In reply to Post #29
Fresh with paprika (or any spices) is incredibly important. Not just buying it fresh, but then keeping it fresh too, once the bag has been opened. Dried out, it loses a lot the oils. Those natural oils are so attractive. So twisting the bag up tight and adding a seal to keep all air out is important.
A bag that has sat on the local Asian supermarkets shelf for two years is crap. Only buy it from places with a high turnover supplying restaurants and the like. It's expensive on Amazon, but bloody convenient if you already have prime and always fresh.
We are lucky being based in London, we are local to suppliers with a high turnover to restaurants, at good prices. But in emergency, or even just often being lazy I've used Amazon for kg bags and it's always been fresh. Just paid a bit more.
Fresh with paprika (or any spices) is incredibly important. Not just buying it fresh, but then keeping it fresh too, once the bag has been opened. Dried out, it loses a lot the oils. Those natural oils are so attractive. So twisting the bag up tight and adding a seal to keep all air out is important.
A bag that has sat on the local Asian supermarkets shelf for two years is crap. Only buy it from places with a high turnover supplying restaurants and the like. It's expensive on Amazon, but bloody convenient if you already have prime and always fresh.
We are lucky being based in London, we are local to suppliers with a high turnover to restaurants, at good prices. But in emergency, or even just often being lazy I've used Amazon for kg bags and it's always been fresh. Just paid a bit more.
In reply to Post #28
Love it
Love it
Is smoked paprika effective aswell?
What is the % solubility of paprika? At these high levels, do we need to take this into account?
In reply to Post #33
Of course it is. Otherwise known as ‘sausage spice'.
Of course it is. Otherwise known as ‘sausage spice'.
In reply to Post #34
I would not know what the % solubility of paprika, or anything else is. I don't work like that, off anybody else's specifications.
I can tell you through practice, that you can add 25% paprika to a good solid mix and it will be fine. It will make it much more soluble, the bait will go softer, faster... But a good angler should be able to deal with that to be able to use a much more effective bait. The bait will still go out in a stick fine. It will actually roll much better and easier than without the paprika.
Roll your normal bait. Roll the same bait but add 25% paprika. When they are done. Place one of your normal bait in a glass of water. Put a paprika bait in a different glass. Put both in the fridge to simulate winter cold water. Observe what happens. Your normal bait will take a good while to fill with cold water. The water will remain pretty clear after 24 hours. The bait will likely still be firm. The oily red paprika bait will flood out its natural oil content rapidly. The oil will be replaced by water. It will flush out so much quicker. The water itself will actually turn a shade of red. You will notice a large difference with your own eyes, just looking at the water in both glass.
Carp anglers who make bait at home, are always trying to match some shop bought freezer bait. This is crazy. If you are rolling at home.... You should be looking to make a bait that is SOOOOOO much better than ANY commercially available freezer bait that's ever been made!
You are not all constrained by costs. You are only constrained by your mind, and what you have been ‘taught' by media, as carp fishing has evolved. So many bait companies do not even roll their own bait. Someone else rolls it for them. Two companies needing to make money. In the same way as a shop and a bait firm = higher expenses, = higher cost of a boilie in a shop. A home roller is doing it for themselves. Open your mind. Stop trying to replicate baits made on constraints of cost, and the need to be user friendly in a bag for some noddy. Look to make something which they cannot! Look at making something MUCH better.
A good quality paprika is around a tenner a kilo. That's 250 quid a sack in bait making terms. Bait companies cannot afford to put 25% in. Do the math.... You can though. Carp absolutely love paprika. It's super attractive to them. It also does great things to the structure of your finished bait, once it goes into the water.
I would not know what the % solubility of paprika, or anything else is. I don't work like that, off anybody else's specifications.
I can tell you through practice, that you can add 25% paprika to a good solid mix and it will be fine. It will make it much more soluble, the bait will go softer, faster... But a good angler should be able to deal with that to be able to use a much more effective bait. The bait will still go out in a stick fine. It will actually roll much better and easier than without the paprika.
Roll your normal bait. Roll the same bait but add 25% paprika. When they are done. Place one of your normal bait in a glass of water. Put a paprika bait in a different glass. Put both in the fridge to simulate winter cold water. Observe what happens. Your normal bait will take a good while to fill with cold water. The water will remain pretty clear after 24 hours. The bait will likely still be firm. The oily red paprika bait will flood out its natural oil content rapidly. The oil will be replaced by water. It will flush out so much quicker. The water itself will actually turn a shade of red. You will notice a large difference with your own eyes, just looking at the water in both glass.
Carp anglers who make bait at home, are always trying to match some shop bought freezer bait. This is crazy. If you are rolling at home.... You should be looking to make a bait that is SOOOOOO much better than ANY commercially available freezer bait that's ever been made!
You are not all constrained by costs. You are only constrained by your mind, and what you have been ‘taught' by media, as carp fishing has evolved. So many bait companies do not even roll their own bait. Someone else rolls it for them. Two companies needing to make money. In the same way as a shop and a bait firm = higher expenses, = higher cost of a boilie in a shop. A home roller is doing it for themselves. Open your mind. Stop trying to replicate baits made on constraints of cost, and the need to be user friendly in a bag for some noddy. Look to make something which they cannot! Look at making something MUCH better.
A good quality paprika is around a tenner a kilo. That's 250 quid a sack in bait making terms. Bait companies cannot afford to put 25% in. Do the math.... You can though. Carp absolutely love paprika. It's super attractive to them. It also does great things to the structure of your finished bait, once it goes into the water.
In reply to Post #35
"Carp anglers who make bait at home, are always trying to match some shop bought freezer bait."
Not sure you are right there . Some might use the base mix and liquids etc supplied by bait companies but no one I knows does that, they all source various ingredients from a wide range of suppliers to create bespoke baits nothing like the preparatory baits.
