In reply to Post #27
And yet there is a popular school of thought that bait boats are cheating, but actually taking your baits out with a full sized boat is down to skill.
I mean, you can literally motor out to a spot, look at it, prod the bottom, bait up, drop your hookbaits perfectly on top then row back to shore. Get a bite, jump in the boat, motor out above the fish so it can't get snagged anywhere then reel it in and net it.
I don't get it.
And yet there is a popular school of thought that bait boats are cheating, but actually taking your baits out with a full sized boat is down to skill.
I mean, you can literally motor out to a spot, look at it, prod the bottom, bait up, drop your hookbaits perfectly on top then row back to shore. Get a bite, jump in the boat, motor out above the fish so it can't get snagged anywhere then reel it in and net it.
I don't get it.
In reply to Post #29
5. As I don't do social media or publicise my catches, in fact totally the opposite, then as long as I enjoy my hobby as no one else is involved who's to upset?. I very rarely see many people on my lake. It's just me and my little toy boat.
Your doing social media now or is carp forum like baitboat caught fish and don't really count
5. As I don't do social media or publicise my catches, in fact totally the opposite, then as long as I enjoy my hobby as no one else is involved who's to upset?. I very rarely see many people on my lake. It's just me and my little toy boat.
Your doing social media now or is carp forum like baitboat caught fish and don't really count
I think that the use of bait boats makes the fish harder to catch for everyone. If the fish cannot get sanctuary then they will become more cautious. Especially true on waters where the fish are not dependent on anglers bait.
I fish a couple of waters where boat use is allowed, one of which people just send it beyond casting range. The other for no discernible benefit, longest cast is 11 wraps, but not many people use them and those that do use them sensibly so I don't care.
Disclaimer: I've used a boat in France (cos it doesn't count) and I love using a baiting pole.
I fish a couple of waters where boat use is allowed, one of which people just send it beyond casting range. The other for no discernible benefit, longest cast is 11 wraps, but not many people use them and those that do use them sensibly so I don't care.
Disclaimer: I've used a boat in France (cos it doesn't count) and I love using a baiting pole.
In reply to Post #46
And yet there is a popular school of thought that bait boats are cheating, but actually taking your baits out with a full sized boat is down to skill.
I mean, you can literally motor out to a spot, look at it, prod the bottom, bait up, drop your hookbaits perfectly on top then row back to shore. Get a bite, jump in the boat, motor out above the fish so it can't get snagged anywhere then reel it in and net it.
Then try doing it in anything more than 10mph wind while holding your position and checking the bottom then putting your bait out over that spot or small area you've selected and not over the length of the lake looking up after a few seconds to find yourself drifting way off the area then lower your rig onto the baited area and getting back to the bank in a straight line so you haven't got twice as much out as the direct pull, if your lucky enough to get a pickup and it's a decent one that takes you where it wants to go and not where you want it to go try getting out to it in a reasonable wind and expect it to sit where you hooked it without wrapping one of your other lines in the prop, the minute you get in a boat your at a disadvantage as you've got no anchor point there is a way to make them sit near where you've hooked them that works more often than not but I'm sure you know how to do that as it's simple with no skill at all required.
Generally any inexperienced boat angler would cope on a bright sunny day without a breath of wind to a degree, you get better at it the more you do or hopefully you do thus improving your skill set I'd say it's a bit more testing than sending your bait boat out to a marked GPS location and returning to a home point now that is proper Joey Deacon angling, I've seen some doughnuts turn up at venues who have never done any boat fishing in their life and have a right mare due to their lack of knowledge, try it you might like it.
And yet there is a popular school of thought that bait boats are cheating, but actually taking your baits out with a full sized boat is down to skill.
I mean, you can literally motor out to a spot, look at it, prod the bottom, bait up, drop your hookbaits perfectly on top then row back to shore. Get a bite, jump in the boat, motor out above the fish so it can't get snagged anywhere then reel it in and net it.
Then try doing it in anything more than 10mph wind while holding your position and checking the bottom then putting your bait out over that spot or small area you've selected and not over the length of the lake looking up after a few seconds to find yourself drifting way off the area then lower your rig onto the baited area and getting back to the bank in a straight line so you haven't got twice as much out as the direct pull, if your lucky enough to get a pickup and it's a decent one that takes you where it wants to go and not where you want it to go try getting out to it in a reasonable wind and expect it to sit where you hooked it without wrapping one of your other lines in the prop, the minute you get in a boat your at a disadvantage as you've got no anchor point there is a way to make them sit near where you've hooked them that works more often than not but I'm sure you know how to do that as it's simple with no skill at all required.
