In reply to Post #38
I've spent 51 last week and 31 this week in my local
I've spent 51 last week and 31 this week in my local
I have accumulated so much gear that in the last 2 years all i have bought apart from bait is 2 bulk spools of line each year from my local tackle shop. Will be the same again this year, i don't dump leads and have enough hooks, swivels etc to last the rest of my life!
In reply to Post #48
Pretty much the same as me, I've stocked up on hooks at very good prices so probably won't need to buy any for a decade, haven't bought a lead from a tackle shop for probably 15 years, bait comes direct from Aqua Bait and don't need any more Rods, Reel etc.
As and when I do buy a new shelter or Bed etc I generally keep my eyes peeled for discounts from the big boys. All I go to the local shop for these days are odd bits of end tackle and maybe a bit of pellet here and there.
Pretty much the same as me, I've stocked up on hooks at very good prices so probably won't need to buy any for a decade, haven't bought a lead from a tackle shop for probably 15 years, bait comes direct from Aqua Bait and don't need any more Rods, Reel etc.
As and when I do buy a new shelter or Bed etc I generally keep my eyes peeled for discounts from the big boys. All I go to the local shop for these days are odd bits of end tackle and maybe a bit of pellet here and there.
In reply to Post #47
I do one big order from TB or Johnson Ross for around £100 and that does me for the year. I don't chop and change things, and only ever use two rigs (har rig and chod) so have no need to pop in for extras.
I do one big order from TB or Johnson Ross for around £100 and that does me for the year. I don't chop and change things, and only ever use two rigs (har rig and chod) so have no need to pop in for extras.
I'm not replying to anyone in particular.... Just passing on the comments of the owner of the TackleBox, who knows that I am posting this. I asked him the question because of what was being posted about his shop on this thread & told him I would be posting his response online on here.
The TackleBox did supply a couple of the comp sites when they first came about (few years ago now).... At full retail price. This was an internal conundrum from the very start, but as they were paying full RRP it was decided there was not much they could do apart from supply. Very quickly the comp sites gained either accounts with the companies, or other shops and no longer ordered. One of them did approach one of the owners of the TackleBox for a trade account, but was scoffed at. The bloke did not seem to understand why on earth would the shop sell them stuff at trade. The TB owner even commented that they (comp sites) are already getting £10k for a £1k item.... Yet they want his profits too?? He's not heard from any of them since.
That's all from the owner of the TackleBox above.
The fact that it's the same prizes being given out across the board pretty much would suggest they got accounts with the tackle companies themselves.
I stand by my own statements in my first post. If any of you think that this is good for tackle shops, the industry, or anyone except the comp sites, my opinion is that you are very wrong. You are excusing your fellow anglers being absolutely fleeced. I understand odds as well as anyone. Bookmakers would not be allowed to get away with this. They can as it's lined up as a comp. It's disgusting and the people involved should be ashamed of themselves... Not defended. All IMO the last paragraph.
The TackleBox did supply a couple of the comp sites when they first came about (few years ago now).... At full retail price. This was an internal conundrum from the very start, but as they were paying full RRP it was decided there was not much they could do apart from supply. Very quickly the comp sites gained either accounts with the companies, or other shops and no longer ordered. One of them did approach one of the owners of the TackleBox for a trade account, but was scoffed at. The bloke did not seem to understand why on earth would the shop sell them stuff at trade. The TB owner even commented that they (comp sites) are already getting £10k for a £1k item.... Yet they want his profits too?? He's not heard from any of them since.
That's all from the owner of the TackleBox above.
The fact that it's the same prizes being given out across the board pretty much would suggest they got accounts with the tackle companies themselves.
I stand by my own statements in my first post. If any of you think that this is good for tackle shops, the industry, or anyone except the comp sites, my opinion is that you are very wrong. You are excusing your fellow anglers being absolutely fleeced. I understand odds as well as anyone. Bookmakers would not be allowed to get away with this. They can as it's lined up as a comp. It's disgusting and the people involved should be ashamed of themselves... Not defended. All IMO the last paragraph.