"Carp anglers who make bait at home, are always trying to match some shop bought freezer bait."
Not sure you are right there . Some might use the base mix and liquids etc supplied by bait companies but no one I knows does that, they all source various ingredients from a wide range of suppliers to create bespoke baits nothing like the preparatory baits.
In reply to Post #37
I think you may be taking that comment a bit too literally. I think he means it's more of people trying to make baits of equal quality to shop bought baits, not mimic them
I think you may be taking that comment a bit too literally. I think he means it's more of people trying to make baits of equal quality to shop bought baits, not mimic them
In reply to Post #36
Carp anglers who make bait at home, are always trying to match some shop bought freezer bait. This is crazy. If you are rolling at home.... You should be looking to make a bait that is SOOOOOO much better than ANY commercially available freezer bait that's ever been made!
So true
Carp anglers who make bait at home, are always trying to match some shop bought freezer bait. This is crazy. If you are rolling at home.... You should be looking to make a bait that is SOOOOOO much better than ANY commercially available freezer bait that's ever been made!
So true
In reply to Post #36
Carp anglers who make bait at home, are always trying to match some shop bought freezer bait.
I often for fun, try to make & match a home made bait to be very similar to a shop bought bait, just to cut through the BS, and open my through process to how little of some 'obvious or likely to be included' ingredients are in there.
Home rollers are only limited by your imagination & experimentation, budget and results.
Carp anglers who make bait at home, are always trying to match some shop bought freezer bait.
I often for fun, try to make & match a home made bait to be very similar to a shop bought bait, just to cut through the BS, and open my through process to how little of some 'obvious or likely to be included' ingredients are in there.
Home rollers are only limited by your imagination & experimentation, budget and results.
This is me not explaining myself the best.
What I should have said is.... Carp anglers who make bait at home... Are always trying to match some shop bought freezer bait IN TERMS OF RESULTS.
I did not mean match, as in replicate the bait exactly. I meant trying to create a bait at home that matches the results of a famous shop bought bait. When in reality, you can make something far better!
Example. This thread is about making something to replicate Enervite. I am telling you how to make something far better than that ever was, or ever could be.
The original Premier fish meals back in the day, contained 50% fish meals. Due to cost, virtually no commercial freezer baits these days actually contain anywhere near 50% fishmeal. If you make your own bait at home... WTF is stopping you from putting 50% of the finest blended fish meals known to man in?
Only your mind.
Geoff went that way again with HydraK. A more expensive range than previous. Not focused on any price points, but focused on absolute pure quality. Look at the results. Look at what people who buy the bait say.
If you are making it at home... You should be making something so much better than you can buy in the shops. If not, why even bother? Just buy some ready rolled and enjoy your fishing.
What I should have said is.... Carp anglers who make bait at home... Are always trying to match some shop bought freezer bait IN TERMS OF RESULTS.
I did not mean match, as in replicate the bait exactly. I meant trying to create a bait at home that matches the results of a famous shop bought bait. When in reality, you can make something far better!
Example. This thread is about making something to replicate Enervite. I am telling you how to make something far better than that ever was, or ever could be.
The original Premier fish meals back in the day, contained 50% fish meals. Due to cost, virtually no commercial freezer baits these days actually contain anywhere near 50% fishmeal. If you make your own bait at home... WTF is stopping you from putting 50% of the finest blended fish meals known to man in?
Only your mind.
Geoff went that way again with HydraK. A more expensive range than previous. Not focused on any price points, but focused on absolute pure quality. Look at the results. Look at what people who buy the bait say.
If you are making it at home... You should be making something so much better than you can buy in the shops. If not, why even bother? Just buy some ready rolled and enjoy your fishing.
In reply to Post #41
Mark, you explain things perfectly mate.
You make people think about things that they normally wouldn't ( in most cases ) little sparks and all that
Mark, you explain things perfectly mate.
You make people think about things that they normally wouldn't ( in most cases ) little sparks and all that
In reply to Post #41
If you are making it at home... You should be making something so much better than you can buy in the shops. If not, why even bother?.
100%, something I have always tried to do, mainly my own hookbaits now over pre-rolled for me, with a bit of inspiration from you, love the thinking
The last time I posted on here that my home rolled baits were around £9 per KG I can remember people quoting £2.50 lol, and I was a fool, their choice, mine were full loaded as far as I was concerned
If you are making it at home... You should be making something so much better than you can buy in the shops. If not, why even bother?.
100%, something I have always tried to do, mainly my own hookbaits now over pre-rolled for me, with a bit of inspiration from you, love the thinking
The last time I posted on here that my home rolled baits were around £9 per KG I can remember people quoting £2.50 lol, and I was a fool, their choice, mine were full loaded as far as I was concerned
Slightly off topic, but related to using high levels of Paprika.
Has anyone had a play with high levels (20%+) of turmeric?
I remember seeing a video online somewhere and the insect life was going crazy buzzing around it with very little interest for the other spices it seemed.
This has always stuck with me as nature usually has a way of letting us know what's good!
Can anyone add anything to this??
Has anyone had a play with high levels (20%+) of turmeric?
I remember seeing a video online somewhere and the insect life was going crazy buzzing around it with very little interest for the other spices it seemed.
This has always stuck with me as nature usually has a way of letting us know what's good!
Can anyone add anything to this??
In reply to Post #44
I use to roll a bait with 100g of tumeric and 25g of black pepper and that caught really well. I've only used paprika upto 100g per kg so far. I rate it highly but I do like a mix of yeast and paprika
I use to roll a bait with 100g of tumeric and 25g of black pepper and that caught really well. I've only used paprika upto 100g per kg so far. I rate it highly but I do like a mix of yeast and paprika