Took a walk round a local water today and witnessed two blokes going out in a boat, standing not sitting with all the usual heavy winter gear on BUT, no life jackets.
There is always one as the saying goes, but two in this case.
There is always one as the saying goes, but two in this case.
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Darwins finest
Darwins finest
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The senseless fools are not just putting their lives at risk but also anyone who tries to rescue them if they go overboard.
Fools.
The senseless fools are not just putting their lives at risk but also anyone who tries to rescue them if they go overboard.
Fools.
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I was on a work party this weekend and a guy was out in the boat all day over 18-22 ft of ice cold water without a life jacket. He was offered it several times but declined. Seemed a nice guy but if he'd gone in I wouldn't have been going in after him. I was tempted to remind him of a certain savay work party but decided to keep my mouth shut.
I was on a work party this weekend and a guy was out in the boat all day over 18-22 ft of ice cold water without a life jacket. He was offered it several times but declined. Seemed a nice guy but if he'd gone in I wouldn't have been going in after him. I was tempted to remind him of a certain savay work party but decided to keep my mouth shut.
Anyone remember the sad story of Mark and Mark on Wrasbury about ten years ago?
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I would not risk my life for one of what I call the T.F.S if someone is so stupid to act in that way then it is to be hoped that they fail to procreate and continue to pollute the gene pool.
I would not risk my life for one of what I call the T.F.S if someone is so stupid to act in that way then it is to be hoped that they fail to procreate and continue to pollute the gene pool.
Deserves an instant lifetime ban for so many reasons.
Boats on our lakes are only allowed on work parties, and then it's compulsory to wear lifejackets.
These plonkers think they're macho, but in reality they just show they're idiotic and selfish. I bet their wives and children would want them to wear lifejackets!
These plonkers think they're macho, but in reality they just show they're idiotic and selfish. I bet their wives and children would want them to wear lifejackets!
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Do-Gooders; Can't stand 'em.
If you actually use COMMON SENSE you don't need a life jacket on most waters.
You actually get some W*NKERS moaning people don't have life jackets on lakes rthat are no deeper than 5 feet.
The world has gone mad.
Do-Gooders; Can't stand 'em.
If you actually use COMMON SENSE you don't need a life jacket on most waters.
You actually get some W*NKERS moaning people don't have life jackets on lakes rthat are no deeper than 5 feet.
The world has gone mad.
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Blooming idiots!
That water is freezing, quite literally. If they had fallen in, the body would have shut down. A life jacket gives you the chance of survival in these temperatures.
Even on my lake if I'm in the boat tied to the bank while trimming trees I still wear a life jacket. It only takes one slip to end your life.
I've been on big reservoirs in a boat, wind makes waves reaching 3/4 feet high, fall in that without a life jacket and it is goodbye.
Blooming idiots!
That water is freezing, quite literally. If they had fallen in, the body would have shut down. A life jacket gives you the chance of survival in these temperatures.
Even on my lake if I'm in the boat tied to the bank while trimming trees I still wear a life jacket. It only takes one slip to end your life.
I've been on big reservoirs in a boat, wind makes waves reaching 3/4 feet high, fall in that without a life jacket and it is goodbye.
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Do gooders?? Are you serious? One boat fatality is one too many. Life jackets /preservers/buoyancy aids..call them what you want SAVE LIVES....PERIOD. One slip in the boat, hit your head hard enough to KO yoursellfand you can drown in 6 inches of water if you go face down....Depth is irrelevant..... Let's hope you never need pulling out.... The only thing mad is your attitude
Andy
Do gooders?? Are you serious? One boat fatality is one too many. Life jackets /preservers/buoyancy aids..call them what you want SAVE LIVES....PERIOD. One slip in the boat, hit your head hard enough to KO yoursellfand you can drown in 6 inches of water if you go face down....Depth is irrelevant..... Let's hope you never need pulling out.... The only thing mad is your attitude
Andy
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Just ignore him, he does it for the reaction.
Just ignore him, he does it for the reaction.
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And you will very occasionally get "a little man in a boat with no paddles"
And you will very occasionally get "a little man in a boat with no paddles"
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Danny You plonker...drowning is a bad way to end it...
Danny You plonker...drowning is a bad way to end it...
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sorry mate you are so wrong if you think a small dinghy is safe on any water,no matter how deep.all about complaicancy.my mate drowned on the river just before xmas.he worked on the river all his life and lived on a boat too.dont get into 'it wont happen to me mode' accidents can and do happen ,dont let them turn into tradegies.its been a wake up call for all of us who work on water mate.its not a macho thing,fact life jackets save lives.
sorry mate you are so wrong if you think a small dinghy is safe on any water,no matter how deep.all about complaicancy.my mate drowned on the river just before xmas.he worked on the river all his life and lived on a boat too.dont get into 'it wont happen to me mode' accidents can and do happen ,dont let them turn into tradegies.its been a wake up call for all of us who work on water mate.its not a macho thing,fact life jackets save lives.
