Any figment of truth, that "two tone" carp are a result of going through/experiencing some sort of trauma 
Anyone got some concrete evidence ?
Anyone got some concrete evidence ?
In reply to Post #1
I would think that's unlikely, but you never know
I would think that's unlikely, but you never know
In reply to Post #1
According to Simon "Mr Carp" Scott, fish farmer, two injuries that can cause a two tone carp are blindness in one eye, the blindside will be much darker than the sighted side. The other is a spinal injury. The colour will be different above and below the site of the injury.
According to Simon "Mr Carp" Scott, fish farmer, two injuries that can cause a two tone carp are blindness in one eye, the blindside will be much darker than the sighted side. The other is a spinal injury. The colour will be different above and below the site of the injury.
In reply to Post #3
Cheers mate
Cheers mate
He talks about it in one of his Carpcast interviews.
In reply to Post #1
Pigment of truth would have been better
Pigment of truth would have been better
In reply to Post #3
Not sure that works when it is divided into front and back two tone colouring.
One of Brackens pool big mirrors had that split in two tone.
Not sure that works when it is divided into front and back two tone colouring.
One of Brackens pool big mirrors had that split in two tone.
In reply to Post #7
Don't know why that would invalidate the statement. Was quoting someone who has genuine knowledge and expertise in carp physiology, I don't. If you disagree that's fine, tell us why.
Don't know why that would invalidate the statement. Was quoting someone who has genuine knowledge and expertise in carp physiology, I don't. If you disagree that's fine, tell us why.
In reply to Post #8
More inclined to agree with you, Lance I´ll let you know why, but first things first 
Over here in Sweden, there´s an old term used .. "kron-gädda" which basically means "crown-pike", which is pike that has been attacked by an osprey. The osprey has it´s talons/claws embedded in the back/shoulders of the pike, trys to lift the fish but can´t due to the weight of the fish. The osprey is literally stuck to the back of the large pike, and a tussle ensues ... osprey tries to lift off, whilst the pike tries to drag it under. In this case the pike wins, and drowns the poor osprey, as it hasn´t a chance of releasing those embedded claws. The pike inturn, has no way of ridding the dead bird clung to it´s back.
The pike has no choice but to swim around with this dead osprey as extra baggage. Eventually, the bird rots away, leaving just the talons sticking out of the back. These pike swim the lake, with the talons/part skeleton sticking up looking like a crown.
Back to you Lance
Seen this happen IRL whilst sat on the bank, but in this case, it was a pristine 20lb zip linear vs an osprey. A fight to the death, ending up with a submerged osprey. Fast forward
Following season, managed to land this same linear, which was looking a mess 
Serious claw wounds just below the shoulders and puncture wounds just above the gills. Healed up but looking nasty as f¤%k. Thought that fish had been given a death sentence. Some of the scabs had opened up, so the poor sod had an extensive antiseptic treatment, before swimming back to the deep. Thought since it had survived the harsh, Swedish winter, it definately had a fighting chance.
Fast forward acouple of years later ... a two-tone zip linear was the result of that battle with the osprey, and graces the bank now and again
Will try and post a pic of before & after 
More inclined to agree with you, Lance
I´ll let you know why, but first things first Over here in Sweden, there´s an old term used .. "kron-gädda" which basically means "crown-pike", which is pike that has been attacked by an osprey. The osprey has it´s talons/claws embedded in the back/shoulders of the pike, trys to lift the fish but can´t due to the weight of the fish. The osprey is literally stuck to the back of the large pike, and a tussle ensues ... osprey tries to lift off, whilst the pike tries to drag it under. In this case the pike wins, and drowns the poor osprey, as it hasn´t a chance of releasing those embedded claws. The pike inturn, has no way of ridding the dead bird clung to it´s back.
The pike has no choice but to swim around with this dead osprey as extra baggage. Eventually, the bird rots away, leaving just the talons sticking out of the back. These pike swim the lake, with the talons/part skeleton sticking up looking like a crown.
Back to you Lance
Seen this happen IRL whilst sat on the bank, but in this case, it was a pristine 20lb zip linear vs an osprey. A fight to the death, ending up with a submerged osprey. Fast forward
Following season, managed to land this same linear, which was looking a mess Serious claw wounds just below the shoulders and puncture wounds just above the gills. Healed up but looking nasty as f¤%k. Thought that fish had been given a death sentence. Some of the scabs had opened up, so the poor sod had an extensive antiseptic treatment, before swimming back to the deep. Thought since it had survived the harsh, Swedish winter, it definately had a fighting chance. Fast forward acouple of years later ... a two-tone zip linear was the result of that battle with the osprey, and graces the bank now and again
Will try and post a pic of before & after
In reply to Post #9
Fascinating stuff Des. Really enjoyed reading your post. Lucky man to be carp fishing in an environment like that.
Fascinating stuff Des. Really enjoyed reading your post. Lucky man to be carp fishing in an environment like that.
In reply to Post #8
I never said it invalidates his statement, I queried how it would work when the two two colouring is split between the front and back of a fish; where would the injury be?
I think there is likely more than one reason, especially when bream also get a split two tone colouring front to back, it may be genetic freak.
I had the two tone mirror out of Brackens, I couldn't see any scarring.
I never said it invalidates his statement, I queried how it would work when the two two colouring is split between the front and back of a fish; where would the injury be?
I think there is likely more than one reason, especially when bream also get a split two tone colouring front to back, it may be genetic freak.
I had the two tone mirror out of Brackens, I couldn't see any scarring.
In reply to Post #11
Definately other factors involved Not just external/visable trauma. What´s the purpose for the actual change in pigment ? Carp and their winter colours eg ?
Definately other factors involved
Not just external/visable trauma. What´s the purpose for the actual change in pigment ? Carp and their winter colours eg ?
In reply to Post #11
As I understand it the injury would be at the point of colour change. Normal colour above the injury, darker below. I have caught several species of fish including carp that display this
colour variation and all of them have been lighter at the head end. I believe the famous Two Tone was the same. There are many types of spinal/nerve damage that do not leave scarring but could prevent specific nerves from functioning normally. I take the point that there may be other causes as well.
As I understand it the injury would be at the point of colour change. Normal colour above the injury, darker below. I have caught several species of fish including carp that display this
colour variation and all of them have been lighter at the head end. I believe the famous Two Tone was the same. There are many types of spinal/nerve damage that do not leave scarring but could prevent specific nerves from functioning normally. I take the point that there may be other causes as well.
In reply to Post #13
i was once told by someone who i would not just think...yeah right, was this was the result of a stroke at some point
He could of been on a wind up
i have no clue why this occors but had quite a few fish carrying this two tone effect
i was once told by someone who i would not just think...yeah right, was this was the result of a stroke at some point
He could of been on a wind up
i have no clue why this occors but had quite a few fish carrying this two tone effect
In reply to Post #1
There's a biggun in the Nene Valley that I had way back in 2012 that had normal colouration. It was then battered by otters but survived. Have caught it since with very clear two tone colouration. So there is truth to the trauma theory based on that.
There's a biggun in the Nene Valley that I had way back in 2012 that had normal colouration. It was then battered by otters but survived. Have caught it since with very clear two tone colouration. So there is truth to the trauma theory based on that.