on ACE to try to stop the launch of the i-3. They failed.
No, Fox decided to enforce an obscure Patent claim on ACE to try to stop the launch of the i-3. They failed.
In reply to Post #37
Carp spirit has none of the i-3 tech.
Carp spirit has none of the i-3 tech.
So they updated their website to include this other crazy system.
https://bytealarms.com/byte-optima/
https://bytealarms.com/byte-optima/
I had a look at these at the northern angling show,very very technical,the weight of the line is measured,the heads that are cast out near your hook link transmits movement to the alarm head..he wouldnt commit to price but says he is using this set up.
In reply to Post #54
Surely it can't come with all of those wires?!
Surely it can't come with all of those wires?!
In reply to Post #55
There's no way you'd see me carrying all that around but I am still interested in the alarm/receiver. There's no info on pricing anywhere though.
There's no way you'd see me carrying all that around but I am still interested in the alarm/receiver. There's no info on pricing anywhere though.
In reply to Post #56
The cables are just for recharging mate, it's all remote.
I think?
The cables are just for recharging mate, it's all remote.
I think?
yep,the 4 hooklinks on the left of the picture have sensors on them,the big black transducer type thing next to the hook links gets thrown in the margins,this receives the signals from the sensors on the hook links,he did say how much movement is required to register on the alarm head but I cant remember tbh.
the alarm head itself measures weight of the line,movement of the rod aswell as all the usual line movements.
the alarm head itself measures weight of the line,movement of the rod aswell as all the usual line movements.
In reply to Post #58
the alarms can be used without the margin receiver and hook link sensors without all the wires
the alarms can be used without the margin receiver and hook link sensors without all the wires
In reply to Post #59
1cm movement I believe.
1cm movement I believe.
yes just read that on the website,1cm and the range of the heads to the underwater receiver 150m,I asked about if you crack off and he said the tx heads by the hook link would be available separately...not daft is he...he said he had no idea about price to me an my mate
In reply to Post #62
Can't be much of a business plan if he's got this far and has no idea on price lol. I'll bet he knows exactly how much they'll need to sell for.
Can't be much of a business plan if he's got this far and has no idea on price lol. I'll bet he knows exactly how much they'll need to sell for.
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he must know,I think he was too scared to even mention it,he was getting some grief off the local asbos when I was there,I listened to what he had to say,but these blokes barged in as he was half way through delivering his information and basically just mouthed off and shot him down. they were mouthing off saying what's carping coming to and its ruining carp fishing...they looked about 20!!!
the guy did say he uses the actual set up in the picture on the website and says it works like nothing else out there. he claimed the alarm heads on their own are more advanced than any alarm out there now,even the new delkims.
he must know,I think he was too scared to even mention it,he was getting some grief off the local asbos when I was there,I listened to what he had to say,but these blokes barged in as he was half way through delivering his information and basically just mouthed off and shot him down. they were mouthing off saying what's carping coming to and its ruining carp fishing...they looked about 20!!!
the guy did say he uses the actual set up in the picture on the website and says it works like nothing else out there. he claimed the alarm heads on their own are more advanced than any alarm out there now,even the new delkims.
In reply to Post #64
Nah, it's 20 year old asbos that think they know everything that's ruining it lol.
Nah, it's 20 year old asbos that think they know everything that's ruining it lol.
In reply to Post #54
cant see them being any good fishing in or around weed as surely it'll just snarl up in weed and cause you an issue??
Interesting idea, He will be at Stonleigh at the weekend I believe so will have a chat
cant see them being any good fishing in or around weed as surely it'll just snarl up in weed and cause you an issue??
Interesting idea, He will be at Stonleigh at the weekend I believe so will have a chat
Look at the size of the receiver thingy that you have to drop in the margins, for scale that's an alarm head in the foreground. Seriously who's gonna lug that lot around?
Either I'm seriously missing something here, and I'm prepared to accept I might be, or this might just be one of the most crack pot ideas to emerge in carp fishing in the last decade.
So unless I'm mistaken, these transmitters and receivers and supa technical alarm heads etc are designed to tell you the leads moved? You mean just like a twenty quid fox microns been doing for twenty five years?
And all this extra weight and faffing about and charging stuff up and lugging round a large breifcased sized box gives you the ability to eliminate false bleeps? Like every alarm with a sensitivity dial can already do?
I don't know anything about the guy that's invented this contraption, but I'm willing to guess he's got mad white hair and that he invented this after he slipped and banged his head on a toilet. If anyone spoke to him at a show, did he mention a flux capacitor?
In reply to Post #59
Anyone ever reads Martin Lawrence's 2nd bivvy tramps book the ultimate rig
All that's missing is the video link To the computer monitor to say set the hook
Lmao
Anyone ever reads Martin Lawrence's 2nd bivvy tramps book the ultimate rig
All that's missing is the video link To the computer monitor to say set the hook
Lmao
In reply to Post #67
Agree, the underwater gubbins solve a problem that never existed. I cannot see anyone being interested in that. But the alarms look good imo.
Agree, the underwater gubbins solve a problem that never existed. I cannot see anyone being interested in that. But the alarms look good imo.
In reply to Post #67
no flux capacitor lol,he did come across a little eccentric. he did say he uses this system and it works really well (he would though wouldnt he)
he also stated that the alarm heads alone are more technologically advanced than any other alarm out there at the minute. if anyone gets chance to speak to him at the next show have a chat with him,he seems a nice genuine guy.
no flux capacitor lol,he did come across a little eccentric. he did say he uses this system and it works really well (he would though wouldnt he)
he also stated that the alarm heads alone are more technologically advanced than any other alarm out there at the minute. if anyone gets chance to speak to him at the next show have a chat with him,he seems a nice genuine guy.
In reply to Post #70
Great Scott!
Great Scott!
In reply to Post #64
they were mouthing off saying what's carping coming to and its ruining carp fishing...they looked about 20!!!
They will be the slim belly KIR Brigade.......
they were mouthing off saying what's carping coming to and its ruining carp fishing...they looked about 20!!!
They will be the slim belly KIR Brigade.......
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"they were mouthing off saying what's carping coming to and its ruining carp fishing...they looked about 20!!!"
They sound like a bunch of rude arrogant idiots who need a good slap to me!
"they were mouthing off saying what's carping coming to and its ruining carp fishing...they looked about 20!!!"
They sound like a bunch of rude arrogant idiots who need a good slap to me!
Design over function. Maybe the Orientals will make it smaller, lighter and cheaper - but I still wouldn't buy it.
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