https://youtu.be/cp6b_AhxVGI?is=BF-uNYdeKuLdM6bm
Worth a watch this. With the late Alan Taylor and Lee Jackson. Shows how much pressure can be applied with diffrent TC rods with differing actions.
Worth a watch this. With the late Alan Taylor and Lee Jackson. Shows how much pressure can be applied with diffrent TC rods with differing actions.
In reply to Post #17
This old video, its a false comparison.
The stiffer rod has mono line on, and the softer rod has braid on 👎🏻
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This old video, its a false comparison.
The stiffer rod has mono line on, and the softer rod has braid on 👎🏻
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In reply to Post #10
They're really good and well explained. Maybe this is why I've always felt in more control with a higher t/c rod because the length of it isn't as compressed as a rod that arcs around.
They're really good and well explained. Maybe this is why I've always felt in more control with a higher t/c rod because the length of it isn't as compressed as a rod that arcs around.
In reply to Post #18
They do explain that in the video obviously. Stretchy nylon would of no doubt given a slightly less of a reading. But even with the stretch in the nylon. There would still of been more pulling power in a softer rod. Granted not the best thought out video. But the idea is there..
They do explain that in the video obviously. Stretchy nylon would of no doubt given a slightly less of a reading. But even with the stretch in the nylon. There would still of been more pulling power in a softer rod. Granted not the best thought out video. But the idea is there..
Its one of the biggest problems I have found over the years, fishing locked up whilst snag fishing and getting control of a fish immediatley after the take and trying to get the rod up or to the side to take control and using the bend in the rod.
I find it worse fishing to a snag in the middle of a pond, when the fish takes, it can "Run" away from you and despite the fact it cannot take line, it still seems to be going away from you like a "Train" with lots of momentum, probably because of line stretch and the fact, it might be rising up in the water. Because of that, it makes it hard to get your rod up and your easilly "Pointed" resulting in a hook pull or your line "exploding" with an almighty crack. Giving line is not an option as the fish then gets more chance of getting into the snag.
My answer to that issue is if possible, fish with your rods well back from the waters edge. then when you get the rod and pick it up, you can take a couple of steps forward whilst raising the rod, not giving the fish any line etc and maintaining pressure. Trying to fish with about a 45 degree angle was not successful as it was still hard to get the rod up or even out to the side.
Snag fishing up to snags along a bank like rushes and reeds is not so much of a problem so long as they do not come away from the bank too far, the fish can only go so far from you as the bank stops it racing off so it can only go left, right or towards you.
One of my worst experiences was fishing to the edge of a thick reed bed about 10 yards to the right of my swim, I was sat watching my rod, from directly behind it, all of a sudden my rod top arced round and before I could even touch my rod despite it being in arms reach, my line just exploded with a crack. I never fished that spot again.
And to put it bluntly, I stopped snag fishing years ago, sitting there all the time next to the rods is not relaxing and then on a night, recasting into a more open spot of water so that you can get some sleep and then in a morning, cast back to the snag.....it is not for me
I find it worse fishing to a snag in the middle of a pond, when the fish takes, it can "Run" away from you and despite the fact it cannot take line, it still seems to be going away from you like a "Train" with lots of momentum, probably because of line stretch and the fact, it might be rising up in the water. Because of that, it makes it hard to get your rod up and your easilly "Pointed" resulting in a hook pull or your line "exploding" with an almighty crack. Giving line is not an option as the fish then gets more chance of getting into the snag.
My answer to that issue is if possible, fish with your rods well back from the waters edge. then when you get the rod and pick it up, you can take a couple of steps forward whilst raising the rod, not giving the fish any line etc and maintaining pressure. Trying to fish with about a 45 degree angle was not successful as it was still hard to get the rod up or even out to the side.
Snag fishing up to snags along a bank like rushes and reeds is not so much of a problem so long as they do not come away from the bank too far, the fish can only go so far from you as the bank stops it racing off so it can only go left, right or towards you.
One of my worst experiences was fishing to the edge of a thick reed bed about 10 yards to the right of my swim, I was sat watching my rod, from directly behind it, all of a sudden my rod top arced round and before I could even touch my rod despite it being in arms reach, my line just exploded with a crack. I never fished that spot again.
And to put it bluntly, I stopped snag fishing years ago, sitting there all the time next to the rods is not relaxing and then on a night, recasting into a more open spot of water so that you can get some sleep and then in a morning, cast back to the snag.....it is not for me
If your rod is not pointed directly at the spot you are fishing then you are not locked up.
In reply to Post #21
I can’t say I’ve ever heard of anyone having their line snapped on a take. I mean a straight pull with .40 mono would pull the head off the fish before the line snapped.
My issue was simply bad luck, rather than the rod being soft. The more I mull it over the hook would have likely pulled no matter what rod I was using.
I can’t say I’ve ever heard of anyone having their line snapped on a take. I mean a straight pull with .40 mono would pull the head off the fish before the line snapped.
My issue was simply bad luck, rather than the rod being soft. The more I mull it over the hook would have likely pulled no matter what rod I was using.
