In reply to Post #26
It's not that unusual. Where I actually live there isn't much decent carp fishing so I've always travelled some distance ( via work) to fish. Over the last 20 years the 4 syndicates I've been involved with in the North West, South East, Somerset and South West area have all allowed boats and baitboats and I haven't looked out for them specifically for this reason. All have been reasonably wild and windswept and not in any way ‘manicured' though so maybe this is the reason?
It's not that unusual. Where I actually live there isn't much decent carp fishing so I've always travelled some distance ( via work) to fish. Over the last 20 years the 4 syndicates I've been involved with in the North West, South East, Somerset and South West area have all allowed boats and baitboats and I haven't looked out for them specifically for this reason. All have been reasonably wild and windswept and not in any way ‘manicured' though so maybe this is the reason?
In reply to Post #30
Sensible reply but for me it is black and white as my option is that I shrug, I don't campaign against them, they have their place for sure - but (and thank god they are not allowed on my preferred 3 waters) they impact every angler sharing the lake. They are a substitute for effort (in my opinion) or to stretch the line of fair means.
I have caught fish via a boat - not many but a few. Why? - Because I am unable or too lazy to spod at 100 yards. I could learn, I took a Terry Edmund's lesson, but it was easier and too tempting when this holiday was with mates all using boats so my benchmark for a weeks fun was a lot lower.
You sound below to be a very capable and hard working angler, that doesn't get overly fussed by outside likes or opinions, I respect that 100%. the black and white for me is that for every responsible owner is a massive percentage of 'all costs anglers'. Top to bottom this impacts ALL anglers - everyone of us, we may not care about it, but we all like level playing fields, for me it's angling on steroids. If I see a video (what are they called these days!) of a boat being used, I'd watch it, but I don't get that same sense of awe - if someone catches the record fish on a water I know, have fished or that mates fish and the capture was via a boat - I view it differently - I just do, that's not looking down on anyone but it's just me and my personal red lines.
Everything you say - you could do without a boat and that for me is admirable - but you are not the norm and their increased use and popularity especially for those that have never learnt the basics impacts everyone - I just shudder when I hear 'you fish don't you - my mate just had a 40 out of his syndicate his boat cost him £4k......
Sensible reply but for me it is black and white as my option is that I shrug, I don't campaign against them, they have their place for sure - but (and thank god they are not allowed on my preferred 3 waters) they impact every angler sharing the lake. They are a substitute for effort (in my opinion) or to stretch the line of fair means.
I have caught fish via a boat - not many but a few. Why? - Because I am unable or too lazy to spod at 100 yards. I could learn, I took a Terry Edmund's lesson, but it was easier and too tempting when this holiday was with mates all using boats so my benchmark for a weeks fun was a lot lower.
You sound below to be a very capable and hard working angler, that doesn't get overly fussed by outside likes or opinions, I respect that 100%. the black and white for me is that for every responsible owner is a massive percentage of 'all costs anglers'. Top to bottom this impacts ALL anglers - everyone of us, we may not care about it, but we all like level playing fields, for me it's angling on steroids. If I see a video (what are they called these days!) of a boat being used, I'd watch it, but I don't get that same sense of awe - if someone catches the record fish on a water I know, have fished or that mates fish and the capture was via a boat - I view it differently - I just do, that's not looking down on anyone but it's just me and my personal red lines.
Everything you say - you could do without a boat and that for me is admirable - but you are not the norm and their increased use and popularity especially for those that have never learnt the basics impacts everyone - I just shudder when I hear 'you fish don't you - my mate just had a 40 out of his syndicate his boat cost him £4k......
In reply to Post #32
Neil has got it spot on - perfectly put!
@55's - I too have fished lakes where bb users are absolute stroke pulling tools - but then I've also fished lakes where they're banned and the same eejits are present; casting over lines / into trees / at your feet etc . . . both have been the exception (primarily day tickets) rather than the norm. Last two syndicates I've been on bboats have been allowed and on both of these waters the etiquette has been exceptional - no-one takes the p*ss; using a boat hasn't made them fish at all costs noddies overnight. . . .they're just making advantage of the rules on lakes where not having one is a massive disadvantage!
