In reply to Post #27
Because without more people fishing the industry will die, tackle shops will go under and there won't be a sport to protect
Because without more people fishing the industry will die, tackle shops will go under and there won't be a sport to protect
In reply to Post #28
Completely agree. I stay away from the busier commercial waters, however if they keep people happy and keep money in the sport it can only be good
Completely agree. I stay away from the busier commercial waters, however if they keep people happy and keep money in the sport it can only be good
In reply to Post #28
I think we have enough anglers already.
By the way the angling trade advertises it seems to me that many of the new anglers coming onto to the scene are attracted more to the gadgets and technology side rather than just wetting a line.
More well run fisheries with less emphasis on profit sounds great but if you're going to limit the numbers fishing them you're gonna helluva lot of them.
In reply to Post #31
I can live without tackle shops
I think we have enough anglers already.
By the way the angling trade advertises it seems to me that many of the new anglers coming onto to the scene are attracted more to the gadgets and technology side rather than just wetting a line.
More well run fisheries with less emphasis on profit sounds great but if you're going to limit the numbers fishing them you're gonna helluva lot of them.
In reply to Post #31
I can live without tackle shops
In reply to Post #1
Watched it during my day's off this week and really liked it, much as people have said he is quite entertaining in his own unforced way. Good story and great result.
I also noticed that the way it was edited was not what has become the usual way for Nash (DnB, laddish etc) also the video from where Allan & Samir fished Ornella was in shot in a similar way and i really enjoyed that one too.
Watched it during my day's off this week and really liked it, much as people have said he is quite entertaining in his own unforced way. Good story and great result.
I also noticed that the way it was edited was not what has become the usual way for Nash (DnB, laddish etc) also the video from where Allan & Samir fished Ornella was in shot in a similar way and i really enjoyed that one too.
In reply to Post #33
I would agree with much of your post, there was a time when youngsters started fishing in streams,local ponds and rivers, either with a fishing father, or grandfather,
skills were taught, and learnt[if you paid attention] and your knowledge and your small amount of watercraft aided your progress and your successes.
by the time you progressed onto the more sought after waters you had at the very least some idea of how to conduct yourself around other more experienced anglers.
some learned quicker than others, mainly through being able to turn simple observations into successful catches, people like T, Hearn, Ritchie mac, Hutchie to name but a few, came along just at the beginning of the rise in all forms of media, carp comics were on every newsagents shelf, videos,dvd,s, youtube, celebrity anglers, mainstream tv programs,etc,etc, it accelerated at a phenomenal rate to the point it is now, with the marketing of to be fair useless extortionately priced junk that does nothing but line the sellers pockets.
it may well attract more and more to angling, usually directly to carp fishing.
but far fewer seem to have taken that long learning route, having been lulled into thinking if they have the same gear, clothing, baits, and access to the same waters surely they must be as successful, a few will learn the watercraft from that moment by watching the water, learning fish movements, weather and its effects, temperatures,et al.
others will sit in the [insert latest £1000 must have bivvy here] surrounded with the latest useless gadgets, playing computer games, and movies,with a spliff in hand totally oblivious to the outside world until that expensive delkim sounds, that's it you did it,, and all you needed was the same sunglasses as your latest hero.
those that give up and learn nothing put the gear on ebay, gumtree, and there's plenty more willing to give it a try,,, for a while anyway.
angling,, starts as a hobby, becomes a business, ends up a racket.
apologies to all the real anglers out there, you know who you are.
I would agree with much of your post, there was a time when youngsters started fishing in streams,local ponds and rivers, either with a fishing father, or grandfather,
skills were taught, and learnt[if you paid attention] and your knowledge and your small amount of watercraft aided your progress and your successes.
by the time you progressed onto the more sought after waters you had at the very least some idea of how to conduct yourself around other more experienced anglers.
some learned quicker than others, mainly through being able to turn simple observations into successful catches, people like T, Hearn, Ritchie mac, Hutchie to name but a few, came along just at the beginning of the rise in all forms of media, carp comics were on every newsagents shelf, videos,dvd,s, youtube, celebrity anglers, mainstream tv programs,etc,etc, it accelerated at a phenomenal rate to the point it is now, with the marketing of to be fair useless extortionately priced junk that does nothing but line the sellers pockets.
it may well attract more and more to angling, usually directly to carp fishing.
but far fewer seem to have taken that long learning route, having been lulled into thinking if they have the same gear, clothing, baits, and access to the same waters surely they must be as successful, a few will learn the watercraft from that moment by watching the water, learning fish movements, weather and its effects, temperatures,et al.
others will sit in the [insert latest £1000 must have bivvy here] surrounded with the latest useless gadgets, playing computer games, and movies,with a spliff in hand totally oblivious to the outside world until that expensive delkim sounds, that's it you did it,, and all you needed was the same sunglasses as your latest hero.
those that give up and learn nothing put the gear on ebay, gumtree, and there's plenty more willing to give it a try,,, for a while anyway.
angling,, starts as a hobby, becomes a business, ends up a racket.
apologies to all the real anglers out there, you know who you are.