A lot of carp anglers in the situation that you are describing whilst snag fishing are often the ones who actually allow the fish to gain sanctuary in the snags, just by not giving the fish suitable welly on the bite (not saying you at all, just what I've seen personally). If you are fishing hit and hold up against a snag or pads, pick up the bucking rod on the bite, put the rod over your shoulder, turn away from the lake and walk hard. You will pull that carp away from anything. It can't beat you in a strength match... Not unless you, the angler let it. Your lovely rods will do the rest.
In your own words you can't snap .40 mono, and it's funny how little pressure you can actually exert on a bent rod in reality lbs wise. To move them away from a snag just do as I described. You can walk a 50lb+ carp pretty easily once you take the first step. Once you have walked them to the back of your swim or a suitable distance you can turn around and start playing the fish.
You certainly will not suffer a hook pull. You will have slightly more trouble getting the hook out. But it's better than a lost one.
In your own words you can't snap .40 mono, and it's funny how little pressure you can actually exert on a bent rod in reality lbs wise. To move them away from a snag just do as I described. You can walk a 50lb+ carp pretty easily once you take the first step. Once you have walked them to the back of your swim or a suitable distance you can turn around and start playing the fish.
You certainly will not suffer a hook pull. You will have slightly more trouble getting the hook out. But it's better than a lost one.
Believe me, a fish will snap 0.35mm line on a take when snag fishing locked up and the fish is heading away from you at speed, once the line is stretched, you will get a "zero stretch jerk" so basically once you total the weight of your fish to the momentum etc, your line will just snap like a piece of cotton.
If you google it, you will see the phsics behind it all. Basically, you could pick up a 15lb weight on a piece of 15lb line and it will hold it, but just lift that weight a few inches and drop it, the line will snap.
Thankfully though it does not happen often and when its happened to me, its to a snag midwater wherby a fish can get a good head of steam up away from you, and the bigger the fish and the faster its going and it does not have to be travelling as fast as a smaller fish, more chance of it happening.
If you google it, you will see the phsics behind it all. Basically, you could pick up a 15lb weight on a piece of 15lb line and it will hold it, but just lift that weight a few inches and drop it, the line will snap.
Thankfully though it does not happen often and when its happened to me, its to a snag midwater wherby a fish can get a good head of steam up away from you, and the bigger the fish and the faster its going and it does not have to be travelling as fast as a smaller fish, more chance of it happening.
In reply to Post #25
Simply elevating your rod tip a little so there's some bend in it will stop that from happening as your rod tip will act as a kind of shock absorber. Plus snag fishing with .35 line which is usually 12lb isn't really a very good idea
Simply elevating your rod tip a little so there's some bend in it will stop that from happening as your rod tip will act as a kind of shock absorber. Plus snag fishing with .35 line which is usually 12lb isn't really a very good idea
In reply to Post #25
Sounds like you've been using korda line 😬
Sounds like you've been using korda line 😬
In reply to Post #27
Don't mention that stuff, I tried "Illusion" for rigs about 20 years ago I think, I think a Stickleback could snap it, absolutely useless, I think they did improve it, but never tried it again. In fact, I hardly use anything from Korda, even their hooks would bend
But, my main lines for years have been "Ultima F1 Black in 0.35mm 18lb" for snags and off the beach (never use 15lb, it snaps like cotton) and Asso Fast Sinking in 0.35mm 16lb for open water, but, its like tow rope and snaps well above that.
Don't mention that stuff, I tried "Illusion" for rigs about 20 years ago I think, I think a Stickleback could snap it, absolutely useless, I think they did improve it, but never tried it again. In fact, I hardly use anything from Korda, even their hooks would bend
But, my main lines for years have been "Ultima F1 Black in 0.35mm 18lb" for snags and off the beach (never use 15lb, it snaps like cotton) and Asso Fast Sinking in 0.35mm 16lb for open water, but, its like tow rope and snaps well above that.
In reply to Post #25
Unsure these physics wok in water, you could tow me round a swimming pool on 15lb mono
Unsure these physics wok in water, you could tow me round a swimming pool on 15lb mono
In reply to Post #24
I've seen the over the shoulder method in action on the ebro, but the walking never stopped until the fish were flapping on the bank.
I've seen the over the shoulder method in action on the ebro, but the walking never stopped until the fish were flapping on the bank.
In reply to Post #1
You can definitely apply more pressure with a shorter rod (or one that bends more easily so the it has a shorter length when under load).
But a higher tc rod lets you feel in control.
I tried fishing for double figure carp on a 4 weight 7.5 ft fibreglass fly rod. I felt completely out of control but only had to give 6 - 10 feet of line.
On a proper carp rod and fixed spool reel with a great drag I felt in control but they made 20 yard runs.
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You can definitely apply more pressure with a shorter rod (or one that bends more easily so the it has a shorter length when under load).
But a higher tc rod lets you feel in control.
I tried fishing for double figure carp on a 4 weight 7.5 ft fibreglass fly rod. I felt completely out of control but only had to give 6 - 10 feet of line.
On a proper carp rod and fixed spool reel with a great drag I felt in control but they made 20 yard runs.
Rods are a second form lever LINKY POO™ https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/guides/z24b9qt/revision/1