Generally any inexperienced boat angler would cope on a bright sunny day without a breath of wind to a degree, you get better at it the more you do or hopefully you do thus improving your skill set I'd say it's a bit more testing than sending your bait boat out to a marked GPS location and returning to a home point now that is proper Joey Deacon angling, I've seen some doughnuts turn up at venues who have never done any boat fishing in their life and have a right mare due to their lack of knowledge, try it you might like it.
In reply to Post #47
I suppose that is a fair point in a way but what I was alluding to was the instagram and Facebook social media where people put up their catches for all to see, opposed to a Forum which attracts far fewer viewers and is more of a discussion group than a ‘look at Me'group. I know that the group of anglers with whom I go to France all have FB accounts but non are on here.
I suppose that is a fair point in a way but what I was alluding to was the instagram and Facebook social media where people put up their catches for all to see, opposed to a Forum which attracts far fewer viewers and is more of a discussion group than a ‘look at Me'group. I know that the group of anglers with whom I go to France all have FB accounts but non are on here.
In reply to Post #49
Totally agree. 👍
A very difficult skill to master which takes a lot of practice and even when skilled still depends on a set logical approach. Plus a third hand would be an advantage.
Totally agree. 👍
A very difficult skill to master which takes a lot of practice and even when skilled still depends on a set logical approach. Plus a third hand would be an advantage.
In reply to Post #48
. . . not strictly true . . and using a bb is not 'all' about fishing out of range / under un-castable tree canopies etc. I've also fished lake where bait boat use is prevalent (even with all spots being relatively castable) and it could be argued works against you - anglers casting with small mesh bags / singles often getting better results / hooking into 'missing' fish primarily on the basis that they are doing something different. Pressured waters the fish can get used to seeing 'atypical' bb presentations / baiting spreads and can become cautious because of it . . . .like any method its about using the right tools for the job and the situation that presents itself.
Still think there is a lot of bs about perception and hierarchies of perceived ability - was THs capture of the Burghfield Common any less 'worthy' than Greg Ellis's . . .or did they both cheat lol?
. . . not strictly true . . and using a bb is not 'all' about fishing out of range / under un-castable tree canopies etc. I've also fished lake where bait boat use is prevalent (even with all spots being relatively castable) and it could be argued works against you - anglers casting with small mesh bags / singles often getting better results / hooking into 'missing' fish primarily on the basis that they are doing something different. Pressured waters the fish can get used to seeing 'atypical' bb presentations / baiting spreads and can become cautious because of it . . . .like any method its about using the right tools for the job and the situation that presents itself.
Still think there is a lot of bs about perception and hierarchies of perceived ability - was THs capture of the Burghfield Common any less 'worthy' than Greg Ellis's . . .or did they both cheat lol?
In reply to Post #52
Not applicable in all situations, agreed, but as their use increases, I think it will continue to have an increasingly negative impact on everyone as the fish get increasingly cautious.
Not applicable in all situations, agreed, but as their use increases, I think it will continue to have an increasingly negative impact on everyone as the fish get increasingly cautious.
Is anyone doing bait boat tuitions yet?
I've been reading baitboat threads on here for over 20 years - where has all this sudden baitboat wokeness come from?
I've gone the other way - I used one for years, caught some nice fish, laughed at anyone who had anything negative to say about it - "casting takes the skill out of using a bait boat" etc
Nowadays I judge everyone on the slightest thing that could impact how credible the carp capture is.
I start with the fish being 100% credible & then I take points off - Pictures of people smiling, scaliness, bangerness, rod tips / reel handles / bobbins not level, hat wear, using groundsheets, clean tea cups, line strength, accessibility of the lake, bait boats (obviously), drones, time of year, distance from rods, wicker basket, ronnie rig, what they're wearing, what football team they support etc - I have a massive list that I go through before I can assign them a final CARP - Credit, Acceptance, Ranking & Proficiency score which decides on whether a capture deserves appreciation & acceptance from me - I can tell you now - not many make it!
It's all in my head - but it's a lot of fun & certainly takes up a lot more of my thoughts than not giving a fvck & being happy for everyone.
I've been reading baitboat threads on here for over 20 years - where has all this sudden baitboat wokeness come from?
I've gone the other way - I used one for years, caught some nice fish, laughed at anyone who had anything negative to say about it - "casting takes the skill out of using a bait boat" etc
Nowadays I judge everyone on the slightest thing that could impact how credible the carp capture is.
