In reply to Post #26
I emailed muziker asking for the specific gravity or weight per cm3 of their weights. They weren't able to tell me. If I was making/selling alternative weights I would want to know exactly how they compared to other materials.
For ref the specific gravity of lead is usually given as 11.35. It would seem that most of the alternatives are less than 3.0.
I emailed muziker asking for the specific gravity or weight per cm3 of their weights. They weren't able to tell me. If I was making/selling alternative weights I would want to know exactly how they compared to other materials.
For ref the specific gravity of lead is usually given as 11.35. It would seem that most of the alternatives are less than 3.0.
In reply to Post #29
I don't get the problem with size of lead re density. You go abroad and fish a big still with undertow or river, and you don't think twice of using very big heavy leads. In some vids they use great big bloody rocks....the ultimate stonz :-P
Same re Barbel fishing & giant feeders.
I don't get the problem with size of lead re density. You go abroad and fish a big still with undertow or river, and you don't think twice of using very big heavy leads. In some vids they use great big bloody rocks....the ultimate stonz
:-PSame re Barbel fishing & giant feeders.
Lead by volume Rainbow lake in Hostens France would make the ultimate case study, I'm pretty sure that lake would see a small skip full on a yearly basis and since its popularity since the early 00's generally fully booked with an average of 26 anglers week in week out for 51 weeks of the year "I might be well under estimating it", not that I've ever had big big hits there but I've witnessed many a time when anglers have had a combination of 50/60 or even 100+ takes in a week be it from carp, bream, or the odd sturgeon that resides in there. I'd say an average week for most when its fishing well which is more often than not as it can be nearly as prolific in the winter periods would be circa 20 to 30nr x 12 ounce leads or by comparison 60 to 90nr x 4 oz leads 80 to 120nr x 3oz leads half or more of those being dropped due to bream pickups these days, my last visit I had 22 bream takes 5 from carp, the analysis above doesn't account for those that double lead their leaders or those that tape two leads together when theres a blow on, there cannot be many other lakes that I can think of where the toxicity can be anywhere near it, I think in comparison most UK lakes wouldn't get anywhere near in a 100 years compared to a couple at Rainbow even the likes of the linear style venues.
Doesn't make it right I know that before someone states the obvious and where and when I can as I always have especially in my normal UK angling I aim to retain the lead unless conditions/situations dictate otherwise as in fishing up to/near a snag or a weed infested lake when its top to bottom with it, I'd rather drop a lead than leave a fish possibly trailing it, if something was alternatively available, suitable and at a reasonable cost I'd have no problem switching over as I'm sure most anglers would but I'd rather not have it forced on me when it's not.
It's like the comparison to lead shot for shooting around water courses I owned a shotgun for 30 odd years and saw the transition to non toxic shot for that purpose late 90's early 00's but I'd bet money nearly all wouldn't admit that they bought a box to have a few in the pocket but carried on shooting lead around water courses due to the extra prohibitive cost and the damage to your barrels and chokes and yet air rifle pellets to this day are primarily still little lead projectiles that can be digested by the countrysides wildlife.
Doesn't make it right I know that before someone states the obvious and where and when I can as I always have especially in my normal UK angling I aim to retain the lead unless conditions/situations dictate otherwise as in fishing up to/near a snag or a weed infested lake when its top to bottom with it, I'd rather drop a lead than leave a fish possibly trailing it, if something was alternatively available, suitable and at a reasonable cost I'd have no problem switching over as I'm sure most anglers would but I'd rather not have it forced on me when it's not.
It's like the comparison to lead shot for shooting around water courses I owned a shotgun for 30 odd years and saw the transition to non toxic shot for that purpose late 90's early 00's but I'd bet money nearly all wouldn't admit that they bought a box to have a few in the pocket but carried on shooting lead around water courses due to the extra prohibitive cost and the damage to your barrels and chokes and yet air rifle pellets to this day are primarily still little lead projectiles that can be digested by the countrysides wildlife.
