The kids wont remember but back in the early 90s the whole carp fishing industry entirely rejected hooks with bent shafts.
They were undoubtedly efficient but caused mouth damage due to the position of the eye relative to the bend of the hook. Taking an objective view of the modern patterns the industry (including Korda and Nash) has fallen back to manufacturing hooks that have compromised mouth care for hook-holds.
They were undoubtedly efficient but caused mouth damage due to the position of the eye relative to the bend of the hook. Taking an objective view of the modern patterns the industry (including Korda and Nash) has fallen back to manufacturing hooks that have compromised mouth care for hook-holds.
In reply to Post #1
This will probably cause some debate, i remember bent fly hooks and used them as soon as i heard about them, they were indeed a very good hooker but did cause damage and in the main were rightfully stopped being used.
There are some patterns that i think are problematic such as the long curved shank hooks yet others dont think so as they say they haven't seen evidence of it
This will probably cause some debate, i remember bent fly hooks and used them as soon as i heard about them, they were indeed a very good hooker but did cause damage and in the main were rightfully stopped being used.
There are some patterns that i think are problematic such as the long curved shank hooks yet others dont think so as they say they haven't seen evidence of it
In reply to Post #1
Not at all. The bent hooks of old are nothing like modern patterns, plus barbs back then we're considerably bigger
Not at all. The bent hooks of old are nothing like modern patterns, plus barbs back then we're considerably bigger
interesting debate coming up I think!
There are definitely some modern patterns that I wouldn't use and have seen cause extensive damage. Long-shank nailers for example, (Mugga pattern) are a no-go for me after seeing a mate double hook a big 30 through the bottom lip, then through the scissor....only way i could get it out for him was cutting the hook with pliers....fish was caught a couple of months later and there was a hole on the bottom lip exactly where he had hooked it.
There are definitely some modern patterns that I wouldn't use and have seen cause extensive damage. Long-shank nailers for example, (Mugga pattern) are a no-go for me after seeing a mate double hook a big 30 through the bottom lip, then through the scissor....only way i could get it out for him was cutting the hook with pliers....fish was caught a couple of months later and there was a hole on the bottom lip exactly where he had hooked it.
In reply to Post #4
Was it a barbless version?
Was it a barbless version?
In reply to Post #3
Their effect is the same. The eye and the bend of the hook in some modern patterns have the same alignment as those horrendous hooks of old. Whether the shank follows a curve or a bend makes no difference to the effect which is damaging in both cases. Bent hooks were replaced with the line-aliner, which created the same effect but straightened during the fight and so were safer.
Their effect is the same. The eye and the bend of the hook in some modern patterns have the same alignment as those horrendous hooks of old. Whether the shank follows a curve or a bend makes no difference to the effect which is damaging in both cases. Bent hooks were replaced with the line-aliner, which created the same effect but straightened during the fight and so were safer.
In reply to Post #5
Nope, barbed...although such was the way it had double hooked itself I don't think it would have made much difference.
I thought at the time the fish must have got snagged in a weedbed truth be told, (although my mate said not but it was 2am so I didn't know anything about it until he woke me up to help get the hook out) and the hook had pulled through the bottom lip then because of the long-shank had caught the scissors. The eye of the hook was then right up against the lip and the motion of the fight had caused it to tear...not nice to see.....but it is still swimming around now some 10 plus years later!
Nope, barbed...although such was the way it had double hooked itself I don't think it would have made much difference.
I thought at the time the fish must have got snagged in a weedbed truth be told, (although my mate said not but it was 2am so I didn't know anything about it until he woke me up to help get the hook out) and the hook had pulled through the bottom lip then because of the long-shank had caught the scissors. The eye of the hook was then right up against the lip and the motion of the fight had caused it to tear...not nice to see.....but it is still swimming around now some 10 plus years later!
In reply to Post #7
Reason I asked is
Someone else double stitched a mouth a couple of weeks ago and used a barbless
Last time I used a proper barbless I stitched a mouth similarly so if rules called for a barbless I will crush a barb if that's not acceptable I wont fish there.
Reason I asked is
Someone else double stitched a mouth a couple of weeks ago and used a barbless
Last time I used a proper barbless I stitched a mouth similarly so if rules called for a barbless I will crush a barb if that's not acceptable I wont fish there.
In reply to Post #6
If it worries you then use short shank hooks. You can use a short shank curved hook with some stiff shrink tube and get the same effect in a safe way.
If it worries you then use short shank hooks. You can use a short shank curved hook with some stiff shrink tube and get the same effect in a safe way.
In reply to Post #9
Like the range of short shank hooks from Korda marketed as Klor?
Like the range of short shank hooks from Korda marketed as Klor?
In reply to Post #6
I disagree, I remember the days of the old bent hooks and the damage they caused. I think it depends on the situation which they are used . I wouldn't use a Mugga for fishing locked up where you need to apply lots of pressure straight away as I've experienced mouth damage ,but in open water where you can let fish run then no issues whatsoever. Long shank curved hooks I've experienced double hooking but only with tench, so on a water with tench I won't use them. The old home made bent longshanks of old caused allsorts of damage in allsorts of situations, so to me that makes perfect sense that they are banned these days. We have so much choice now compared to back then there's a hook for all situations,without the need to bend (and weaken) them ourselves
I disagree, I remember the days of the old bent hooks and the damage they caused. I think it depends on the situation which they are used . I wouldn't use a Mugga for fishing locked up where you need to apply lots of pressure straight away as I've experienced mouth damage ,but in open water where you can let fish run then no issues whatsoever. Long shank curved hooks I've experienced double hooking but only with tench, so on a water with tench I won't use them. The old home made bent longshanks of old caused allsorts of damage in allsorts of situations, so to me that makes perfect sense that they are banned these days. We have so much choice now compared to back then there's a hook for all situations,without the need to bend (and weaken) them ourselves
In reply to Post #11
I have experienced double hooking with long shanked hooks and now only use medium and short shank curved hooks. Sometimes with a line aligner depending on situation and rig.
I have experienced double hooking with long shanked hooks and now only use medium and short shank curved hooks. Sometimes with a line aligner depending on situation and rig.
We all love our Carp, don't we?
When you look at the state of the mouths (or lack of
) of some of the fish I really feel bent hooks should be given a wide berth .
When you look at the state of the mouths (or lack of
) of some of the fish I really feel bent hooks should be given a wide berth .
In reply to Post #14
So by bent hooks what sort of pattern are you referring to? Muggas / curve shank or something more extreme? Some examples of ones folks think should be avoided would be good, if only to share some thoughts on how to avoid un-necessary mouth damage.
So by bent hooks what sort of pattern are you referring to? Muggas / curve shank or something more extreme? Some examples of ones folks think should be avoided would be good, if only to share some thoughts on how to avoid un-necessary mouth damage.
In reply to Post #15
"bent hooks" were basically long shank hooks which people bent mid shank . Think peoples issue with modern hooks are the curved longshank patterns , along with some of the newer patterns like the Korda klaw or whatever it's called.
"bent hooks" were basically long shank hooks which people bent mid shank . Think peoples issue with modern hooks are the curved longshank patterns , along with some of the newer patterns like the Korda klaw or whatever it's called.