In reply to Post #28
A flawed set up that has literally caught millions of fish??
A flawed set up that has literally caught millions of fish??
In reply to Post #31
In the massive majority of cases there is absolutely NO NEED to drop the lead.
The lead clip was invented as a way to remove the lead at the end of a trip, and leave the rods otherwise set up, NOT as a way to drop the lead.
However careful, clever or irresponsible marketing...
Invent an item of tackle, or reinvent it. A quick link on a John Roberts bead, run ring does the same.
A very good point has been made in this thread, inline leads, give the best hooking potential, and are far superior to lead clips, (and helicopter setups). Inlines also do not trap weed, they will come through smoothly, whereas a lead clip can catch up.
The lead clip was invented as a way to remove the lead at the end of a trip, and leave the rods otherwise set up, NOT as a way to drop the lead.
However careful, clever or irresponsible marketing...
Invent an item of tackle, or reinvent it. A quick link on a John Roberts bead, run ring does the same.
A very good point has been made in this thread, inline leads, give the best hooking potential, and are far superior to lead clips, (and helicopter setups). Inlines also do not trap weed, they will come through smoothly, whereas a lead clip can catch up.
In reply to Post #31
No denying it's caught a lot of fish but look at the mechanics of it as pointed out. It's massively popular because it works but not as well as an in-line, add in the media telling everyone you have to drop the lead and the fact its simple to use and carp anglers in general being lazy.
No denying it's caught a lot of fish but look at the mechanics of it as pointed out. It's massively popular because it works but not as well as an in-line, add in the media telling everyone you have to drop the lead and the fact its simple to use and carp anglers in general being lazy.
In reply to Post #33
I've also seen inlines jammed up with weed and clog the tip ring. There isn't a perfect set up for weed it's up to the angler to fish a responsible as possible.
I've also seen inlines jammed up with weed and clog the tip ring. There isn't a perfect set up for weed it's up to the angler to fish a responsible as possible.
In reply to Post #33
Didn't korda do a test in their underwater 2 that saw a diver kite an in-line lead to the near margin without a single bleep on the alarm or movement on the bobbin?
All lead arrangements offer something different. Inlines for example are pants to fish in to silt. Running rigs offer the best bite indication, helis for chod, silt or weed, etc.
Didn't korda do a test in their underwater 2 that saw a diver kite an in-line lead to the near margin without a single bleep on the alarm or movement on the bobbin?
All lead arrangements offer something different. Inlines for example are pants to fish in to silt. Running rigs offer the best bite indication, helis for chod, silt or weed, etc.
In reply to Post #33
An line lead doesn't collect silk weed? That's simply not true Nick.
An line lead doesn't collect silk weed? That's simply not true Nick.
In reply to Post #36
I remember seeing a similar video but im not sure it was by Korda, anyway, the best indication was from a running inline set up. Lead stays where it is and the fish takes line, the carp cant use the lead to shake the hook out either and you get instant feedback on the buzzer. Yet you never see anyone using these set ups .....well.......you dont see the the mainstream lot using them anyways. 😉
I remember seeing a similar video but im not sure it was by Korda, anyway, the best indication was from a running inline set up. Lead stays where it is and the fish takes line, the carp cant use the lead to shake the hook out either and you get instant feedback on the buzzer. Yet you never see anyone using these set ups .....well.......you dont see the the mainstream lot using them anyways. 😉
In reply to Post #38
I only ever use a very basic running lead. Granted I'm not fishing Cassien for 90 lb monsters, but I've always used the simplest set up and I do as well as anyone else on the waters I fish.
And I save a lot of money on leads because I am not incredibly wealthy with a need to show it off
I only ever use a very basic running lead. Granted I'm not fishing Cassien for 90 lb monsters, but I've always used the simplest set up and I do as well as anyone else on the waters I fish.