In reply to Post #10
Just been googling and found that tungsten is 1.7 times heavier than lead, that surprised me.
Tungsten is 30% more expensive than lead and it's melting point is much higher so inevitably tungsten is going to be more expensive.
So a move over to tungsten is possible, it's just the cost.
Tungsten is 30% more expensive than lead and it's melting point is much higher so inevitably tungsten is going to be more expensive.
So a move over to tungsten is possible, it's just the cost.
In reply to Post #32
The weight of an object in water is its weight in air minus the weight of water it dissplaces.
A 100g lead weight in water would weigh about 91.2g
A 100g weight with a SG of 3.0 would weigh about 66.67g in water
For a weight with a SG of 3.0 to weigh 100g in water it would have to weigh 150g in air.
ETA
The volume of this weight would be 50 cm3, compared to less than 9 cm3 for a lead weight.
The weight of an object in water is its weight in air minus the weight of water it dissplaces.
A 100g lead weight in water would weigh about 91.2g
A 100g weight with a SG of 3.0 would weigh about 66.67g in water
For a weight with a SG of 3.0 to weigh 100g in water it would have to weigh 150g in air.
ETA
The volume of this weight would be 50 cm3, compared to less than 9 cm3 for a lead weight.
In reply to Post #33
Quote.... yet air rifle pellets to this day are primarily still little lead projectiles that can be digested by the countrysides wildlife.
What you said there kind of proves the point so well. That's dangerous. Yet no one cares. Our 3 or 4oz lead weights are not dangerous. Every lake in the UK has loads of leads on the bottom. Is it stopping weed from growing? Is it killing wildlife? Is it holding back fish weights in Rainbow? What are the negatives after 60-70 years of lead being used as fishing weights in UK waters? Like your air rifle statement and the lead pipe drinking water analogy, there are many instances of lead being used in far worse ways than our fishing weights.
Is this someone from PETA or the like coming forwards with this? No it''s a poxy carp angler with a business, who has a vested interest in lead weights being banned. But he is playing with fire by running his mouth off to the authorities. He will bring much unneeded attention on us. What for? So he can corner the market on Stonez inside his head I'd imagine.
It's this part of the statement below which angered me. He is talking about EVERY carp fisherman in the country in that snippet below. We all use lead weights. We all have used lead clips and dropped a lead when needed. That below sounds like the school playground grass, and he seems really happy with himself about it. What a saint among carpers he is.... Ever ejected a lead to save a fish having its face ripped off in weed? He says that you're reckless if you have.
"I am also very happy to see that the recommendation in regards to purposefully ejectioning leads will be banned from 6 months of the legislation being enacted. I bought this practice to the attention of ECHA and they were, rightly so, horrified that such a reckless act was being promoted by the industry"
Quote.... yet air rifle pellets to this day are primarily still little lead projectiles that can be digested by the countrysides wildlife.
What you said there kind of proves the point so well. That's dangerous. Yet no one cares. Our 3 or 4oz lead weights are not dangerous. Every lake in the UK has loads of leads on the bottom. Is it stopping weed from growing? Is it killing wildlife? Is it holding back fish weights in Rainbow? What are the negatives after 60-70 years of lead being used as fishing weights in UK waters? Like your air rifle statement and the lead pipe drinking water analogy, there are many instances of lead being used in far worse ways than our fishing weights.
Is this someone from PETA or the like coming forwards with this? No it''s a poxy carp angler with a business, who has a vested interest in lead weights being banned. But he is playing with fire by running his mouth off to the authorities. He will bring much unneeded attention on us. What for? So he can corner the market on Stonez inside his head I'd imagine.
It's this part of the statement below which angered me. He is talking about EVERY carp fisherman in the country in that snippet below. We all use lead weights. We all have used lead clips and dropped a lead when needed. That below sounds like the school playground grass, and he seems really happy with himself about it. What a saint among carpers he is.... Ever ejected a lead to save a fish having its face ripped off in weed? He says that you're reckless if you have.
