In reply to Post #118
Its a good point about the noddies your refer too, couple that with Neils post below and carp fishing is many things to different people from large baron expanses of water to duck pond sized waters where if you fall in you could get eaten alive
I know where my passion firmly sits
Its a good point about the noddies your refer too, couple that with Neils post below and carp fishing is many things to different people from large baron expanses of water to duck pond sized waters where if you fall in you could get eaten alive
I know where my passion firmly sits
In reply to Post #120
Hey what BB do you use when you have to trek a fair distance?
Thanks
Hey what BB do you use when you have to trek a fair distance?
Thanks
In reply to Post #84
"I don't want to save time, I'm happy just being there"
Being by the water is most of the appeal, catching a fish is the icing on the cake. As for saving time, well I own a Trangia so that speaks volumes..
What's the rush? Taking my time & often failing makes it all the more sweeter when I achieve my goal.
Maybe I will never achieve it, but I'll enjoy the thrill of the chase.
"I don't want to save time, I'm happy just being there"
Being by the water is most of the appeal, catching a fish is the icing on the cake. As for saving time, well I own a Trangia so that speaks volumes..
What's the rush? Taking my time & often failing makes it all the more sweeter when I achieve my goal.
Maybe I will never achieve it, but I'll enjoy the thrill of the chase.
In reply to Post #123
There is something lovely about slow cooking on a Trangia ,it takes a bit of learning as well..
@Karlos ,my mate Dave all those years ago was a very competent angler and was a great caster, this is before distance sticks became a thing ,and elastic bands on spools were the norm ..he bought this boat ,used it ,felt it not in the spirit of what angling meant to him and sold it ,mind you ....he angles no more ,as he gave up years ago due to otter predation ..
There is something lovely about slow cooking on a Trangia ,it takes a bit of learning as well..
@Karlos ,my mate Dave all those years ago was a very competent angler and was a great caster, this is before distance sticks became a thing ,and elastic bands on spools were the norm ..he bought this boat ,used it ,felt it not in the spirit of what angling meant to him and sold it ,mind you ....he angles no more ,as he gave up years ago due to otter predation ..
In reply to Post #124
@wandle1: I wasn't sure if Dave was an example name or real, and the fact he's real and was a great caster makes no difference to the point I was making.
This is not a simple black/white issue, as some people were suggesting.
"If bait boat is used, then fish means nothing" thereby shaming (or similar) any capture by people who chose to use a bait boat.
No mitigating circumstances, just that black + white. All bait boat captures are void and the angler is a w****r.
So the examples I gave were to point out that there are lots of things we can do to make fishing easier. Some in small ways
e.g. Distance sticks (aim, get left/right accurate, punch cast, hit clip, swing lead down and feel for donk....much easier than having to feather a cast and hope it doesn't snag on islands/reeds/overhang)
e.g. Remote / electronic alarms - Set trap, go to sleep...
and some in bigger ways
e.g. Row boat - has many advantages that a bait boat doesn't have, and could therefore be classed as advantageous. Sure, there's a skill to using one...I have used row boats on local reservoirs and French venues and I own 2 plastic boats and 1 inflatable so I do know the ins and outs of boat fishing - hence why I know how advantageous they can be. If I had to pick between row boat and bait boat the row boat makes life easier (well, certainly with an electric outboard anyway ... and if you want to take things to extremes, see the Damian Clark video on the Korda venue recently where he has a front mounted motor that keeps the boat in position to help avoid drift!)
So in summary, I guess, let's not tar all bait boat users with the same brush.
What next? Shall we take the comparisons to water size rather than bait placement ... "Your venue is only 2 acres and mine's 285acres ... so you're only ever 100yards away from the fish, so your captures mean less!?"
That would be stupid, as above, due to the amount of variables/factors involved
@wandle1: I wasn't sure if Dave was an example name or real, and the fact he's real and was a great caster makes no difference to the point I was making.
This is not a simple black/white issue, as some people were suggesting.
"If bait boat is used, then fish means nothing" thereby shaming (or similar) any capture by people who chose to use a bait boat.
No mitigating circumstances, just that black + white. All bait boat captures are void and the angler is a w****r.