In reply to Post #51
It is all being looked into apparently,I dont fully understand what I was told but something to do with it being classed as a raffle its a loophole around the gambling laws.You may know more as I don't gamble at all
It is all being looked into apparently,I dont fully understand what I was told but something to do with it being classed as a raffle its a loophole around the gambling laws.You may know more as I don't gamble at all
In reply to Post #52
It will get sorted out like you say. All of these sites operate under a 'voluntary code of good practice'. Voluntary.
They currently do not come under the gambling act 2005 because they offer a div question (making it skill) or offer free entry roots. It's all stuff that allows raffles/comps in working mens clubs & the like, laws changed for the national lottery. But now, forget fishing... There are comp sites all over social media in every realm. Big ones. For food, for cars, for houses, for the list is endless. The one thing they all have in common is the most horrific odds. Prizes mysteriously never get claimed... Haha... It's the new way for anyone with a few quid to get rich, by preying on people in general who have nothing. For anglers to build up a loyal following, then follow up with stuff like this is quite savage. I'm not saying the fishing comp sites are doing that.... But most of them on Faceache doing cars etc are. As if someone wins a car and does not claim it. Haha.
Before the recent budget, the government were going to tax the horse racing industry via bookmakers at the same rates as online casinos & the like which are all computer programmes, based abroad. They pay a much, much higher rate. The horse racing industry employs around 100,000 people in the UK. The tax rises were fought off. A lot of the attention from the UK bookmakers was being directed towards these comp sites. The fact that they are unlegislated, self regulated is a recipe for disaster... I'd say there is new legislation coming for them all very soon to Bradders.
It will get sorted out like you say. All of these sites operate under a 'voluntary code of good practice'. Voluntary.
They currently do not come under the gambling act 2005 because they offer a div question (making it skill) or offer free entry roots. It's all stuff that allows raffles/comps in working mens clubs & the like, laws changed for the national lottery. But now, forget fishing... There are comp sites all over social media in every realm. Big ones. For food, for cars, for houses, for the list is endless. The one thing they all have in common is the most horrific odds. Prizes mysteriously never get claimed... Haha... It's the new way for anyone with a few quid to get rich, by preying on people in general who have nothing. For anglers to build up a loyal following, then follow up with stuff like this is quite savage. I'm not saying the fishing comp sites are doing that.... But most of them on Faceache doing cars etc are. As if someone wins a car and does not claim it. Haha.
Before the recent budget, the government were going to tax the horse racing industry via bookmakers at the same rates as online casinos & the like which are all computer programmes, based abroad. They pay a much, much higher rate. The horse racing industry employs around 100,000 people in the UK. The tax rises were fought off. A lot of the attention from the UK bookmakers was being directed towards these comp sites. The fact that they are unlegislated, self regulated is a recipe for disaster... I'd say there is new legislation coming for them all very soon to Bradders.
In reply to Post #53
Good i hope it does and the sooner the better
Good i hope it does and the sooner the better
It's not just the comp sites. All of the big money comps on the radio stations are run under these same loopholes. 'A voluntary code of good practice'. Haha. It's often very big money involved. You have no way of knowing who won. You just have to 'trust' that everything is kosher & above board. This is why they ask the very stupid question that anyone can answer. Stops it being actual gambling by law currently. Stops any gambling legislation. You pay your £2.50 for the call. Enter as many times as you like to win a big cash prize. It's gambling. You only need to look at the McDonalds Monopoly competition where all the major prizes were snatched by the same person within the company to see human nature and what will happen when large value prizes are involved.
To open up a bookmakers you need a licence. It's very strict to get one. Any crack dealer or similar as it stands can set up a comp site on Faceache tomorrow, dictate his own odds, pick his own winners. You need no licence. No one is governing you. It's actually pretty mad that the powers that be are allowing all this to happen. It took them sooo long to ban the FOBT terminals which were the con of the last century.
They really need to lock down on these loopholes fast.
Anyway, thread back on track.... If the market gets flooded with gold tomorrow... Gold prices go down. If the market gets flooded with oil tomorrow... Oil prices go down. When the second hand tackle market is getting flooded with your brand new rods that just came out, or your brand new favourite high end alarms... The price goes down. RRP's will go down as well not long after. You are seeing sets of high end alarms for silly money now, brand new. Very suddenly so. Stuff that has ALWAYS held its money over decades. Not anymore. Because the market is getting flooded with certain items. Prices go down.