I really enjoyed this film. Nice to see the lad not be put off by his own preconceptions of 'what might happen' and to get the big 1 at the end, hats off to him 
Quite a few folks were fishing the quays in Manchester way back in the late 90's/early 0's my preconceptions prevented me, I couldn't have relaxed. Bet its a different place nowadays with all the residential flats.
Quite a few folks were fishing the quays in Manchester way back in the late 90's/early 0's my preconceptions prevented me, I couldn't have relaxed. Bet its a different place nowadays with all the residential flats.
In reply to Post #35
Youngsters don't get the same opportunities that many of us used to get when we started angling many moons ago.
There's a void where a plethora of decent, open access waters used to be. Most venues are sewn up, expensive syndicates or clubs that are rammed out, or appalling day ticket venues that'd be better off getting back filled.
I don't know what the answer is, but what is true is this - times have changed. The sport has moved on, as everything does. If you're participating and enjoying it, then that's pretty much job done for most.
Good luck to anyone who can afford £1,000 tickets and sit in solitude throughout the year, practice watercraft and actually have the option to move if you see a fish show elsewhere! However, that's out of reach for most, so people tend to just make the best of what is available. It's the angling industry that has brought us to this point, not the anglers themselves.
Youngsters don't get the same opportunities that many of us used to get when we started angling many moons ago.
There's a void where a plethora of decent, open access waters used to be. Most venues are sewn up, expensive syndicates or clubs that are rammed out, or appalling day ticket venues that'd be better off getting back filled.
I don't know what the answer is, but what is true is this - times have changed. The sport has moved on, as everything does. If you're participating and enjoying it, then that's pretty much job done for most.
Good luck to anyone who can afford £1,000 tickets and sit in solitude throughout the year, practice watercraft and actually have the option to move if you see a fish show elsewhere! However, that's out of reach for most, so people tend to just make the best of what is available. It's the angling industry that has brought us to this point, not the anglers themselves.
In reply to Post #37
The writing was on the wall long ago, even the innovators feared for the future.
“Many years ago, I predicted that my discoveries would change fishing dramatically... I don't think that everything has been for the good. I cannot see that catching more fish automatically means more pleasure. In the mid-60s half a dozen doubles in a season was excellent going. The pleasure of each fish was phenomenal. I think much of the pleasure of individual fish has now gone and that is a great loss. If you combine deadly efficient baits with advanced techniques... fish have no sanctuary at all. This is all a loss not only to the fish but also to the angler. The mystery is lost and the pleasure is diminished. Youngsters have lost all the pleasure of learning and catching small fish first - they go straight in at the top with big fish. They have lost all the pleasure of building up to this pinnacle. I can only see this deteriorating further as there is more leisure, more pressure and better tackle and baits. This is not the sort of fishing I want... a gloomy picture of the future is easy to paint.”
Fred Wilton.
[taken from an edp article ]
The writing was on the wall long ago, even the innovators feared for the future.
“Many years ago, I predicted that my discoveries would change fishing dramatically... I don't think that everything has been for the good. I cannot see that catching more fish automatically means more pleasure. In the mid-60s half a dozen doubles in a season was excellent going. The pleasure of each fish was phenomenal. I think much of the pleasure of individual fish has now gone and that is a great loss. If you combine deadly efficient baits with advanced techniques... fish have no sanctuary at all. This is all a loss not only to the fish but also to the angler. The mystery is lost and the pleasure is diminished. Youngsters have lost all the pleasure of learning and catching small fish first - they go straight in at the top with big fish. They have lost all the pleasure of building up to this pinnacle. I can only see this deteriorating further as there is more leisure, more pressure and better tackle and baits. This is not the sort of fishing I want... a gloomy picture of the future is easy to paint.”
Fred Wilton.