So the examples I gave were to point out that there are lots of things we can do to make fishing easier. Some in small ways
e.g. Distance sticks (aim, get left/right accurate, punch cast, hit clip, swing lead down and feel for donk....much easier than having to feather a cast and hope it doesn't snag on islands/reeds/overhang)
e.g. Remote / electronic alarms - Set trap, go to sleep...
and some in bigger ways
e.g. Row boat - has many advantages that a bait boat doesn't have, and could therefore be classed as advantageous. Sure, there's a skill to using one...I have used row boats on local reservoirs and French venues and I own 2 plastic boats and 1 inflatable so I do know the ins and outs of boat fishing - hence why I know how advantageous they can be. If I had to pick between row boat and bait boat the row boat makes life easier (well, certainly with an electric outboard anyway ... and if you want to take things to extremes, see the Damian Clark video on the Korda venue recently where he has a front mounted motor that keeps the boat in position to help avoid drift!)
So in summary, I guess, let's not tar all bait boat users with the same brush.
What next? Shall we take the comparisons to water size rather than bait placement ... "Your venue is only 2 acres and mine's 285acres ... so you're only ever 100yards away from the fish, so your captures mean less!?"
That would be stupid, as above, due to the amount of variables/factors involved
In reply to Post #125
A'right Karlos, you make a lot of good points,fair enough to your self and anyone else and I respect your opinion and would you believe others as well..
And I'm sure others echo my sentiments ,but are too shy to say on here,but some things in life ,in this great hobby of ours is black and white ,there are no half measures with this from my point of view ..certainly I don't look at others ,who use a BB ,a c u nex fursday ,I do however feel ,still, that their captures are without merit ,and if they are fortunate to hook and land a specific, sought after carp and then publicise that capture ,than it should also be mentioned the capture happened because of a electronic bait placement device ,with ,in many cases advanced tech ...
In life ,in some things there is right and wrong ,good and bad ,there is no doubt or question on that score ,I'm talking about boundaries...in life here ..
Bait boats to me ,blur those boundaries in angling terms ,it over steps the mark in skill ,merit and to some people ,including my self ,nullifies that capture..
Those who don't agree with me ,that's fine ,crack on...but if you've read what I have tried to convey, just remember you've cheated yourself ,inside..and it's up to you to square that up with your own angling mindset ..
A'right Karlos, you make a lot of good points,fair enough to your self and anyone else and I respect your opinion and would you believe others as well..
And I'm sure others echo my sentiments ,but are too shy to say on here,but some things in life ,in this great hobby of ours is black and white ,there are no half measures with this from my point of view ..certainly I don't look at others ,who use a BB ,a c u nex fursday ,I do however feel ,still, that their captures are without merit ,and if they are fortunate to hook and land a specific, sought after carp and then publicise that capture ,than it should also be mentioned the capture happened because of a electronic bait placement device ,with ,in many cases advanced tech ...
In life ,in some things there is right and wrong ,good and bad ,there is no doubt or question on that score ,I'm talking about boundaries...in life here ..
Bait boats to me ,blur those boundaries in angling terms ,it over steps the mark in skill ,merit and to some people ,including my self ,nullifies that capture..
Those who don't agree with me ,that's fine ,crack on...but if you've read what I have tried to convey, just remember you've cheated yourself ,inside..and it's up to you to square that up with your own angling mindset ..
In reply to Post #126
I respect your perspective as well. From what I've read on here about your approach to angling, using a bait boat would be very out of place.
Personally, I rarely use a bait boat. I don't think any of my clubs even permit them (though I've never actually checked). My syndicates certainly don't allow them.
That said, I do find them useful in specific situations—like when fishing at a lake on a one-off trip (e.g., a French trip). In those instances, I'd prefer to quietly get a general sense of the lakebed and weed situation in about 30 minutes, rather than spending half a day heavily disturbing the water and potentially scaring fish away from the area.
I respect your perspective as well. From what I've read on here about your approach to angling, using a bait boat would be very out of place.
Personally, I rarely use a bait boat. I don't think any of my clubs even permit them (though I've never actually checked). My syndicates certainly don't allow them.
That said, I do find them useful in specific situations—like when fishing at a lake on a one-off trip (e.g., a French trip). In those instances, I'd prefer to quietly get a general sense of the lakebed and weed situation in about 30 minutes, rather than spending half a day heavily disturbing the water and potentially scaring fish away from the area.
