In reply to Post #58
Bumped this thread because I don't know where to ask...
Tropical fish tank water or tap water to pre soak my boilies?
Honestly, don't bother.
If you really want it just to create softer baits, allow a bucket of tap water to stand around 12hours then put your boilies in.
I do drop a handful of boilies in my particle mix after boiling and the water has cooled down, not to get softer bait as such, but so the boilies are part of the mix.
If I fish just boilies I take them out of the cupboard (shelf life), or freezer and put them in a bucket before I go.
I don't bother washing them out, just use them as they are.
I think the washing out concept is 'flawed', not because it doesn't work, but simply because sometimes carp WILL NOT pick up bait for a day or more after it being put in an area.
Bumped this thread because I don't know where to ask...
Tropical fish tank water or tap water to pre soak my boilies?
Honestly, don't bother.
If you really want it just to create softer baits, allow a bucket of tap water to stand around 12hours then put your boilies in.
I do drop a handful of boilies in my particle mix after boiling and the water has cooled down, not to get softer bait as such, but so the boilies are part of the mix.
If I fish just boilies I take them out of the cupboard (shelf life), or freezer and put them in a bucket before I go.
I don't bother washing them out, just use them as they are.
I think the washing out concept is 'flawed', not because it doesn't work, but simply because sometimes carp WILL NOT pick up bait for a day or more after it being put in an area.
I find that higher quality bait washes out fairly quickly in water anyway
In reply to Post #60
Loads of places sell it in cans under the Stella label.
Loads of places sell it in cans under the Stella label.
In reply to Post #60
Maybe he meant the (salmon and) Ball. Plenty of pis$ in there
Maybe he meant the (salmon and) Ball. Plenty of pis$ in there
In reply to Post #61
Without trying to start an argument , do you therefore believe carp see some boilies, and store that information and then revisit after a certain time has elapsed?
I feel some carp are obviously more catious than others but competition drives fish to eat bait before its gone. I would hope carp do feed before something else eats the bait. certainly seems to be the case on lakes with larger heads of fish although ive not fished them for a long time its the impression i get when i think of B1 and B2 for instance . I cant really imagine a carp clocking bait and then returning 24 hours later to eat it. unless there were no other fish about i would think it would want to eat asap before its gone.
Without trying to start an argument , do you therefore believe carp see some boilies, and store that information and then revisit after a certain time has elapsed?
I feel some carp are obviously more catious than others but competition drives fish to eat bait before its gone. I would hope carp do feed before something else eats the bait. certainly seems to be the case on lakes with larger heads of fish although ive not fished them for a long time its the impression i get when i think of B1 and B2 for instance . I cant really imagine a carp clocking bait and then returning 24 hours later to eat it. unless there were no other fish about i would think it would want to eat asap before its gone.
In reply to Post #65
Seen it myself in with my own eyes. Where there is little competition and plenty of natural food. Also seen fish over the course of a week eat different bits of spod mix off the spot from smallest to largest.
You're right in the fact that heavily stocked waters the fish will probably eat what they see as it won't be there when they come back. It also happens on rivers where food is much scarcer and competition is high, again they'll still bypass it though at times.
There's absolutely no chance carp will eat any food they see straight away otherwise we'd all catch multiple fish every single time me for fishing wouldnt we.
Seen it myself in with my own eyes. Where there is little competition and plenty of natural food. Also seen fish over the course of a week eat different bits of spod mix off the spot from smallest to largest.
You're right in the fact that heavily stocked waters the fish will probably eat what they see as it won't be there when they come back. It also happens on rivers where food is much scarcer and competition is high, again they'll still bypass it though at times.
There's absolutely no chance carp will eat any food they see straight away otherwise we'd all catch multiple fish every single time me for fishing wouldnt we.
In reply to Post #65
In reply to Post #61
Without trying to start an argument , do you therefore believe carp see some boilies, and store that information and then revisit after a certain time has elapsed?
I feel some carp are obviously more catious than others but competition drives fish to eat bait before its gone. I would hope carp do feed before something else eats the bait. certainly seems to be the case on lakes with larger heads of fish although ive not fished them for a long time its the impression i get when i think of B1 and B2 for instance . I cant really imagine a carp clocking bait and then returning 24 hours later to eat it. unless there were no other fish about i would think it would want to eat asap before its gone.
I copied and pasted Greekski's post as his answer mirror's my own.
Even over groundbait I have seen carp leave the bait for 48hours before eating it, and not just on waters with loads of natural food, but on some heavily pressured waters.
On Nazeing Meads Brackens Pool there were some rarely caught fish, that were territorial. One of these was a good looking 30 that lived in the reeds near Car Corner. I had seen fish in the area, so sneaked some bait in, and lowered my hookbait into place. I hadn't spooked the fish, but it still took 48hours before that 30 took the boilie hookbait.
I have watched carp leave sweetcorn alone until it turned grey in Taverham, and on The River Gipping, yet sweetcorn at one time was one of the best baits on there.
On A Pit years ago I baited up with a mix of boilies, mung beans, hemp and tares and a boilie hookbait. The carp picked out the hemp before starting on the other baits, the few boilies in the mix were last to go, over 24hours after they started feeding on the sandbar. The result was Stumpy the common, one of the lake originals.
Ken Townley has also written about it in his chapter in Tim Paisley's Big Carp.
1In reply to Post #65
Seen it myself in with my own eyes. Where there is little competition and plenty of natural food. Also seen fish over the course of a week eat different bits of spod mix off the spot from smallest to largest.
You're right in the fact that heavily stocked waters the fish will probably eat what they see as it won't be there when they come back. It also happens on rivers where food is much scarcer and competition is high, again they'll still bypass it though at times.
