In reply to Post #105
That Nick, probably goes on country wide every day.... Though i doubt many have the luxury of a boat to go out and free them..... :(
Regards Tad.
That Nick, probably goes on country wide every day.... Though i doubt many have the luxury of a boat to go out and free them..... :(
Regards Tad.
In reply to Post #106
Should every responsible lake owner have a boat with contact number clearly visible on with someone available that knows how to use it?
Should every responsible lake owner have a boat with contact number clearly visible on with someone available that knows how to use it?
In reply to Post #89
. . .think there's a few sour grapes on here (maybe i'm wrong) but I still vaguely understand the anti-boat sentiment being one of them by virtue for many many years. All depends on the waters you fish but I don't de-merit my baitboat captures against fish that I've caught previously without using one . . .different waters / different gravy - life is also too short; its a hobby ffs.
Boats dont 'instantly' make carp fishing any easier necessarily, nor do they replace the core watercraft and fishing skills that are needed to be effective anyway before you actually use one. Yes a noob can boat out the latest fandango ronnie rig at 150yds and top it with 3kg of freebies in a single operation - that won't guarantee fish if its in a completely daft spot or area where they never feed in the first place plus they still need to be able to hook play and land the fish.
Conversley an experienced angler that can cast accurately and present an effective rig virtually anywhere, knows instinctively how and when to feed may still choose to use a boat based on the lake being fished and dependant on the situation at hand (eg Terry Hearn / Dave Lane)
In addition - why is a rowing boat / inflatable with an outboard perceived to be 'hardcore carpy' whereas a bait boat is labelled as cheating? Why is it 'ok' to use a bait boat in France whereas its 'not ok' to use one in the UK (whether or not they're banned) ?
Both are just tools IMO - choose to use / not to use them as you see fit!
. . .think there's a few sour grapes on here (maybe i'm wrong) but I still vaguely understand the anti-boat sentiment being one of them by virtue for many many years. All depends on the waters you fish but I don't de-merit my baitboat captures against fish that I've caught previously without using one . . .different waters / different gravy - life is also too short; its a hobby ffs.
Boats dont 'instantly' make carp fishing any easier necessarily, nor do they replace the core watercraft and fishing skills that are needed to be effective anyway before you actually use one. Yes a noob can boat out the latest fandango ronnie rig at 150yds and top it with 3kg of freebies in a single operation - that won't guarantee fish if its in a completely daft spot or area where they never feed in the first place plus they still need to be able to hook play and land the fish.
Conversley an experienced angler that can cast accurately and present an effective rig virtually anywhere, knows instinctively how and when to feed may still choose to use a boat based on the lake being fished and dependant on the situation at hand (eg Terry Hearn / Dave Lane)
In addition - why is a rowing boat / inflatable with an outboard perceived to be 'hardcore carpy' whereas a bait boat is labelled as cheating? Why is it 'ok' to use a bait boat in France whereas its 'not ok' to use one in the UK (whether or not they're banned) ?
Both are just tools IMO - choose to use / not to use them as you see fit!
In reply to Post #108
When i see tom maker hauling 30'ies like it is nothing on b2 (or something similar), and i compare that to him struggling on a belgian canal and being happy like a kid with a double it does tell a story, a story of merit. With all else being equal, the same can be said of many bait boat captures. But you are right, sometimes a bait boat is the right tool, with the emphasis on sometimes.
In the 90'ies i was one of the first making use of this tool, and if i was to mention numbers nobody would believe me. Now that i don't use one whilst fishing, numbers are dramatically lower. Out of laziness i used the word cheating, but maybe fooling yourself is better. In the end i do see an order of merit comparing catches and to me somebody catching a couple from the top in a short time is a way better angler than somebody like me catching non stop with a bait boat and infinite bait. But, each to their own, and who am i to judge:P
When i see tom maker hauling 30'ies like it is nothing on b2 (or something similar), and i compare that to him struggling on a belgian canal and being happy like a kid with a double it does tell a story, a story of merit. With all else being equal, the same can be said of many bait boat captures. But you are right, sometimes a bait boat is the right tool, with the emphasis on sometimes.