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You have just proved what a knob you are...
You have just proved what a knob you are...
If people want to stupidly risk their own lives then so be it, the gene pool is better off without them IMO.
Bloke out Newbury was fishing with his nephew back in 2004. He went home to fetch a canoe as he needed to retrieve his bait boat. So he went out in the middle of the night in the canoe leaving his nephew in charge on the rods. After about 2 hours the 14 year nephew got a little concerned as his Uncle had not returned to the bank. He went to find another angler on a neighbouring gravel pit who called the emergency services.
A body was found the following day in the afternoon.
A body was found the following day in the afternoon.
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5ft is plenty deep enough to drown in especially at this time of year, thermal shock, lungs full of water, end ex.
5ft is plenty deep enough to drown in especially at this time of year, thermal shock, lungs full of water, end ex.
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hi guys just to add if anyone is looking for an excellent auto inflation lifejacket i can recomend the mullion compact.i wear one for 12hrs a day at work and its not heavy or restrictive.its really compact and rides higher around the neck than any other self inflating jacket ive seen,making tasks like rowing not so awkward.be safe
cheers
hi guys just to add if anyone is looking for an excellent auto inflation lifejacket i can recomend the mullion compact.i wear one for 12hrs a day at work and its not heavy or restrictive.its really compact and rides higher around the neck than any other self inflating jacket ive seen,making tasks like rowing not so awkward.be safe
cheers
Round this way there has been a big push for shore anglers to wear a life saver,this was started by Henry Gilby..
A lot of people have lost their lives though not wearing one.
My neighbour,next door...went fishing a good few years ago,with a work mate at the time.
The workmate,slipped in retrieving a Trago reel,his body never found,my neighbour has never got over it,he has a massive guilt issue,and drinks heavily to dull the pain..
Personally,now I have lost three friends to the sea fishing,one fishing,one lobster potting,another surfing,and another I just remembered who was scattering his brothers ashes,taken by a big wave,on Trebarwith..
My own brother,ex coastguard...his first call out in the 80s,two people entwined,at Poer Issac bay,shovelled into a bin liner,...non of em wearing life savers..
Chap I work with dealt with the aftermath of a motor boat from Rock/Padstow going round n round,chopping everyone up in its path....
Always ,always wear a life saver...
Its why I don't sea fish on my own...
A lot of people have lost their lives though not wearing one.
My neighbour,next door...went fishing a good few years ago,with a work mate at the time.
The workmate,slipped in retrieving a Trago reel,his body never found,my neighbour has never got over it,he has a massive guilt issue,and drinks heavily to dull the pain..
Personally,now I have lost three friends to the sea fishing,one fishing,one lobster potting,another surfing,and another I just remembered who was scattering his brothers ashes,taken by a big wave,on Trebarwith..
My own brother,ex coastguard...his first call out in the 80s,two people entwined,at Poer Issac bay,shovelled into a bin liner,...non of em wearing life savers..
Chap I work with dealt with the aftermath of a motor boat from Rock/Padstow going round n round,chopping everyone up in its path....
Always ,always wear a life saver...
Its why I don't sea fish on my own...
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TBH if you are wearing chest waders, you should be wearing a life jacket especially if near any drop offs. If they fill up with water, then you may as well be wearing lead shoes!
TBH if you are wearing chest waders, you should be wearing a life jacket especially if near any drop offs. If they fill up with water, then you may as well be wearing lead shoes!
Where I go if you go in a boat without a life jacket you are banned, totally agree with the rule also!
I do not want to find a dead friend floating when I turn up to go fishing.
I do not want to find a dead friend floating when I turn up to go fishing.
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Ever heard of Bude canal....local chap night fishing near the Sharks pool area,overcast started reeling in,couldnt get what ever it was off the line went round the otherside where zuma jay used to be ,or near the area,,,,
he`d hooked a suicide...poor chaps,both of them....
Ever heard of Bude canal....local chap night fishing near the Sharks pool area,overcast started reeling in,couldnt get what ever it was off the line went round the otherside where zuma jay used to be ,or near the area,,,,
he`d hooked a suicide...poor chaps,both of them....
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I've edited this post as I think it fell below my already poor standards.
I've edited this post as I think it fell below my already poor standards.
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Was it a PB?
Was it a PB?