To open up a bookmakers you need a licence. It's very strict to get one. Any crack dealer or similar as it stands can set up a comp site on Faceache tomorrow, dictate his own odds, pick his own winners. You need no licence. No one is governing you. It's actually pretty mad that the powers that be are allowing all this to happen. It took them sooo long to ban the FOBT terminals which were the con of the last century.
They really need to lock down on these loopholes fast.
Anyway, thread back on track.... If the market gets flooded with gold tomorrow... Gold prices go down. If the market gets flooded with oil tomorrow... Oil prices go down. When the second hand tackle market is getting flooded with your brand new rods that just came out, or your brand new favourite high end alarms... The price goes down. RRP's will go down as well not long after. You are seeing sets of high end alarms for silly money now, brand new. Very suddenly so. Stuff that has ALWAYS held its money over decades. Not anymore. Because the market is getting flooded with certain items. Prices go down.
I've never seen the words "unwanted prize" as much as I do now. Why buy it if you did not want it in the first place? Profiteering. People with no disposable taking a £1 punt on a £400 set of rods. If enough people do that, the shops suffer.
This is a buyers market now. Smaller shops will suffer, which will lead to the day when AD and their empty shelves rule the roost.
We are our own downfall. We want good stock and good aftercare when things go wrong, but then wonder why we have to go direct to the manufacturer because we bought a set of rods from an online shop 200 miles away, expecting the same level of service.
You've only got to look at the conduct of FB Marketplace buyers to see that they can and will even undercut those in the second hand market. No-one gives a **** if you have the only set of penny whistle bobbins in the country, people still want them for nothing.
The bubble is well and truly gone, and that's thanks to those raffling caddys you cannot afford to run, and those, including myself, who want to buy a 19.99 item, but would rather make use of an algorithm on eBay and get it for 19.87 instead.
We're all guilty of it sadly.
This is a buyers market now. Smaller shops will suffer, which will lead to the day when AD and their empty shelves rule the roost.
We are our own downfall. We want good stock and good aftercare when things go wrong, but then wonder why we have to go direct to the manufacturer because we bought a set of rods from an online shop 200 miles away, expecting the same level of service.
You've only got to look at the conduct of FB Marketplace buyers to see that they can and will even undercut those in the second hand market. No-one gives a **** if you have the only set of penny whistle bobbins in the country, people still want them for nothing.
The bubble is well and truly gone, and that's thanks to those raffling caddys you cannot afford to run, and those, including myself, who want to buy a 19.99 item, but would rather make use of an algorithm on eBay and get it for 19.87 instead.
We're all guilty of it sadly.
Don't forget the original title was the 'Price of second hand tackle' not the price of unwanted prizes.
Firstly I'm one of the oddballs on here nowadays. I'm old by comparison, 70 this year. I make tackle, I modify tackle to my personal needs, I buy used tackle to use as an upgrade, rarely buying new gear. I have a good income, now retired, but appreciate I can spend £100's rather than £1,000 on tackle per year. And yes I admit I can be a Tart when it comes to tackle.
I've had Shimmy Tech 10000 XT's, original Basia's, original Armalites, Nash Amorphous, Nash Titans, Aqua Domes over the years when they were cutting edge. Ditto , Armadillo's M3's etc. Enough Solar gear to fill a stainless Steel landfill site and that's before we get going on carbon fibre. I can remember when you could physically pick up a Bedchair with one hand without a coronary episode.
I move within the 2nd market often, buying bits which enhance my fishing experience, buying at good used prices and discarding other gear which I have used and cared for. I'm careful with my gear but it is used for fishing and my selling price reflects this. However, as of late the 2nd hand market generally has surged upwards, not the 'unwanted prizes' but genuinely used gear. Another instance is the description of scabby tackle as 'mint'….. total piss take.
Not including unwanted prizes and the problems thereof, Yes, the used tackle, pre loved, used or 2nd hand, whichever you wish to call it is getting a bit above itself in prices and expectations.
Sign of the times? I don't know but there has been a shift in the last couple of years.