And I save a lot of money on leads because I am not incredibly wealthy with a need to show it off
In reply to Post #36
I Didn't korda do a test in their underwater 2 that saw a diver kite an in-line lead to the near margin without a single bleep on the alarm or movement on the bobbin?
Nothing new at all that, I know a very good angler who told me that years ago, went for the margins, not a single bleep, then went then for an island, way to his LHS side then he landed it
Always original, or is it scrapping the barrel now ffs
Simple really ain't it, sign up a TOP a angler who has the respect (DP) and the rest you could say is history...
I Didn't korda do a test in their underwater 2 that saw a diver kite an in-line lead to the near margin without a single bleep on the alarm or movement on the bobbin?
Nothing new at all that, I know a very good angler who told me that years ago, went for the margins, not a single bleep, then went then for an island, way to his LHS side then he landed it
Always original, or is it scrapping the barrel now ffs
Simple really ain't it, sign up a TOP a angler who has the respect (DP) and the rest you could say is history...
In reply to Post #41
There was this bloke in Essex who seamed to have lead designs 10 years before you see them in the shops, he was a friend of a friend, we go round his house he shows us stuff light years ahead
There was this bloke in Essex who seamed to have lead designs 10 years before you see them in the shops, he was a friend of a friend, we go round his house he shows us stuff light years ahead
In reply to Post #7
Tried to give that some thought once and gave up people using single leads from 4oz to 12oz mostly the upper range then you have those double leading then the amount of boats that have tipped over and sent a 12 volt 110ah lead acid battery to the depths and I've witnessed a few do that so who knows how many times that has happened.
A very conservative estimate but say potentially twenty of the twenty four anglers a week are dropping 4 x 12oz leads each (one a rod) over 51 weeks that alone is 4'080 x 12 ounce leads which is just under 1400 kilo, then consider some anglers will drop 4 leads in an hour when bream are active.
When you put that into context which in my opinion is way way way way way under what is being dropped then account for year in year out anglers have been visiting Rainbow from early mid 90's but then say from about 2000 when Rainbow became very popular you could say it has seen a minimum of 20/22 anglers a week on average I've been on when theres been three anglers in a swim.
How many six yard skips would you have filled by now? makes the mind boggle yet you try finding a lead in there you'd be hard pushed, theres a few very popular areas like the golden bush spot in peg 18 as an example you might find a few.
Tried to give that some thought once and gave up people using single leads from 4oz to 12oz mostly the upper range then you have those double leading then the amount of boats that have tipped over and sent a 12 volt 110ah lead acid battery to the depths and I've witnessed a few do that so who knows how many times that has happened.
A very conservative estimate but say potentially twenty of the twenty four anglers a week are dropping 4 x 12oz leads each (one a rod) over 51 weeks that alone is 4'080 x 12 ounce leads which is just under 1400 kilo, then consider some anglers will drop 4 leads in an hour when bream are active.
When you put that into context which in my opinion is way way way way way under what is being dropped then account for year in year out anglers have been visiting Rainbow from early mid 90's but then say from about 2000 when Rainbow became very popular you could say it has seen a minimum of 20/22 anglers a week on average I've been on when theres been three anglers in a swim.
How many six yard skips would you have filled by now? makes the mind boggle yet you try finding a lead in there you'd be hard pushed, theres a few very popular areas like the golden bush spot in peg 18 as an example you might find a few.
Rob Hughes does a fair bit of diving and he says he very rarely finds any leads.
I don't agree with dropping leads for the sake of it but, as far as leads being toxic aren't the vast majority plastic coated or painted. There's no comparison to lead pipes which have running water through them. Plastic coated leads on the lakebed covered in silt are very unlikely to cause any harm to the water quality.
I don't agree with dropping leads for the sake of it but, as far as leads being toxic aren't the vast majority plastic coated or painted. There's no comparison to lead pipes which have running water through them. Plastic coated leads on the lakebed covered in silt are very unlikely to cause any harm to the water quality.
In reply to Post #45
There is a lead fairy
There is a lead fairy