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cant agree more about wading with chest waders ,should be wearing a life jacket
cant agree more about wading with chest waders ,should be wearing a life jacket
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I remember a few years back the guy who owned the tackle shop in Greenford went out into Savay lake on a boat and fell in, he drowned and at the time very few used life jackets
I remember a few years back the guy who owned the tackle shop in Greenford went out into Savay lake on a boat and fell in, he drowned and at the time very few used life jackets
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It doesn't work like that. The water in your waders doesn't weigh any more than the water outside of them. You'll find your feet float to the surface. That's not to say a lifejacket wouldn't be a good idea but you certainly won't sink if your waders fill up.
It doesn't work like that. The water in your waders doesn't weigh any more than the water outside of them. You'll find your feet float to the surface. That's not to say a lifejacket wouldn't be a good idea but you certainly won't sink if your waders fill up.
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Correct. The risk is not being able to pull yourself up a ledge/onto a boat in which case you just take the waders off (or better still not have them on in the first place while boating).
Correct. The risk is not being able to pull yourself up a ledge/onto a boat in which case you just take the waders off (or better still not have them on in the first place while boating).
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The legendary Hugh Falkus displayed many many years ago on one of his fishing programes what happens when you fall into a river wearing waders when he chucked himself in to demonstrate what happens and to give advice to anyone who end up in those circumstances etc
When he raised his arms and hands above his head, he sank like a stone, when he lowered his arms and hands down to his side, he bobbed up like a cork.
Hence why people die, they raise there arms to wave for help, start sinking, thrashing the water in panic with there arms still up and drown.
But, it cannot be denied that people have drowned wearing waders, but like in everything, what was the circumstances.
I for one would not like to be in that predicament.
The legendary Hugh Falkus displayed many many years ago on one of his fishing programes what happens when you fall into a river wearing waders when he chucked himself in to demonstrate what happens and to give advice to anyone who end up in those circumstances etc
When he raised his arms and hands above his head, he sank like a stone, when he lowered his arms and hands down to his side, he bobbed up like a cork.
Hence why people die, they raise there arms to wave for help, start sinking, thrashing the water in panic with there arms still up and drown.
But, it cannot be denied that people have drowned wearing waders, but like in everything, what was the circumstances.
I for one would not like to be in that predicament.
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can only imagine that chest waders with water in them make it difficult to swim or pull yourself back into a boat with all that weight.dont bear thinking about
can only imagine that chest waders with water in them make it difficult to swim or pull yourself back into a boat with all that weight.dont bear thinking about
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Never heard of the guy but there are plenty of videos on YouTube where people demonstrate what happens and there's no sinking involved. The difficulty comes when you try to get out of the water and in the cold temperatures that we're experiencing at the moment, that's a real danger. I've gone over in waders before, way out of my depth and I didn't sink. Just floated/sculled to the margins where I was able to crawl up the bank. Getting back into a boat would be extremely difficult.
Never heard of the guy but there are plenty of videos on YouTube where people demonstrate what happens and there's no sinking involved. The difficulty comes when you try to get out of the water and in the cold temperatures that we're experiencing at the moment, that's a real danger. I've gone over in waders before, way out of my depth and I didn't sink. Just floated/sculled to the margins where I was able to crawl up the bank. Getting back into a boat would be extremely difficult.
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Keith Selleck & Clive Rigsby.
Keith Selleck & Clive Rigsby.
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You can't backstroke or any stroke if your brain shuts your limbs down , which I believe happens in cold water , not straight away of course .
You can't backstroke or any stroke if your brain shuts your limbs down , which I believe happens in cold water , not straight away of course .
Just watched a video on YouTube with one of the names going out in a boat wearing waders and standing up in the boat to cast. No life jacket.
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WRONG! this myth has been busted abour a million times.
WRONG! this myth has been busted abour a million times.
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It's the cold water shock that will kill you.
I know this from a friend who's a open water swimmer if your not used to it - very quickly you can wind up dead.
It's the cold water shock that will kill you.
I know this from a friend who's a open water swimmer if your not used to it - very quickly you can wind up dead.
The 'lead shoe' theory doesn't hold water as previously explained but, if you are wearing a belt and there is air in your waders, they can float and make it difficult for you to manoeuvre. Some American fishing guides carry knives so that if they end up in the drink they can slash the waders and swim normally.
At this time of year the temperature is your worse enemy. It takes your breath away and that can cause panic. Letting your legs float and paddling with your arms will keep you floating all day.... if it's warm enough.
At this time of year the temperature is your worse enemy. It takes your breath away and that can cause panic. Letting your legs float and paddling with your arms will keep you floating all day.... if it's warm enough.
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