Firstly I'm one of the oddballs on here nowadays. I'm old by comparison, 70 this year. I make tackle, I modify tackle to my personal needs, I buy used tackle to use as an upgrade, rarely buying new gear. I have a good income, now retired, but appreciate I can spend £100's rather than £1,000 on tackle per year. And yes I admit I can be a Tart when it comes to tackle.
I've had Shimmy Tech 10000 XT's, original Basia's, original Armalites, Nash Amorphous, Nash Titans, Aqua Domes over the years when they were cutting edge. Ditto , Armadillo's M3's etc. Enough Solar gear to fill a stainless Steel landfill site and that's before we get going on carbon fibre. I can remember when you could physically pick up a Bedchair with one hand without a coronary episode.
I move within the 2nd market often, buying bits which enhance my fishing experience, buying at good used prices and discarding other gear which I have used and cared for. I'm careful with my gear but it is used for fishing and my selling price reflects this. However, as of late the 2nd hand market generally has surged upwards, not the 'unwanted prizes' but genuinely used gear. Another instance is the description of scabby tackle as 'mint'….. total piss take.
Not including unwanted prizes and the problems thereof, Yes, the used tackle, pre loved, used or 2nd hand, whichever you wish to call it is getting a bit above itself in prices and expectations.
Sign of the times? I don't know but there has been a shift in the last couple of years.
In reply to Post #57
Totally correct Neil, I think over the last 3 or 4 years used tackle has gone up drastically.
Reels I brought 3 years ago were the same price as 6 or 7 years ago, now they are twice the price.
Most of my gear is pre-loved
apart from sleeping bags and line
Most gear i get new is from local tackle shop and occasionaly online via Glasgow Angling Centre for specific hooks.
Fortunately I have amassed quite a supply of end tackle over the years from the classifieds I have been giving it away to worthy causes
Totally correct Neil, I think over the last 3 or 4 years used tackle has gone up drastically.
Reels I brought 3 years ago were the same price as 6 or 7 years ago, now they are twice the price.
Most of my gear is pre-loved
apart from sleeping bags and lineMost gear i get new is from local tackle shop and occasionaly online via Glasgow Angling Centre for specific hooks.
Fortunately I have amassed quite a supply of end tackle over the years from the classifieds I have been giving it away to worthy causes
In reply to Post #57
That begs a different question
I remember on here ( I think) a guy won a rod or a set of rods in some competition and he tried to sell them through the classifieds
He got torn a new one because of the price he was trying to sell them for
Some were saying he should only be selling for the price he paid in the competition.it could have even been one of those like share and tag type I can't remember exact specifics anymore…
Could have been about the same sort of time as the big rig fiasco. (Just googled 2016 !! )
So the question is
What price should these competition winners be selling for??
That begs a different question
I remember on here ( I think) a guy won a rod or a set of rods in some competition and he tried to sell them through the classifieds
He got torn a new one because of the price he was trying to sell them for
Some were saying he should only be selling for the price he paid in the competition.it could have even been one of those like share and tag type I can't remember exact specifics anymore…
Could have been about the same sort of time as the big rig fiasco. (Just googled 2016 !! )
So the question is
What price should these competition winners be selling for??
In reply to Post #59
So the question is
What price should these competition winners be selling for??
For me it's whatever they want to sell it for as it has nothing to do with anyone else.
I'm personally a bit of a softy so I'd pass some of the luck on, I wouldn't want anything near RRP, but I also wouldn't give them away as they're just as likely to be sold on at a bigger price.
Selling things on Ebay I have little time anymore for the silly offers you get from timewasters.
So the question is
What price should these competition winners be selling for??
For me it's whatever they want to sell it for as it has nothing to do with anyone else.
I'm personally a bit of a softy so I'd pass some of the luck on, I wouldn't want anything near RRP, but I also wouldn't give them away as they're just as likely to be sold on at a bigger price.
Selling things on Ebay I have little time anymore for the silly offers you get from timewasters.
It's not just fresh water market though, one of the biggest shops in the sea fishing market started doing it last year. Another problem is the three months interest free credit encourages people useless with their finances to buy what they really can't afford as I know someone who bought three rods at £1500 on three months interest free only to be made redundant two weeks later and sold them on used once for a grand so he could pay the mortgage.