In the 90'ies i was one of the first making use of this tool, and if i was to mention numbers nobody would believe me. Now that i don't use one whilst fishing, numbers are dramatically lower. Out of laziness i used the word cheating, but maybe fooling yourself is better. In the end i do see an order of merit comparing catches and to me somebody catching a couple from the top in a short time is a way better angler than somebody like me catching non stop with a bait boat and infinite bait. But, each to their own, and who am i to judge:P
In reply to Post #109
It's difficult when we see someone doing something that we may not agree with but if it's within the rules it really has nothing to do with us, the only people we should be judging is ourselves.
It's difficult when we see someone doing something that we may not agree with but if it's within the rules it really has nothing to do with us, the only people we should be judging is ourselves.
In reply to Post #108
Good post but one thing I would add is if you spend enough money on attachments like sonar, fish finders and cameras even the most inexperienced can avoid the daft spots. and we haven't mentioned drones yet.
Personally I'm holding out for the device that repels the fish elsewhere and only attracts them into your swim. Then you could use crap bait and save yourself a fortune
Good post but one thing I would add is if you spend enough money on attachments like sonar, fish finders and cameras even the most inexperienced can avoid the daft spots. and we haven't mentioned drones yet.
Personally I'm holding out for the device that repels the fish elsewhere and only attracts them into your swim. Then you could use crap bait and save yourself a fortune
In reply to Post #108
For me the difference is you still cast from the back of a boat with the rod in your hands a baitboat you do not.
For me the difference is you still cast from the back of a boat with the rod in your hands a baitboat you do not.
In reply to Post #112
Does that not negate the point of having a boat??
Does that not negate the point of having a boat??
Fishing from a row boat arguably requires more skill than casting from the bank, it certainly requires more effort.
It does still have the issue of dropping baits in places that could not be fished using traditional casting.
Using a bait boat requires pretty much no skill at all and allows the same results of years of practise after a few hours with a remote in your hands.
It does still have the issue of dropping baits in places that could not be fished using traditional casting.
Using a bait boat requires pretty much no skill at all and allows the same results of years of practise after a few hours with a remote in your hands.
In reply to Post #114
Don't see what the difference is between a bait boat and a boat.
In a boat you're visualy looking for spots , with a bait boat you're looking for spots with an echo sounder.
Both need a bit of experience as to whether these spots are worth fishing
Don't see what the difference is between a bait boat and a boat.
In a boat you're visualy looking for spots , with a bait boat you're looking for spots with an echo sounder.
Both need a bit of experience as to whether these spots are worth fishing
In reply to Post #84
In reply to Post #116
Whatever people's views, imo if you don't rely on a bait boat your become a more competent angler, if that matter
Whatever people's views, imo if you don't rely on a bait boat your become a more competent angler, if that matter
In reply to Post #116
So true
So true
In reply to Post #115
Effort, getting your boat to the venue takes more effort, launching it takes more effort, rowing it out takes more effort, ect ect ect. A boat is also safer for the fish as you can go out to a snagged fish to free it and visually seeing clearly what's between your swim and the spot being fished can be an advantage.
Effort, getting your boat to the venue takes more effort, launching it takes more effort, rowing it out takes more effort, ect ect ect. A boat is also safer for the fish as you can go out to a snagged fish to free it and visually seeing clearly what's between your swim and the spot being fished can be an advantage.
In reply to Post #112
difference is you still cast from the back of a boat with the rod in your hands
In all the years I have used my inflatable I never have ! I have only ever lowered it on the spots
and I dont see ANY difference in a rowing boat or a bait boat one you look at the screen on the bank the other you look at a screen in a boat or look over the side
certainly no difference in skill levels
IMHO
difference is you still cast from the back of a boat with the rod in your hands
In all the years I have used my inflatable I never have ! I have only ever lowered it on the spots
and I dont see ANY difference in a rowing boat or a bait boat one you look at the screen on the bank the other you look at a screen in a boat or look over the side
certainly no difference in skill levels
IMHO