There's absolutely no chance carp will eat any food they see straight away otherwise we'd all catch multiple fish every single time me for fishing wouldnt we.
In reply to Post #61
Without trying to start an argument , do you therefore believe carp see some boilies, and store that information and then revisit after a certain time has elapsed?
I feel some carp are obviously more catious than others but competition drives fish to eat bait before its gone. I would hope carp do feed before something else eats the bait. certainly seems to be the case on lakes with larger heads of fish although ive not fished them for a long time its the impression i get when i think of B1 and B2 for instance . I cant really imagine a carp clocking bait and then returning 24 hours later to eat it. unless there were no other fish about i would think it would want to eat asap before its gone.
I copied and pasted Greekski's post as his answer mirror's my own.
Even over groundbait I have seen carp leave the bait for 48hours before eating it, and not just on waters with loads of natural food, but on some heavily pressured waters.
On Nazeing Meads Brackens Pool there were some rarely caught fish, that were territorial. One of these was a good looking 30 that lived in the reeds near Car Corner. I had seen fish in the area, so sneaked some bait in, and lowered my hookbait into place. I hadn't spooked the fish, but it still took 48hours before that 30 took the boilie hookbait.
I have watched carp leave sweetcorn alone until it turned grey in Taverham, and on The River Gipping, yet sweetcorn at one time was one of the best baits on there.
On A Pit years ago I baited up with a mix of boilies, mung beans, hemp and tares and a boilie hookbait. The carp picked out the hemp before starting on the other baits, the few boilies in the mix were last to go, over 24hours after they started feeding on the sandbar. The result was Stumpy the common, one of the lake originals.
Ken Townley has also written about it in his chapter in Tim Paisley's Big Carp.
1In reply to Post #65
Seen it myself in with my own eyes. Where there is little competition and plenty of natural food. Also seen fish over the course of a week eat different bits of spod mix off the spot from smallest to largest.
You're right in the fact that heavily stocked waters the fish will probably eat what they see as it won't be there when they come back. It also happens on rivers where food is much scarcer and competition is high, again they'll still bypass it though at times.
There's absolutely no chance carp will eat any food they see straight away otherwise we'd all catch multiple fish every single time me for fishing wouldnt we.
In reply to Post #67
I thought it was an accepted fact that sometimes you need to leave a bait for 2 days to get a bite. I was always told years ago put it in the right place and then leave it there. You need to be confident in the fact that it is the right place. Also have faith in your bait. Can be hard to sit on your hands when apparently nothing is happening.
I thought it was an accepted fact that sometimes you need to leave a bait for 2 days to get a bite. I was always told years ago put it in the right place and then leave it there. You need to be confident in the fact that it is the right place. Also have faith in your bait. Can be hard to sit on your hands when apparently nothing is happening.
In reply to Post #67
None of your anecdotes really prove that fish leave bait alone for 24 - 48 hours though do they ? I agree that some fish are super catious and may well leave certain baiting scenarios alone for 48 hours but if a fish saw a bait in an area where it was confident that it wasnt a trap it would eat it straight away as it was confident that it was not a trap/area of suspicion. I do agree that a 10 kilo bucket of bait tipped out on a dinner plate might arouse suspicion, and in that situation you would see the fish gradually gain confidence.
I could give you a lot of anecdotes that go against the idea that fish take 2 days to actually eat bait as im sure you could too, ive seen a bloke boat out 40 kilo of particle scatter it behind a bar and then catch a 40 year old carp less than half an hour afterwards.
Its hugely dependant on the stock of fish, not just carp, as to whether that bait will still be there after 48 hours. Do korda etc all bait up and leave the cameras off for 2 days every time ? Naw. dont think so.
If your baiting scenarios dont spook carp you are much more likely to catch off guard carp perhaps if you baited less you might have more success?
None of your anecdotes really prove that fish leave bait alone for 24 - 48 hours though do they ? I agree that some fish are super catious and may well leave certain baiting scenarios alone for 48 hours but if a fish saw a bait in an area where it was confident that it wasnt a trap it would eat it straight away as it was confident that it was not a trap/area of suspicion. I do agree that a 10 kilo bucket of bait tipped out on a dinner plate might arouse suspicion, and in that situation you would see the fish gradually gain confidence.
I could give you a lot of anecdotes that go against the idea that fish take 2 days to actually eat bait as im sure you could too, ive seen a bloke boat out 40 kilo of particle scatter it behind a bar and then catch a 40 year old carp less than half an hour afterwards.
Its hugely dependant on the stock of fish, not just carp, as to whether that bait will still be there after 48 hours. Do korda etc all bait up and leave the cameras off for 2 days every time ? Naw. dont think so.
If your baiting scenarios dont spook carp you are much more likely to catch off guard carp perhaps if you baited less you might have more success?
In reply to Post #69
You aren't going to bait up much less if you are restricted to putting in freebies in only by PVA. No free baits by hand, catapult, or spod.
I was able to watch the area I had lowered my hookbait bait into. A rarely caught fish from the lake It most definitely took 2 days for the fish to start picking up boilies
You aren't going to bait up much less if you are restricted to putting in freebies in only by PVA. No free baits by hand, catapult, or spod.
I was able to watch the area I had lowered my hookbait bait into. A rarely caught fish from the lake It most definitely took 2 days for the fish to start picking up boilies
In reply to Post #69
Did you really think we meant that all carp leave bait for two days before they eat it? If so I think you missed the point. We gave instances against the post that all carp eat bait straight away.
Did you really think we meant that all carp leave bait for two days before they eat it? If so I think you missed the point. We gave instances against the post that all carp eat bait straight away.
In reply to Post #68
Id suggest it isnt the right place if you have to leave it there for 2 days generally.
Id suggest it isnt the right place if you have to leave it there for 2 days generally.