In reply to Post #126
.but if you've read what I have tried to convey, just remember you've cheated yourself ,inside
What a load of old twaddle.
All Ive taken from your posts is that you're a myopic, sanctimonious punisher who seems to want to take joy, happiness & a sense of achievement away from other anglers which is extremely sad.
...and I'm sure others echo my sentiments, but are too shy to say on here...
.but if you've read what I have tried to convey, just remember you've cheated yourself ,inside
What a load of old twaddle.
All Ive taken from your posts is that you're a myopic, sanctimonious punisher who seems to want to take joy, happiness & a sense of achievement away from other anglers which is extremely sad.
...and I'm sure others echo my sentiments, but are too shy to say on here...
If people read through this thread it's crystal clear, there is a distinct advantage over other anglers by using a bait boat. I don't think money even comes into it, it does not for me, it's the principle of things, I do t believe in them, never mind sonar, cameras and now drones!
As usual though there is also a flip side, knob heads driving them all over the place which only fuels the argument
If people want to use them that's fine by me, their choice. The good news a lot of lake owners don't like them so this controls the use in some places and levels the playing field. I guess primarily because of knob heads or their dislike of the method
To be fair I can handle a boat boat user anyday over some mong who ain't got a clue what they are doing, spodding the granny art of it and killing the fishing
As usual though there is also a flip side, knob heads driving them all over the place which only fuels the argument
If people want to use them that's fine by me, their choice. The good news a lot of lake owners don't like them so this controls the use in some places and levels the playing field. I guess primarily because of knob heads or their dislike of the method
To be fair I can handle a boat boat user anyday over some mong who ain't got a clue what they are doing, spodding the granny art of it and killing the fishing
In reply to Post #128
...and I'm sure others echo my sentiments, but are too shy to say on here...
Too embarrassed you mean
Wandle is spot on imo.
...and I'm sure others echo my sentiments, but are too shy to say on here...
Too embarrassed you mean
Wandle is spot on imo.
In reply to Post #130
To say it's cheating if a set of rules allow it is waffle. Are you acting dishonest to yourself if you use one oh behave
To say it's cheating if a set of rules allow it is waffle. Are you acting dishonest to yourself if you use one oh behave
In reply to Post #1
They have become the norm but they will never be accepted!
They have become the norm but they will never be accepted!
In reply to Post #128
@jamienowhere...I helped you out back along ,I didn't have to ,you seem to have easily forgotten that ..
To be honest I don't even know if you actually know what your talking about half the time ,you come across as a know it all,but actually know very little at all,no wonder you are disliked on here,your what's known as a SHEEP ..I can now see why you got torn another hole in your bottom ,by someone who has caught lots of fish on various venues,using their own hookbaits ..a lot on here know that ,and have not forgotten it..
I speak my PERSONAL TRUTH, not others opinions ,that's the difference ,its called opinions ,so therefore the little personal unwarranted dig you have had at me actually shows who and what you are ....a poor specimen of angler ,with little or no actual knowledge...if you had purple hair ,I'd understand it ,actually you are the forum punisher to be honest..
What a wannabe An'gof...
@jamienowhere...I helped you out back along ,I didn't have to ,you seem to have easily forgotten that ..
To be honest I don't even know if you actually know what your talking about half the time ,you come across as a know it all,but actually know very little at all,no wonder you are disliked on here,your what's known as a SHEEP ..I can now see why you got torn another hole in your bottom ,by someone who has caught lots of fish on various venues,using their own hookbaits ..a lot on here know that ,and have not forgotten it..
I speak my PERSONAL TRUTH, not others opinions ,that's the difference ,its called opinions ,so therefore the little personal unwarranted dig you have had at me actually shows who and what you are ....a poor specimen of angler ,with little or no actual knowledge...if you had purple hair ,I'd understand it ,actually you are the forum punisher to be honest..
What a wannabe An'gof...
In reply to Post #133
I wouldn't waste your time Adam, as it usually does other anglers who know nothing about you or your angling or opinions come up with their own formed opinions that mean nowt.
I'm 54 now and someone who started fishing in the late 70's taught by my dad float and ledger fishing on rivers and lakes for all species then specifically carp fishing from the mid 90's having spent around near 30 years angling and learning the craft and skills of angling before buying a bait boat circa 2005 which hasn't got GPS or an Echosounder on it just specifically only used for my Foreign holidays to which I mentioned in this thread earlier the captures carry little to no merit to have someone comment "perhaps get a better angler than myself to catch a carp so I can have my photo with it"
Pay no attention to it I'm old and ugly enough and know different.