"I am also very happy to see that the recommendation in regards to purposefully ejectioning leads will be banned from 6 months of the legislation being enacted. I bought this practice to the attention of ECHA and they were, rightly so, horrified that such a reckless act was being promoted by the industry"
He posted a thread on the Institute of Fishery Management group on fb,
I replied...
Simon Pomeroy whilst you appear to be the guardian of our welfare, you are also a major beneficiary of any lead ban, and as you have a patent on the stone weight your constant pushing for a lead ban smacks of self promotion.
Any evidence from actual water samples that show an elevated lead level in lakes that have been heavily carp fished?
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I replied...
Simon Pomeroy whilst you appear to be the guardian of our welfare, you are also a major beneficiary of any lead ban, and as you have a patent on the stone weight your constant pushing for a lead ban smacks of self promotion.
Any evidence from actual water samples that show an elevated lead level in lakes that have been heavily carp fished?
LINKY POO™ https://www.facebook.com/share/p/16RrkNNPcU/
In reply to Post #38
Good man!
He has the patent on the stone weights too?
This just gets worse and worse
Good man!
He has the patent on the stone weights too?
This just gets worse and worse
In reply to Post #38
I just read all of the comments. Good, he's getting ripped to bits and people can clearly see through his absolute waffle.
After people with knowledge are telling him that lead is insoluble and asking him for raised lead levels in the water, he then starts banging on about home lead makers are the problem and children will get sick from it. Changes his story like the wind!
The bloke is an absolute waste of space. I've always looked from afar and thought similar. But today has really drove it home. He is getting dangerous now though and will bring lots of trouble to carp fishing with his new 'informer' mantra. He is playing a dangerous game for all of us.
If you need to FORCE people to buy your products, you can't cut the mustard. He does not seem to be able to accept this though. So now we get all this.
I just read all of the comments. Good, he's getting ripped to bits and people can clearly see through his absolute waffle.
After people with knowledge are telling him that lead is insoluble and asking him for raised lead levels in the water, he then starts banging on about home lead makers are the problem and children will get sick from it. Changes his story like the wind!
The bloke is an absolute waste of space. I've always looked from afar and thought similar. But today has really drove it home. He is getting dangerous now though and will bring lots of trouble to carp fishing with his new 'informer' mantra. He is playing a dangerous game for all of us.
If you need to FORCE people to buy your products, you can't cut the mustard. He does not seem to be able to accept this though. So now we get all this.
In reply to Post #27
Are the ducks more important than your own children?
What sort of ducks are you talking about and which one of my two kids?
Are the ducks more important than your own children?
What sort of ducks are you talking about and which one of my two kids?
In reply to Post #35
They're already out there in smaller sizes, I have some for drop shotting, and yes they are more expensive
They're already out there in smaller sizes, I have some for drop shotting, and yes they are more expensive
In reply to Post #1
I bought this practice to the attention of ECHA and they were, rightly so, horrified that such a reckless act was being promoted by the industry.
Fek me, genius, how many have “moaned” on about it on here before only for the clowns to say it's fine because it suits my fishing and the muppets cashing in on it and driving it £
I bought this practice to the attention of ECHA and they were, rightly so, horrified that such a reckless act was being promoted by the industry.
Fek me, genius, how many have “moaned” on about it on here before only for the clowns to say it's fine because it suits my fishing and the muppets cashing in on it and driving it £
In reply to Post #41
Tufted ducks & coots. Your eldest.
Tufted ducks & coots. Your eldest.
In reply to Post #44
Deffo my 1st born.
If you'd have gone one of those oriental ducks and child 2 well there's a debate to be had. That's the problem with the internet no specific's.
Deffo my 1st born.
If you'd have gone one of those oriental ducks and child 2 well there's a debate to be had. That's the problem with the internet no specific's.