I start with the fish being 100% credible & then I take points off - Pictures of people smiling, scaliness, bangerness, rod tips / reel handles / bobbins not level, hat wear, using groundsheets, clean tea cups, line strength, accessibility of the lake, bait boats (obviously), drones, time of year, distance from rods, wicker basket, ronnie rig, what they're wearing, what football team they support etc - I have a massive list that I go through before I can assign them a final CARP - Credit, Acceptance, Ranking & Proficiency score which decides on whether a capture deserves appreciation & acceptance from me - I can tell you now - not many make it!
It's all in my head - but it's a lot of fun & certainly takes up a lot more of my thoughts than not giving a fvck & being happy for everyone.
In reply to Post #50
Sorry I was just being a smart ass, been on here long enough to know your not a social media whore with the look at me look what I caught brigade. Agree there is skill involved in using both boat types properly. How anyone fishes doesn't bother me so long as they aren't putting the fish or others at risk.
Sorry I was just being a smart ass, been on here long enough to know your not a social media whore with the look at me look what I caught brigade. Agree there is skill involved in using both boat types properly. How anyone fishes doesn't bother me so long as they aren't putting the fish or others at risk.
In reply to Post #55
People catching their pb's at Berners Hall.. "I was fishing all three rods on the same spot at 35 wraps in a strong wind"
🙂 🙂.. No boats mentioned.. Just say if you used a boat.
People catching their pb's at Berners Hall.. "I was fishing all three rods on the same spot at 35 wraps in a strong wind"
🙂 🙂.. No boats mentioned.. Just say if you used a boat.
It's simple, if people want to use them that's their choice. The difference for me is merit, because when people start posting pictures wanting some recognition it takes the edge of them for me 
Over the years, like most, I have seen so many circumstances where said angler would not have caught the fish without a bait boat, simply put there is no way on earth they could have put a bait there
Flip side for me is, as technology advances I really question what people take from the pastime, bait boat, sonar, camera, robot carping, personally I can see zero merit in such angling methods, near on cheating other anglers and ultimately themselves, where is the challenge
For me, a lot of it is desperation to catch because under normal circumstances a lot wouldn't
Over the years, like most, I have seen so many circumstances where said angler would not have caught the fish without a bait boat, simply put there is no way on earth they could have put a bait there
Flip side for me is, as technology advances I really question what people take from the pastime, bait boat, sonar, camera, robot carping, personally I can see zero merit in such angling methods, near on cheating other anglers and ultimately themselves, where is the challenge
For me, a lot of it is desperation to catch because under normal circumstances a lot wouldn't
I have nothing against baitboats at all. I have one and on some waters you simply cannot compete without one.
However, I have noticed more fisheries are banning them, which personally I completely agree with. I have 3 tickets at the moment, 2 ban boats, the third you can only use them to bait up with but you must cast your rod...a great rule IMO, saves hours of constant spombing!
However, I have noticed more fisheries are banning them, which personally I completely agree with. I have 3 tickets at the moment, 2 ban boats, the third you can only use them to bait up with but you must cast your rod...a great rule IMO, saves hours of constant spombing!
In reply to Post #58
I could probably accept that rule to be honest, I've not heard it before.
It allows for the fact that the primary skill in fishing is placing your baited rig in the front of the fish with a rod and line, not using a machine to do it for you. It also appeases the ‘ I would rather have a bait boat than a spodder next to me' crowd. .
I still wouldn't use one, as for me using a machine to do it for you is not fishing, but it could satisfy both sides.
I could probably accept that rule to be honest, I've not heard it before.
It allows for the fact that the primary skill in fishing is placing your baited rig in the front of the fish with a rod and line, not using a machine to do it for you. It also appeases the ‘ I would rather have a bait boat than a spodder next to me' crowd. .
I still wouldn't use one, as for me using a machine to do it for you is not fishing, but it could satisfy both sides.
In reply to Post #57
Agree with you entirely re merit , you probably like me grew up when there were no computers in our schools and I was in my late teens when the Sinclair spectrum came out and GPS was only on ocean going ships. Youngsters now grow up with this Tec and can use it almost instantly they buy it if they can afford it. Anyone with the cash and the time to research it can go on the net, watch all the instructional vlogs,buy a all singing bait boat and fish spot they could never cast to accurately or even find without the bait boat and sonar etc so a different skill set to what many of us older guys grew up with.
Agree with you entirely re merit , you probably like me grew up when there were no computers in our schools and I was in my late teens when the Sinclair spectrum came out and GPS was only on ocean going ships. Youngsters now grow up with this Tec and can use it almost instantly they buy it if they can afford it. Anyone with the cash and the time to research it can go on the net, watch all the instructional vlogs,buy a all singing bait boat and fish spot they could never cast to accurately or even find without the bait boat and sonar etc so a different skill set to what many of us older guys grew up with.