Neil has got it spot on - perfectly put!
@55's - I too have fished lakes where bb users are absolute stroke pulling tools - but then I've also fished lakes where they're banned and the same eejits are present; casting over lines / into trees / at your feet etc . . . both have been the exception (primarily day tickets) rather than the norm. Last two syndicates I've been on bboats have been allowed and on both of these waters the etiquette has been exceptional - no-one takes the p*ss; using a boat hasn't made them fish at all costs noddies overnight. . . .they're just making advantage of the rules on lakes where not having one is a massive disadvantage!
In reply to Post #27
Put superbly.
Put superbly.
In reply to Post #31
Assuming the rules allow you to bait and drop your rigs from the row boat, where is the requirement for a bait boat?
Assuming the rules allow you to bait and drop your rigs from the row boat, where is the requirement for a bait boat?
In reply to Post #27
Respect your answer Neil but would like your take on Mr Hearns capture of the Wasing fish with a boat
Respect your answer Neil but would like your take on Mr Hearns capture of the Wasing fish with a boat
Not accepted norm on my club lakes. If you can't cast it there, it's a Sanctuary for the fish.
In reply to Post #36
Was that to me matey? I'm not Neil.
Was that to me matey? I'm not Neil.
Nothing against anyone doing anything.
Unfortunately in all life now,people have lost respect for others.
The consequences of not being able to smack ya kids,**** corporal punishment and no police force.
Unfortunately in all life now,people have lost respect for others.
The consequences of not being able to smack ya kids,**** corporal punishment and no police force.
In reply to Post #35
There is another dimension that I've not mentioned because it is not a universal consideration.
My Microcat died on me so for a couple of years I didn't have a BB. No real problem as I have Bic boat as detailed below. As with most couples, my wife either didn't understand my fishing or more likely didn't bother to ask about it as it was boring. Anyway one evening the conversation got around to fishing and she was intrigued about why I had a rowing boat for fishing. I told her how I use it ( no bait boat at this time).I told her that I used it to bait up and drop rigs sometimes at ranges I couldn't cast to on a large open windswept lake. She then asked what I did if I had a fish in darkness? How did I rebait and get the hookbaits out at 250-300 mtrs in total darkness in windy stormy winters nights. I told her exactly the same - I boat them out. She was appalled that I was going out at night at nearly 70 years old and not in my prime, in a small rowing boat on a large lake which to her was a huge, in a remote location with absolutely no help at hand.. She then asked “what about the dog”. I said she comes with me ( we both have life jackets). She was absolutely speechless which is why I now have a new bait boat which I had to solemnly promise I would always use in darkness and never use the boat at night again. So that is why I have an all singing and dancing Baitboat with all the bells n whistles and features.
Baitboats are a tool but don't solve all the needs we have. A row boat and MKI eyeball solve lots of other situations as do long range rods ( mine are 12' 9”) big pit reels etc. They are not there by accident
There is another dimension that I've not mentioned because it is not a universal consideration.
My Microcat died on me so for a couple of years I didn't have a BB. No real problem as I have Bic boat as detailed below. As with most couples, my wife either didn't understand my fishing or more likely didn't bother to ask about it as it was boring. Anyway one evening the conversation got around to fishing and she was intrigued about why I had a rowing boat for fishing. I told her how I use it ( no bait boat at this time).I told her that I used it to bait up and drop rigs sometimes at ranges I couldn't cast to on a large open windswept lake. She then asked what I did if I had a fish in darkness? How did I rebait and get the hookbaits out at 250-300 mtrs in total darkness in windy stormy winters nights. I told her exactly the same - I boat them out. She was appalled that I was going out at night at nearly 70 years old and not in my prime, in a small rowing boat on a large lake which to her was a huge, in a remote location with absolutely no help at hand.. She then asked “what about the dog”. I said she comes with me ( we both have life jackets). She was absolutely speechless which is why I now have a new bait boat which I had to solemnly promise I would always use in darkness and never use the boat at night again. So that is why I have an all singing and dancing Baitboat with all the bells n whistles and features.