I wouldn't waste your time Adam, as it usually does other anglers who know nothing about you or your angling or opinions come up with their own formed opinions that mean nowt.
I'm 54 now and someone who started fishing in the late 70's taught by my dad float and ledger fishing on rivers and lakes for all species then specifically carp fishing from the mid 90's having spent around near 30 years angling and learning the craft and skills of angling before buying a bait boat circa 2005 which hasn't got GPS or an Echosounder on it just specifically only used for my Foreign holidays to which I mentioned in this thread earlier the captures carry little to no merit to have someone comment "perhaps get a better angler than myself to catch a carp so I can have my photo with it"
Pay no attention to it I'm old and ugly enough and know different.
Firstly merit - a lot of people need to understand the actual noun - it is to deserve praise or reward - so for all the bait boat users that don't fish for likes, don't care what others think, merit is not something you should look for.
The best way for me to sim it up is if someone did a newbie tutorial on lets say a 10 acre lake with the longest cast 120 yards
Considerations for a newbie with no boat if they were being taught for the very first time.
Where will the fish be?
Where are the features within that area?
How can I apply my bait at the range I want to fish?
I wonder if the fish up up in the layers?
How thick is the weed and are there any clear spots?
How close can I get to the canopy and feather down the line?
What rig can I use and what part will anti tangle play in my thinking?
How do i cast long distances or accurately?
What lead size should I use and can I use on my tackle?
Add a bait boat - and all the above takes mins and hours instead of years. That to me is why I don't like them, because what they bring is far more than the sheer effort and learned over 50 years an angler - jealousy no - merit worthy - no.
The above is obviously not what the pro boat users do and most have served the same apprenticeship BUT hopefully shows that they are the single buy able short cut OR they do things you simply can't do traditionally. They are not like distance sticks, alarms or row boats. They are short cuts or unfair advantage or as I used on holiday an absolute lazy short cut.
Merit is a emotion bestowed on people and everyone will decide what merit they seek and the worthiness of that - your hobby - your rules.
The only reason I am slightly invested in this discussion (are they now the norm) is that YES unfortunately they are. If they are allowed on waters I fish, that impacts my fishing and my results - externally when I may show a photo of a fish that I am particularly proud of that may have taken years to catch - I really don't want the response to be ‘do you use those remote boats that I've seen' —- that's just me. No hate - just sadness that you can never put the genie back in the bottle and now we have drones - for the purpose of this thread I assume all pro bait boats are pro drones, same, same but different.
The best way for me to sim it up is if someone did a newbie tutorial on lets say a 10 acre lake with the longest cast 120 yards
Considerations for a newbie with no boat if they were being taught for the very first time.
Where will the fish be?
Where are the features within that area?
How can I apply my bait at the range I want to fish?
I wonder if the fish up up in the layers?
How thick is the weed and are there any clear spots?
How close can I get to the canopy and feather down the line?
What rig can I use and what part will anti tangle play in my thinking?
How do i cast long distances or accurately?
What lead size should I use and can I use on my tackle?
Add a bait boat - and all the above takes mins and hours instead of years. That to me is why I don't like them, because what they bring is far more than the sheer effort and learned over 50 years an angler - jealousy no - merit worthy - no.
The above is obviously not what the pro boat users do and most have served the same apprenticeship BUT hopefully shows that they are the single buy able short cut OR they do things you simply can't do traditionally. They are not like distance sticks, alarms or row boats. They are short cuts or unfair advantage or as I used on holiday an absolute lazy short cut.
Merit is a emotion bestowed on people and everyone will decide what merit they seek and the worthiness of that - your hobby - your rules.
The only reason I am slightly invested in this discussion (are they now the norm) is that YES unfortunately they are. If they are allowed on waters I fish, that impacts my fishing and my results - externally when I may show a photo of a fish that I am particularly proud of that may have taken years to catch - I really don't want the response to be ‘do you use those remote boats that I've seen' —- that's just me. No hate - just sadness that you can never put the genie back in the bottle and now we have drones - for the purpose of this thread I assume all pro bait boats are pro drones, same, same but different.