[taken from an edp article ]
In reply to Post #37
I think the issue is two fold at the moment. Overall, less anglers out there fishing, I think that's what licence stats tell us. But...those who are fishing particularly the younglings are almost all gravitating towards carp fishing. Despite being quite well connected waters wise, I won't be encouraging my 10 year old to take up carp fishing, which is a bit sad. Other species yes, as there are more opportunities and less BS.
I think the issue is two fold at the moment. Overall, less anglers out there fishing, I think that's what licence stats tell us. But...those who are fishing particularly the younglings are almost all gravitating towards carp fishing. Despite being quite well connected waters wise, I won't be encouraging my 10 year old to take up carp fishing, which is a bit sad. Other species yes, as there are more opportunities and less BS.
I really enjoyed Jacobs videos,I'd imagine a lot of painstaking editing goes into these videos..
To be honest I'd be crapping myself fishing those sort of places,I'm much more at home in the relatively quiet places I do go to..
Where I live there are three small lakes,there is only one lad I notice locally who goes there to fish sometimes,most of the youngsters you only see getting of the school bus, then they disappear, not doubt on computers ,or gaming ..you won't see them on push bikes or out n about..to me that's a crying shame ,all the lovely countryside, some of the best around,and they would rather stay at home...
The petty vandalism that some of them get involved in i,s something else,they say they are bored...lol,...there is no answer..
I know one thing,there's a few carpers locally ,all bait boat and nash subterfuge boys,they not what I'd describe a real angler,they not time served carpers ,who have served a small fish apprenticeship, and none of them float fish or do traditional course fishing,...
The way my wife describes it now ,it the countryside is urbanised, it wasn't like this 10 years ago..
To be honest I'd be crapping myself fishing those sort of places,I'm much more at home in the relatively quiet places I do go to..
Where I live there are three small lakes,there is only one lad I notice locally who goes there to fish sometimes,most of the youngsters you only see getting of the school bus, then they disappear, not doubt on computers ,or gaming ..you won't see them on push bikes or out n about..to me that's a crying shame ,all the lovely countryside, some of the best around,and they would rather stay at home...
The petty vandalism that some of them get involved in i,s something else,they say they are bored...lol,...there is no answer..
I know one thing,there's a few carpers locally ,all bait boat and nash subterfuge boys,they not what I'd describe a real angler,they not time served carpers ,who have served a small fish apprenticeship, and none of them float fish or do traditional course fishing,...
The way my wife describes it now ,it the countryside is urbanised, it wasn't like this 10 years ago..
Most of these videos all have one thing in common, they are very carefully and skillfully edited, we only see the finished product, the seemingly effortless successes, I dare say Terry Hearn along with many others has blanked in the past, or spooked an unseen fish or two while stalking, and thought about how to change that and become more successful, that's what sets them apart, because they analyse, learn from their experiences, good and bad.
ESP, Nash, Korda, et al, are all trying to promote the products they sell, and show that they work, for that to happen certain parameters come into play. the focus is on the one angler and way the product aids the success
Imagine trying to film anything on a local water, full of weed smoking noddys casting all over the swims, shouting and flashing bloody great lamps all over the show, with their multitude of mates at pub chucking out time,who aren't even fishing, It would be an eye opener for some, entertaining even for a few [especially those of similar mindset]
picking up a carp rod does not make you a carp angler, anymore than picking up a guitar makes you a musician.
I'll watch Terry Hearn, and any other serious successful angler every time, for me it's not just entertainment or educational, [but we're never too old to learn new tricks or methods]
but it's a window into a secluded, quieter, and ultimately more satisfying kind of fishing that I and I suspect many would dearly love to return to.
ESP, Nash, Korda, et al, are all trying to promote the products they sell, and show that they work, for that to happen certain parameters come into play. the focus is on the one angler and way the product aids the success
Imagine trying to film anything on a local water, full of weed smoking noddys casting all over the swims, shouting and flashing bloody great lamps all over the show, with their multitude of mates at pub chucking out time,who aren't even fishing, It would be an eye opener for some, entertaining even for a few [especially those of similar mindset]
picking up a carp rod does not make you a carp angler, anymore than picking up a guitar makes you a musician.
I'll watch Terry Hearn, and any other serious successful angler every time, for me it's not just entertainment or educational, [but we're never too old to learn new tricks or methods]
but it's a window into a secluded, quieter, and ultimately more satisfying kind of fishing that I and I suspect many would dearly love to return to.