Baitboats are a tool but don't solve all the needs we have. A row boat and MKI eyeball solve lots of other situations as do long range rods ( mine are 12' 9”) big pit reels etc. They are not there by accident
In reply to Post #36
Hi,
I don't do a lot of the YouTube channels or fishing channels so I'm not really up to speed on Mr Hearn's capture of this fish or the surrounding details.
Sorry - not trying to sound trite but I don't know, however you have peaked my curiosity so I will look it up 👍
Hi,
I don't do a lot of the YouTube channels or fishing channels so I'm not really up to speed on Mr Hearn's capture of this fish or the surrounding details.
Sorry - not trying to sound trite but I don't know, however you have peaked my curiosity so I will look it up 👍
In reply to Post #1
Never owned one or never will.
And post 27, 100%
Never owned one or never will.
And post 27, 100%
I too have never owned a bait boat. Mainly down to the fact that all of the club and day ticket waters that I have fished don't allow them. And also most of the waters I have fished are fairly small (< 20 acres).
However, this year me and the lad have joined a syndicate, which has cost a significant amount of money. It's 80 acres, and the couple of sessions already completed it has become apparent that a bait boat would significantly improve our catch rates. Last weekend, only one swim produced and that was fishing with a BB at 200+ yds. So now in the quandary - do I buy a BB or find 'em, feed 'em and catch 'em.
At the end of the day, I will probably get one, probably next year after a year of finding, feeding and catching (hopefully). It's simple for me, if making the most of an expensive water means buying a BB, then so be it, I'll get one. Whilst I agree that fishing is about getting away from it all, unwinding, having a laugh with mates, being at one with nature and all those other lovely fluffy things, it's also about catching fish!!
Just enjoy your fishing lads, it's not worth getting worked up about!!
However, this year me and the lad have joined a syndicate, which has cost a significant amount of money. It's 80 acres, and the couple of sessions already completed it has become apparent that a bait boat would significantly improve our catch rates. Last weekend, only one swim produced and that was fishing with a BB at 200+ yds. So now in the quandary - do I buy a BB or find 'em, feed 'em and catch 'em.
At the end of the day, I will probably get one, probably next year after a year of finding, feeding and catching (hopefully). It's simple for me, if making the most of an expensive water means buying a BB, then so be it, I'll get one. Whilst I agree that fishing is about getting away from it all, unwinding, having a laugh with mates, being at one with nature and all those other lovely fluffy things, it's also about catching fish!!
Just enjoy your fishing lads, it's not worth getting worked up about!!
In reply to Post #43
Based on some of the antis on here Fred you are def now going to hell I'm afraid. . . . . or you (and your lad) can struggle for the next Xyrs on the off chance your casting improves to competition level standards . . . and feel satisfied that any captures now have 'merit' . . .
Based on some of the antis on here Fred you are def now going to hell I'm afraid. . . . . or you (and your lad) can struggle for the next Xyrs on the off chance your casting improves to competition level standards . . . and feel satisfied that any captures now have 'merit' . . .
I Just go fishing and do what morally sits right with me I dont worry what others think so long as I'm not interfering with their angling, I fish venues home and abroad that generally allow bait boats and I have owned a bait boat for near 20 years and probably used it as many times and that's been mostly out in France enjoying a holiday session with a group of mates, the dilemma do I stand there and spod/spomb 15 kilo+ of bait out for an hour or more or send the boat out three times in less than 5 minutes and get back to enjoying my holiday, I can angle all manner of ways inside of the rules be it under the tips or at distance with or without a boat, they all count in my book however I've caught them just some carry a little less merit or as memorable, I'm not ultra carpy or thick I roll my sleeves up in the winter returning a carp. 